X1900XTX clock speeds.... Confusing!!!

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

I've had my X1900XTX for about a week now, and I've played with ATI Tool, ATI Tray Tools, and the Catalyst program and came to realize my card seems to be underclocked.

The specs on the card (It's the built-by-ATI one) are a 650 MHz core and a 775 MHz memory (1550 MHz effective). But my hardware profiles report my speeds to be only 500/600, not anywhere near 650/775. In fact, using ATI Tool I couldn't even get my core speed to 620 without crashing; while my memory I could get up to about 800.

It seems like I can't OC my card to even stock settings? Am I missing something? Why am I so far below spec?

ALso... ran 3dMark05 with the 500/600 and scored 11680. With 600/800 I scored only 3 higher... 11683. Both runs done with identical settings across the board except clocks of course.

Figuring ATI Tool didn't OC right because of these results, I used the Catalyst program. But that's even more convoluted. It lets me set "requested" clock speeds but the current speeds never change! What's up with that?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

that could be the 2D speed

to reduce heat when not gaming etc, they have a 2D mode setting, that usualy A)drops the clocks and B) drops the volts so that the card uses less power when your not gaming.

try downloading an running this


http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/

and see what your core speeds doing while thats running

also dont run 3dmark 05. with these new cards being so powerful, 05 is actually limited by the CPU. i have a A64 at 2.5Ghz and i score 11500 with my 7800GT's in SLI (7800Gt SLI is roughly equal to the X1900XTX and our cpu's are very closely matched so you are scoring correctly)

with a stock CPU i scored only 9500-10000

but the fact your score isnt changing, says to me that all youve adjusted is the 2d speed. and when u run 3d mark 05, its still jumping back to stock 3d clocks of 650/775

 

[AzNPinkTuv]

2d speeds.. kill ati2evxx or what ever that crap is and it will be fine...

also search is your friend

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

I will give that program a shot when I get home today. Previously I ran Oblivion in windowed mode so I could Alt-Tab to my control panel to check my clock speeds, and they never moved from 500/600. I have no idea if they actually to raise themselves or not while in full-screen because I can't seem to alt-tab out in that case. Granted the game runs just fine... no slowdowns or FPS below 30 anywhere, but I still want to be sure my card is working at it's rated speeds or beyond.

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

Originally posted by: AzNPinkTuv
2d speeds.. kill ati2evxx or what ever that crap is and it will be fine...

also search is your friend

I tried searching but didn't find sh!t. At least, I didn't find any sh!t close enough to what I was looking for. So this ati2evxx program... is that what causes the switching from 2D to 3D? Would this be in the Task Manager processes list?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: AzNPinkTuv
2d speeds.. kill ati2evxx or what ever that crap is and it will be fine...

also search is your friend

I tried searching but didn't find sh!t. At least, I didn't find any sh!t close enough to what I was looking for. So this ati2evxx program... is that what causes the switching from 2D to 3D? Would this be in the Task Manager processes list?

Yes it would be, on the second tab under 'Processes' .

But why would you want to kill it? To have the card run hot all of the time? It switches to full speed in 3d mode.

 

[Munky]

There's no need to disable the ati2evxx process unless you plan to overclock the card. When in 3d mode it automatically jumps to full speed.

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

Originally posted by: munky
There's no need to disable the ati2evxx process unless you plan to overclock the card. When in 3d mode it automatically jumps to full speed.

But is there a way to verify this? Do I just need to take ATI's word that this happens?

I don't know why but I have a hard time trusting it.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: munky
There's no need to disable the ati2evxx process unless you plan to overclock the card. When in 3d mode it automatically jumps to full speed.

But is there a way to verify this? Do I just need to take ATI's word that this happens?

I don't know why but I have a hard time trusting it.

Then run 3dmark to determine your baseline reference, and then disable the service and run 3dmark again. With the service disabled, your card will be in 2d mode all the time, so your score will be lower. Then you could even manually OC it to spec 3d speeds, and see if your score in 3dmark matches your first score.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: munky
There's no need to disable the ati2evxx process unless you plan to overclock the card. When in 3d mode it automatically jumps to full speed.

But is there a way to verify this? Do I just need to take ATI's word that this happens?

I don't know why but I have a hard time trusting it.

Then run 3dmark to determine your baseline reference, and then disable the service and run 3dmark again. With the service disabled, your card will be in 2d mode all the time, so your score will be lower. Then you could even manually OC it to spec 3d speeds, and see if your score in 3dmark matches your first score.

with that RTHDRIBL he can run that in a window, and easily check.....so quick

 

[NoDamage]

ATITool is kind of tricky to set up initially because by default it doesn't have a 3D profile and doesn't automatically change the voltages for you. So when you try to overclock at only 1.175V, it is going to error out very quickly. Here's what you need to do to get it working properly:

This is assuming you have ATITool .25 Beta 14.
Create two new profiles: 2D Mode and 3D Mode
For 2D Mode, set the clocks to 500/600, and set the VGPU to 1.175V. The other voltages can be left at their default values (MVDDC 2.086V, MVDDQ 2.086V, VDDCI 1.486V), as they don't change from 2D Mode to 3D Mode.
For 3D Mode, set the clocks to 650/775, and set the VGPU to 1.425V.
Set ATITool to load the 2D Mode profile every time it is launched.
Set ATITool to load the 3D Mode profile when you run a game, and then load the 2D Profile when you exit the game.
If you want, you can also change the fan speeds between 2D and 3D profiles.
Then if you want to check your clock speeds, alt-tabbing out of a game and looking at ATITool should work. You can also check the ATITool log afterwards cause it records clock speed transitions.

 

[Fistandantilis]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: munky
There's no need to disable the ati2evxx process unless you plan to overclock the card. When in 3d mode it automatically jumps to full speed.

But is there a way to verify this? Do I just need to take ATI's word that this happens?

I don't know why but I have a hard time trusting it.

Then run 3dmark to determine your baseline reference, and then disable the service and run 3dmark again. With the service disabled, your card will be in 2d mode all the time, so your score will be lower. Then you could even manually OC it to spec 3d speeds, and see if your score in 3dmark matches your first score.

with that RTHDRIBL he can run that in a window, and easily check.....so quick

no it is not that easy, he would have to run it full screen for it to change the clkocks, I tried it earlier.
DL rivatuner and unlock it to recognize your card as being of the 520 series GPU, then run it in the background whilst you run a full screen 3d app, after a few minutes of that you can close the 3d app and check to see what rivatuner says for your clocks.

 

[BassBomb]

basically, dont bother oc' 2d speeds its just for Windows
oc the 3d speed

cards jump from 2d speed right to 3d when u go into a 3d program ( like when i go from windows, to opening 3dsmax my clocks jump from 300/1000 to 525/1050 )

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: NoDamage
ATITool is kind of tricky to set up initially because by default it doesn't have a 3D profile and doesn't automatically change the voltages for you. So when you try to overclock at only 1.175V, it is going to error out very quickly. Here's what you need to do to get it working properly:

This is assuming you have ATITool .25 Beta 14.
Create two new profiles: 2D Mode and 3D Mode
For 2D Mode, set the clocks to 500/600, and set the VGPU to 1.175V. The other voltages can be left at their default values (MVDDC 2.086V, MVDDQ 2.086V, VDDCI 1.486V), as they don't change from 2D Mode to 3D Mode.
For 3D Mode, set the clocks to 650/775, and set the VGPU to 1.425V.
Set ATITool to load the 2D Mode profile every time it is launched.
Set ATITool to load the 3D Mode profile when you run a game, and then load the 2D Profile when you exit the game.
If you want, you can also change the fan speeds between 2D and 3D profiles.
Then if you want to check your clock speeds, alt-tabbing out of a game and looking at ATITool should work. You can also check the ATITool log afte]Norwards cause it records clock speed transitions.

Note, if you're worried about heat/power issues, I'm able to run my XTX in 3D mode using only 1.35v. I can probably lower it more but haven't tried it yet. In some other forums, some folks are able to run stock 3D speeds w/ less than 1.3volts.

 

[santz]

hey every one, does that mean tha when windows vista comes out and it will be in 3d all the time, that our vgpu clocks are going to be running at 3d speeds all the time instead of 2d speeds. that means it will be running at full power at high fan speeds all the time,

we might have to think about shifting to water cooled gpus. Check this out, was just posted at anandtech today-

Water cooled Saphire Blizzard x1900xtx---

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2737&p=3

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Fistandantilis

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: munky
There's no need to disable the ati2evxx process unless you plan to overclock the card. When in 3d mode it automatically jumps to full speed.

But is there a way to verify this? Do I just need to take ATI's word that this happens?

I don't know why but I have a hard time trusting it.

Then run 3dmark to determine your baseline reference, and then disable the service and run 3dmark again. With the service disabled, your card will be in 2d mode all the time, so your score will be lower. Then you could even manually OC it to spec 3d speeds, and see if your score in 3dmark matches your first score.

with that RTHDRIBL he can run that in a window, and easily check.....so quick

no it is not that easy, he would have to run it full screen for it to change the clkocks, I tried it earlier.
DL rivatuner and unlock it to recognize your card as being of the 520 series GPU, then run it in the background whilst you run a full screen 3d app, after a few minutes of that you can close the 3d app and check to see what rivatuner says for your clocks.

never knew it was like that, even though both cases, windowed and full screen are 3d why does it only bump the speeds up when full screen only?

 

[A554SS1N]

If it can't do stock settings in 2D, how the hell is it going to do it in 3D mode - there is something up at least.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: A554SS1N
If it can't do stock settings in 2D, how the hell is it going to do it in 3D mode - there is something up at least.

Because 2d mode uses less voltages on the GPU.

Please re-read this

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Originally posted by: NoDamage
ATITool is kind of tricky to set up initially because by default it doesn't have a 3D profile and doesn't automatically change the voltages for you. So when you try to overclock at only 1.175V, it is going to error out very quickly. Here's what you need to do to get it working properly:

This is assuming you have ATITool .25 Beta 14.
Create two new profiles: 2D Mode and 3D Mode
For 2D Mode, set the clocks to 500/600, and set the VGPU to 1.175V. The other voltages can be left at their default values (MVDDC 2.086V, MVDDQ 2.086V, VDDCI 1.486V), as they don't change from 2D Mode to 3D Mode.
For 3D Mode, set the clocks to 650/775, and set the VGPU to 1.425V.
Set ATITool to load the 2D Mode profile every time it is launched.
Set ATITool to load the 3D Mode profile when you run a game, and then load the 2D Profile when you exit the game.
If you want, you can also change the fan speeds between 2D and 3D profiles.
Then if you want to check your clock speeds, alt-tabbing out of a game and looking at ATITool should work. You can also check the ATITool log afte]Norwards cause it records clock speed transitions.
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[JBT]

repost 1000x jebus christ people user search...

 

[TwisstedLogic]

I think I figured out an easy way to verify the 3D clock....if you haven't figured it out already.

Start ATI Control Panel in Advanced Mode, and go to the ATI Overdrive screen. Leave it up on the desktop and start a full-screen 3D game (e.g. I started Far Cry). Let the game run for a few seconds then ALT-TAB over to the ATI Control Panel. On my system, the ATI Control Panel shows the 3D clocks for about 3 seconds before the system reverts back to 2D mode....and then I can see the clocks drop back down.

Or, using ATI Tool 0.25 Beta 14, do the same thing...but it doesn't automatically drop back down to 2D until you exit the game. Which is even better.

-- TL