X1950 Pro AGP is coming!

[GEOrifle]

I'm helping people to make decision DON'T buy overpriced or to be became cheaper cards.
And what's your problem? Do you have some cards to sale?

I made same kind of mistake 6 months ago when i bought hard to find P4 3.4 PRESCOT,
thinking it was a miracle. No one told me about Core 2 DUO's release in a month which droped CPU prices almost 70%.
Thise P4 3.4 Prescot $250 CPU i can't sell even for $100.
And problems sarted became biger: bought an 478 MOB with AGP slot.
Now whole system is SH*T and i'm also looking thise NEW X1950PRO shits which will just
last about a months and gona pay for it $300.

 

[AgonxOC]

Dude, not everyone has a slow AGP system. For example: I have a Dothan set up and it is quite fast. My GPU is bottlenecking me and I need something faster. Most AGP X1950Pro 512MB by Saphire I have seen are about 250 USD. I dont want to upgrade to PCI-E just yet as I do not have the money. Have you seen the prices on RAM alone? What system do you have?


Alex

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
I'm helping people to make decision DON'T buy overpriced or to be became cheaper cards.
And what's your problem? Do you have some cards to sale?

I made same kind of mistake 6 months ago when i bought hard to find P4 3.4 PRESCOT,
thinking it was a miracle. No one told me about Core 2 DUO's release in a month which droped CPU prices almost 70%.
Thise P4 3.4 Prescot $250 CPU i can't sell even for $100.
And problems sarted became biger: bought an 478 MOB with AGP slot.
Now whole system is SH*T and i'm also looking thise NEW X1950PRO shits which will just
last about a months and gona pay for it $300.

you sound like a *broken record*

like 'duh' ... if you *Wait Long Enough* the price will drop

your uninformed purchase of a DEAD-END cpu and lack of research was purely your fault ... i bought a [478] Northwood instead of a Prescott over 3 years ago!

the MSRP of the 512MB x1950p Sapphire IS $250 ... if you *wait* it will drop - maybe $50 in the next month or two on sale ... in that *same* month or two the value of my x850xt will ALSO drop $50

why not enjoy the "latest and greatest" AGP GPU? ... for those same two months ... i don't give a rat's ass about $50 ... that's what i pay for a new PC game.

try too look at it from another informed PoV.

 

[AgonxOC]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
I'm helping people to make decision DON'T buy overpriced or to be became cheaper cards.
And what's your problem? Do you have some cards to sale?

I made same kind of mistake 6 months ago when i bought hard to find P4 3.4 PRESCOT,
thinking it was a miracle. No one told me about Core 2 DUO's release in a month which droped CPU prices almost 70%.
Thise P4 3.4 Prescot $250 CPU i can't sell even for $100.
And problems sarted became biger: bought an 478 MOB with AGP slot.
Now whole system is SH*T and i'm also looking thise NEW X1950PRO shits which will just
last about a months and gona pay for it $300.

Well I have had my X850XT PE since early 2005. I have had my DOTHAN set up since a year or so ago it only cost me 350 USD since I had an P4C800 DLX laying around. The X850XT PE is bottlenecking me and if you know about CPUs a Dothan @ 2.8 GHz is quite a fast CPU, faster than a FX-57 @ 3.3 GHz. So infact a have a very fast single core. I can get a X1950Pro and revive my system in SM3.0 games.


Alex

 

[postmortemIA]

That single core of yours owns most dual core CPUs, because rarely some software or game can take full (even partial) advantage of both cores. While yours is always fully utilized, and because high clocks it has high processing power.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
I'm helping people to make decision DON'T buy overpriced or to be became cheaper cards.
And what's your problem? Do you have some cards to sale?

I made same kind of mistake 6 months ago when i bought hard to find P4 3.4 PRESCOT,
thinking it was a miracle. No one told me about Core 2 DUO's release in a month which droped CPU prices almost 70%.
Thise P4 3.4 Prescot $250 CPU i can't sell even for $100.
And problems sarted became biger: bought an 478 MOB with AGP slot.
Now whole system is SH*T and i'm also looking thise NEW X1950PRO shits which will just
last about a months and gona pay for it $300.

you sound like a *broken record*

like 'duh' ... if you *Wait Long Enough* the price will drop

your uninformed purchase of a DEAD-END cpu and lack of research was purely your fault ... i bought a [478] Northwood instead of a Prescott over 3 years ago!

the MSRP of the 512MB x1950p Sapphire IS $250 ... if you *wait* it will drop - maybe $50 in the next month or two on sale ... in that *same* month or two the value of my x850xt will ALSO drop $50

why not enjoy the "latest and greatest" AGP GPU? ... for those same two months ... i don't give a rat's ass about $50 ... that's what i pay for a new PC game.

try too look at it from another informed PoV.

Indeed, I hardly consider my nForce 3 ultra socket 939 AGP board to be slow. It has an Athlon64 4000+ (San Diego with 1mb L2 Cache, was able to o/c it with the retail HS/F by over 350Mhz, not bad) (and bios supports all dual core athlons on the socket 939). Not only would I have to toss away 2GB of perfectly good Corsair XMS PC3200 DDR ram, but also my motherboard (which still runs great), and my OEM copy of WIndows XP. Whereas, if I just upgrade to a faster AGP card (from my current 6800 ultra), I will not have to go through hardly as much cash or trouble.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
I'm helping people to make decision DON'T buy overpriced or to be became cheaper cards.
And what's your problem? Do you have some cards to sale?

I made same kind of mistake 6 months ago when i bought hard to find P4 3.4 PRESCOT,
thinking it was a miracle. No one told me about Core 2 DUO's release in a month which droped CPU prices almost 70%.
Thise P4 3.4 Prescot $250 CPU i can't sell even for $100.
And problems sarted became biger: bought an 478 MOB with AGP slot.
Now whole system is SH*T and i'm also looking thise NEW X1950PRO shits which will just
last about a months and gona pay for it $300.

you sound like a *broken record*

like 'duh' ... if you *Wait Long Enough* the price will drop

your uninformed purchase of a DEAD-END cpu and lack of research was purely your fault ... i bought a [478] Northwood instead of a Prescott over 3 years ago!

the MSRP of the 512MB x1950p Sapphire IS $250 ... if you *wait* it will drop - maybe $50 in the next month or two on sale ... in that *same* month or two the value of my x850xt will ALSO drop $50

why not enjoy the "latest and greatest" AGP GPU? ... for those same two months ... i don't give a rat's ass about $50 ... that's what i pay for a new PC game.

try too look at it from another informed PoV.

Indeed, I hardly consider my nForce 3 ultra socket 939 AGP board to be slow. It has an Athlon64 4000+ (San Diego with 1mb L2 Cache) (and bios supports all dual core athlons on the socket 939). Not only would I have to toss away 2GB of perfectly good Corsair XMS PC3200 DDR ram, but also my motherboard (which still runs great), and my OEM copy of WIndows XP. Whereas, if I just upgrade to a faster AGP card (from my current 6800 ultra), I will not have to go through hardly as much cash or trouble.

exactly ... your upgrade and mine both cost ~$150 after selling our old videocard.

Although yours is a much nicer/faster CPU than mine [which @3.31Ghz is close to the complainer's Prescott], it is *sufficient* for today's games --coupled with a x1950p

IF we *wait* there is gonna be a *Flood* of 6800ultra/x850xt in AGP hitting the FS/T and eBay ...

PLUS there is *something cool* about turning all your Graphics setting *up^*
... for a change

why wait to *save* fifty bucks?


of course, YMMV ... and i will be a bit *bummed* to see my x1950p selling for $179 next month
[which, imo is highly doubtful .... for the 512MB version... however, i would NOT be surprised to see it selling for $199 in a couple of months though]

toss a coin ...

i didn't need to ... it fit my needs perfectly ... at a price i was happy to pay ...
and i won't have to think of ANOTHER video card for another year

EDIT ... looking back a few years this is my *pattern*

i bought a Radeon 64DDr - used it 3 years, and sold it for a 8500-128 [net cost $100] and ran that for another year ... bought a 9800xt for $225 [*net cost $150] and ran it into the ground ... it burned up *victim of O/C'ing and a disconnected fan* ] i "would have" got $100 ... but spent $200 *total* for my new microcenter x850xt and used it over a year

cheap PC gaming over the last 4 or 5 years

 

[Auric]

X1950 Pro is going to hold its value relatively well just like the X8xx did when they were best and "last" of the AGP's for so long (unless Nvidia steps up to the challenge). The late arrival of the 7800GS didn't have much effect due to manufacturer price gouging and of course the 7600GT only came out four months ago in limited supply and didn't exactly trounce the high-end X8xx performance, but rather bested it more with features and efficiencies at a lower cost.

As for the 8800, again, it is irrelevant without AGP. New models aren't going to change much for those thinking about upgrading this year since it is not about the viddy card but the platform (GEOrifle, don't make the same mistake of buying into a "dead-end"!).

With each day that passes it becomes increasingly foolhardy to sidegrade to PCIe 1.0a, DDR2, blah blah, olde timey platform. Those who have been content with their AGP systems by buying at a fortuitous time in major industry cycles will be able to leapfrog to PCI 2.0, DDR3, &c. later in the year if they choose and hopefully be positioned for another long ride replete with future upgrade possibilities.

appopin, I like to do likewise (except for the burning)... upgrade at opportune moments to maximize bang for the dinar. I'm still on the fence over this one though due mainly to the friggin' size of the beast and some ATI driver issues. Also not sure my PSU is sufficient and I am really more than content with my 7600GT.

 

[AgonxOC]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
That single core of yours owns most dual core CPUs, because rarely some software or game can take full (even partial) advantage of both cores. While yours is always fully utilized, and because high clocks it has high processing power.

Some people simply do not know that. Like that Geo guy.... I am willing to bet my system is faster than his.

Alex

 

[Assimilator1]

I didn't think the Dothans FPU power could match the Ath64s?
Or am I thnking of an earlier Pentium M?

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
I'm helping people to make decision DON'T buy overpriced or to be became cheaper cards.
And what's your problem? Do you have some cards to sale?

I made same kind of mistake 6 months ago when i bought hard to find P4 3.4 PRESCOT,
thinking it was a miracle. No one told me about Core 2 DUO's release in a month which droped CPU prices almost 70%.
Thise P4 3.4 Prescot $250 CPU i can't sell even for $100.
And problems sarted became biger: bought an 478 MOB with AGP slot.
Now whole system is SH*T and i'm also looking thise NEW X1950PRO shits which will just
last about a months and gona pay for it $300.

A P4 3.4 Prescott is still reasonable ,though I feel for ya on your $$ loss .
As for getting an AGP mbrd that recently ,sorry but the PCI-E mbrds have been around quite a long time now ,so that's just down to no or poor research.

Anyway ,as far as the 8800 GTS goes mentioned in that link of yours ,has this been verified by any other sites?
Also if the 8800 GTS is only to be PCI-E (probably) then that won't have much of an effect on AGP card prices ,as was shown by some of the overpriced 7800 GS's:disgust:
Inccidently the 1950 Pros arent sh*t ,lol ,mate you only have to look at the benchmarks for that.
Maybe,probably they'll be cheaper in a months time or so but I doubt it'll be much more than £10-£20 ,unless the very unlikely happens & Nvidia do a 8800 GTS for AGP.
Unless you can show conclusively that newer & faster AGP cards are being released soon then I don't think you have a case for the near future for saying the AGP 1950's aren't worth it.

 

[GEOrifle]

Originally posted by: AgonxOC

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
That single core of yours owns most dual core CPUs, because rarely some software or game can take full (even partial) advantage of both cores. While yours is always fully utilized, and because high clocks it has high processing power.

Some people simply do not know that. Like that Geo guy.... I am willing to bet my system is faster than his.

Alex

I know much more then you can imagine, but if you can pay $350 for AGP upgrade-that's your choice.
I was thinking doing the right thing, don't like it? Time will show us who is right.

 

[AgonxOC]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle

I know much more then you can imagine, but if you can pay $350 for AGP upgrade-that's your choice.
I was thinking doing the right thing, don't like it? Time will show us who is right.

Yeah like getting the price wrong? The X1950Pro 512MB are 250 USD, not 350 USD. Heck RAM alone is going to cost me 350 USD if I go PCI-E, so yeah, you do not know much....

Alex

 

[AgonxOC]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1
I didn't think the Dothans FPU power could match the Ath64s?
Or am I thnking of an earlier Pentium M?

Could be, I have not compared them in FPU, but in 3D, gaming, and other things, A64 are way slower than Dothans. We are talking about 3D are we not?


Alex

 

[postmortemIA]

clock per clock:
Core 2 Duo>Core Duo>Dothan>A64>Athlon XP> Pentium III....>Pentium 4

 

[AgonxOC]

Postmortem are you using or ever used a Dothan Rig? In alot of 3D Benches I have seen a Dothan is comparable to a Allandale/Conroe at similar speeds. At least in 3DMark01, but hey thats only a benchmark. Anyways a Dothan with a X1950Pro is going to be quite nice. I do not have to go Conroe yet. Conroe/Allandale/Merom/Yonah are a bit faster than Dothan though in many other aspects, but for the time being I will stick with Dothan as I want to enjoy it a bit more.


Alex

 

[postmortemIA]

They are comparable, but core duo is revision of it and core 2 duo is 2nd revision of it... each revision has better core, and faster memory. I think that (not sure) Dothan is single DDR channel CPU. And it uses DDR1...so the performance difference between Core Duo and Dothan per clock has to be there, even when 2nd core of Core Duo is ignored.

 

[AgonxOC]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
They are comparable, but core duo is revision of it and core 2 duo is 2nd revision of it... each revision has better core, and faster memory. I think that (not sure) Dothan is single DDR channel CPU. And it uses DDR1...so the performance difference between Core Duo and Dothan per clock has to be there, even when 2nd core of Core Duo is ignored.

My Dothan Uses Dual Channel DDR @ 233 MHz so its not to shabby. Now have you used a Dothan rig? How do know about them as most people do not unless they have used one and thought about using one?


Alex

 

[stevea862]

Heres some motivation for those on the fence about this card. From another of my posts:

I have the Diamond 512 mb x1950pro AGP (got it from newegg).

A few benchmarks:

Sytem Specs:
Athlon 64 3000+ Newcastle @ 2.0ghz
Asus K8V SE Deluxe
2x 1gb Corsair XMS 3200-pc2 @ 400Mhz 2-3-3-6 Bank Interleaving @ 4
*Rosewill 400watt PS with 15a on +12v1 and 14a on +12v2 rails.

*(Not even minimum spec for the card, but Was the minumun the card would
run stable with. In other words get a good PS)

Fear performance test:

EVERYTHING COMPLETELY MAXED @ 1024x768 (PC settings such as physics, all options on highest)

Minimum: 25fps
Average: 69fps
MAXIMUM: 168fps!!

0% below 25fps!!!!



RB6 Vegas:

Dont have FRAPS yet, but it is FULLY PLAYABLE at 1024x768 WITH ALL SETTINGS
ON VERY HIGH (shadows, shaders, HDR on. Awesome game BTW, worth getting an upgrade card by itself)




3dmark06 (default trial settings and tests):

4007 3dmarks! Not Half bad if I do say so myself. This pc is over three years old.
$299 upgrade ONE TIME and its back in the game!

http://service.futuremark.com/orb/resul....jsp?projectType=14&XLID=0&UID=7587827

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: AgonxOC

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
They are comparable, but core duo is revision of it and core 2 duo is 2nd revision of it... each revision has better core, and faster memory. I think that (not sure) Dothan is single DDR channel CPU. And it uses DDR1...so the performance difference between Core Duo and Dothan per clock has to be there, even when 2nd core of Core Duo is ignored.

My Dothan Uses Dual Channel DDR @ 233 MHz so its not to shabby. Now have you used a Dothan rig? How do know about them as most people do not unless they have used one and thought about using one?


Alex

i believe the core2 duo IS faster than anything INtel or AMD had previously.

very impressive

check out CPU-O/C'ing Forum
[yes Dothan is quite impressive
... conroe is newer and faster]

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: AgonxOC

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
They are comparable, but core duo is revision of it and core 2 duo is 2nd revision of it... each revision has better core, and faster memory. I think that (not sure) Dothan is single DDR channel CPU. And it uses DDR1...so the performance difference between Core Duo and Dothan per clock has to be there, even when 2nd core of Core Duo is ignored.

My Dothan Uses Dual Channel DDR @ 233 MHz so its not to shabby. Now have you used a Dothan rig? How do know about them as most people do not unless they have used one and thought about using one?


Alex

I have Core Duo laptop, so I can compare.

 

[honestjohn]

Just a heads-up, Sapphire X1950 Pro IN STOCK at Allstarshop, not a bad price $249 plus shipping......

http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product...9&sid=V9TCKWFHDXGV8K88XR3JU828QV57EN25

 

[AgonxOC]

Originally posted by: apoppin

i believe the core2 duo IS faster than anything INtel or AMD had previously.

very impressive

check out CPU-O/C'ing Forum
[yes Dothan is quite impressive
... conroe is newer and faster]

Well in 3D at the same speeds they are very similar. Conroe/Allandales/Merom are considerably faster overall. They are a newer revision of Dothan. None the less Dothan still remains the fastest single core CPU, until Intel releases a single core revision of Conroe/Allandale with 2MB or more L2.... If the L2 is less than 2MB then it will be slower than Dothan as I have seen some 512KB single core Conroe Revisions and they were much slower due to the Cache, which make a huge difference.


Alex

 

[postmortemIA]

Short review of Sapphire 512MB

- 512MB makes difference in theoretical tests (3DMark06)
- It is supper quiet - better than my 6800 Ultra
- Ati Tools support it, and fan speed and both clocks can be changed
- Games wise, COD2 got almost 100% gain compared to 6800 ultra. Medieval II is badly CPU bound, so extra large battles go down to 10+ fps on 1600x1200. Of course source- based games go well as well. I have to test it on few more games like FEAR.
-temperature stays low: 44C on desktop vs. 56 on 6800U.

And I have decent PSU, 550W Antec True Power II.

 

[Paratus]

Well I just installed a Zalman 9500 & Enermax Liberty 500 on my P4E 3.2 in prep for my X1950Pro.

I'm going to attempt to OC & run some benches from 2.8 to 3.6+ to check out the supposed CPU bottleneck when it arrives (back order from Amazon)

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: honestjohn
Just a heads-up, Sapphire X1950 Pro IN STOCK at Allstarshop, not a bad price $249 plus shipping......

http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/product...9&sid=V9TCKWFHDXGV8K88XR3JU828QV57EN25

Going to wait for ZZF, I like FedEx shipping, bought from them before, and I am in no real hurry... classes start soon.