X1950 Pro AGP is coming!

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: dug777
Would my TruPower 380 W handle one? Dual 12v rail, 32A combined.

My Enermax 500W has dual 12v rails with 32A combined & it has no problems. Vdroop is about .06V under load.

Are you sure your 380W PSU has dual 32A (total) rails? Thats pretty high for a 380.

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Very sure, it says it on the sticker

It's the last (2nd/3rd?) gen TruPower.

Actually, i did just read the sticker again, and it gives a combined max of 28A for the 12vs, still, that should be plenty?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: dug777
Would my TruPower 380 W handle one? Dual 12v rail, 32A combined.

My Enermax 500W has dual 12v rails with 32A combined & it has no problems. Vdroop is about .06V under load.

Are you sure your 380W PSU has dual 32A (total) rails? Thats pretty high for a 380.

posted via Palm Life Drive

Very sure, it says it on the sticker

It's the last (2nd/3rd?) gen TruPower.

Actually, i did just read the sticker again, and it gives a combined max of 28A for the 12vs, still, that should be plenty?

How about a *probably* ?

the Min spec is 450w with 30a on the 12v rail recommended

considering the *results* with my 480w TT with less than the recommended amperage, would you *chance* it again if you were in MY position? without upgrading?

that's why i am selling my x1950p when it returns from RMA
the *only* reason

'likely' my PS was not an issue at all ... likely

but ... would you take a chance?

How *loaded* is your rig currently?

 

[Assimilator1]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: dug777
Would my TruPower 380 W handle one? Dual 12v rail, 32A combined.

My Enermax 500W has dual 12v rails with 32A combined & it has no problems. Vdroop is about .06V under load.

Are you sure your 380W PSU has dual 32A (total) rails? Thats pretty high for a 380.

posted via Palm Life Drive

Very sure, it says it on the sticker

It's the last (2nd/3rd?) gen TruPower.

Actually, i did just read the sticker again, and it gives a combined max of 28A for the 12vs, still, that should be plenty?

Someone posted a link in the previous page(?) about dual 12v rails ,the short version is you can't add up the 2 12v lines current,apparently it doesn't work like that.The CPU gets 1 12v line & the graphics card gets the other.So really you need to take the individual line amperage as the available power.
Now I wish I still had my single 12v line TP 430 instead of the dual one I have now . (its an RMA replacement)

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: dug777
Would my TruPower 380 W handle one? Dual 12v rail, 32A combined.

My Enermax 500W has dual 12v rails with 32A combined & it has no problems. Vdroop is about .06V under load.

Are you sure your 380W PSU has dual 32A (total) rails? Thats pretty high for a 380.

posted via Palm Life Drive

Very sure, it says it on the sticker

It's the last (2nd/3rd?) gen TruPower.

Actually, i did just read the sticker again, and it gives a combined max of 28A for the 12vs, still, that should be plenty?

How about a *probably* ?

the Min spec is 450w with 30a on the 12v rail recommended

considering the *results* with my 480w TT with less than the recommended amperage, would you *chance* it again if you were in MY position? without upgrading?

that's why i am selling my x1950p when it returns from RMA
the *only* reason

'likely' my PS was not an issue at all ... likely

but ... would you take a chance?

How *loaded* is your rig currently?

yeah not worth the hassles i suppose, i'd be massively CPU limited anyway i guess.

I don't know how loaded you'd say it was...just a 2.1Ghz tbred-b (but crazy core voltage, 1.81vcore), 1GB DDR (2x512), Asus A7V8X mobo, SBLive! 24-bit, 6800GS(@~U), DVD drive, CDRW, 250GB WD Caviar SE, 3x80mm case fans.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Assimilator1

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: dug777
Would my TruPower 380 W handle one? Dual 12v rail, 32A combined.

My Enermax 500W has dual 12v rails with 32A combined & it has no problems. Vdroop is about .06V under load.

Are you sure your 380W PSU has dual 32A (total) rails? Thats pretty high for a 380.

posted via Palm Life Drive

Very sure, it says it on the sticker

It's the last (2nd/3rd?) gen TruPower.

Actually, i did just read the sticker again, and it gives a combined max of 28A for the 12vs, still, that should be plenty?

Someone posted a link in the previous page(?) about dual 12v rails ,the short version is you can't add up the 2 12v lines current,apparently it doesn't work like that.The CPU gets 1 12v line & the graphics card gets the other.So really you need to take the individual line amperage as the available power.
Now I wish I still had my single 12v line TP 430 instead of the dual one I have now . (its an RMA replacement)

The PSU itself states that it can give up to 28A combined tho? That's 2x16A rails, but obviously you lose some in the addition of the rails?

I don't think the 'take one single rail as the max' theory works, since i know many people running x1900xts on dual rail PSUs that deliver far less than 30A on each rail.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: dug777
yeah not worth the hassles i suppose, i'd be massively CPU limited anyway i guess.

I don't know how loaded you'd say it was...just a 2.1Ghz tbred-b (but crazy core voltage, 1.81vcore), 1GB DDR (2x512), Asus A7V8X mobo, SBLive! 24-bit, 6800GS(@~U), DVD drive, CDRW, 250GB WD Caviar SE, 3x80mm case fans.

thing is tho, with cpu limitation you can still up the res, run higher aa/af, and max out most quality settings. you won't gain framerate, but you'll be able to maintain your current framerate while dramatically increasing the image quality, so it's not like there's no benefit whatsoever.

as for your power supply, here's my experience with my x1950pros...

i ran both a visiontek and HIS (overclocked) on a truepower 480w which only has 18a avail on 12v. both actually ran fine for the most part (wife basically only played WoW), however after running for a week her pc randomly shut down. this occured randomly a couple of times in 2-3 days.

as this is a symptom of inadequate power, i put in my ocz 520w (single 12v, 28a) and the issue went away. the overclocked HIS is in there now and has run for about 2 weeks w/o any problem whatsoever.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Paratus

Originally posted by: dug777
Would my TruPower 380 W handle one? Dual 12v rail, 32A combined.

My Enermax 500W has dual 12v rails with 32A combined & it has no problems. Vdroop is about .06V under load.

Are you sure your 380W PSU has dual 32A (total) rails? Thats pretty high for a 380.

posted via Palm Life Drive

Very sure, it says it on the sticker

It's the last (2nd/3rd?) gen TruPower.

Actually, i did just read the sticker again, and it gives a combined max of 28A for the 12vs, still, that should be plenty?

How about a *probably* ?

the Min spec is 450w with 30a on the 12v rail recommended

considering the *results* with my 480w TT with less than the recommended amperage, would you *chance* it again if you were in MY position? without upgrading?

that's why i am selling my x1950p when it returns from RMA
the *only* reason

'likely' my PS was not an issue at all ... likely

but ... would you take a chance?

How *loaded* is your rig currently?

yeah not worth the hassles i suppose, i'd be massively CPU limited anyway i guess.

I don't know how loaded you'd say it was...just a 2.1Ghz tbred-b (but crazy core voltage, 1.81vcore), 1GB DDR (2x512), Asus A7V8X mobo, SBLive! 24-bit, 6800GS(@~U), DVD drive, CDRW, 250GB WD Caviar SE, 3x80mm case fans.

OK, from also reading CaiNaM's post ... it would seem that the 30a is a realistic requirement ... that is why i am *afraid* to put it back in with my TT {same as his wife's PS}

now your system IS somewhat *loaded* - especially with a rather steep O/C ... you "may" lose some stability as i did with my CPU's O/C ... and you may not

however, you probably won't be any more CPU limited than i was ... i.e. 'mildly to moderately' ... BUT you can still run at the max resolution you can now PLUS you get to crank the *details* to off the chart along with AA/AF.

 

[honestjohn]

Just noticed the new Powercolor X1950 Pro 512MB has finally made it to market ......

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131051

 

[Assimilator1]

Took its time!

 

[GEOrifle]

Originally posted by: honestjohn
Just noticed the new Powercolor X1950 Pro 512MB has finally made it to market ......

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131051

How runs your X1950XT AGP ? It's good perfomer?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: honestjohn
Just noticed the new Powercolor X1950 Pro 512MB has finally made it to market ......

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131051

what is so special about it>


there are several brands of x1950p/512M

 

[GEOrifle]

This is an NEWEGG costumer review on X1950XT AGP GECUBE version, maybe 1 Aprill
JOG?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16814241049

And MOB he got:

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=998


"GREAT AGP CARD


Pros: I got a Pentium II 300MHz Klamath on a Intel i440BX motherboard with 192MB of PC66 SDRAM and this graphics card. Quake 2 is smooth as butter now! I upgraded from a Virge S3 4MB AGP and man it is fast. No One Lives Forever 2 also runs very very smooth.

Cons: Required me to spend big $$$ on a power supply but with a system of this age what can you do?

Other Thoughts: Replaced the heatsink and fan with a banana and got 20C cooler temps at idle. "

?????????? Any coments ??????????

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
"Other Thoughts: Replaced the heatsink and fan with a banana and got 20C cooler temps at idle. "

I doubt it. You'd need a plantain to reach those temps.

 

[honestjohn]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
[How runs your X1950XT AGP ? It's good perfomer?

I posted the below on another forum .....

OK, here are a few my not so quick impressions of the Gecube X1950XT TEC/Turbo-Fan 256MB AGP. The first thing that struck me even before getting to the card was the Box it came in. It's huge with a very nice picture of Ruby I might add. (I dig redheads) It reminds me of the good old days when men were men and graphics cards came packaged in boxes the size of a small piece of luggage. Anyway, after opening the box I could see why. The card was massive, taking up the AGP slot plus 2 PCI slots. The pictures really don't do it justice and I think if I put it on top of my FX 5200 (tweener card) it would probably crush it. Luckily I have plenty of room in my case. The next thing I did was to examine the card to see if everything was attached properly and to my horror I immediately noticed they did not have any ramsinks attached to any of the memory chips and that there is about 3/4 inch of clearance between the memory chips and the cooler. So at this point I had visions of my 2 faulty HIS cards dancing around in my head. Luckily my worries were unfounded.

Next, the install. Took 5 minutes and even as big as the card is, it fit fine and had plenty of clearance on all sides. Now for the part you've been waiting for, the performance. This is probably going to disappoint you as it did me briefly but it is not a whole lot faster than the HIS X1950 Pro ICEQ3 Turbo, at least on my rig anyway, but at least this card works CPU bottleneck and all! The default clocks on the card are 648 Mhz. Core and 700 Mhz (1400 mhz. Effective) for the memory. I have only done a few runs of 3DMark05/06 so far and the results are below. Note, you can't expect the same performance from this card as you would get from the PCI-E card. The PCI-E X1950XT's generally have their memory clocked at 1800 Mhz. - effective as the default.

Gecube X1950XT TEC/Turbo-Fan 256 MB AGP / Gecube Recommended OC - Core 675 Mhz. (default is 648 Mhz.) / Memory 1400 Mhz. effective

3DMark05: 9617
3DMark06: 4683

The next thing I tried was to see how far I could push the card and to be honest I didn't have much hope for the card considering the memory does not have any ramsinks as I mentioned before. I first used ATI's Cat.7.3 Overdrive but that did not allow for memory overclocking as the slider only went from 701-702 Mhz. So I loaded up ATI Tray Tools. After a little trial and error I found stable clocks of 675 Mhz. for the core which is actually the recommended maximum by Gecube and they're right, pushed it up a few notches to 683 Mhz. and the GPU shut down. As far as the memory goes, I was pleasantly surprised and managed 800 Mhz (1600 Mhz. effective). Artifacts began appearing around 850 Mhz. and decided to back it off a bit since perfromance gains are nominal. I'm actually pretty amazed I could overclock the memory at all. For testing stability I ran ATI Tray Tools 3DRenderer all night long with maximum temps reached 72c which is normal and given as the average temp under 3D load by Gecube. I also bumped up the FAN speed to 90% with ATI Tray Tools with no noticeable noise from my already noisy case. Overclocking results below.....

Gecube X1950XT TEC/Turbo-Fan 256 MB AGP / Core 675 Mhz. / Memory 1600 Mhz. effective

3DMark05: 9818
3DMark06: 4860

I'd love to see what this card could do with a better CPU and a socket 939 motherboard in dual channel mode.....

Enough of that, now how about gaming. Tested so far using Prey, Quake 4, Doom 3 and my son's Marvel Alliance. Graphics quality is outstanding as is the X1950 Pro. I'm gaming at 1680x1050 whenever possible and have all game settings maxxed. Everything plays smoothly and haven't encountered a glitch yet. One thing I noticed almost immediately was, I'll call it ?perceived speed. Everything I played just ?felt? faster with movements appearing much more fluid and realistic.

So am I happy with the purchase. Hell yeah. It's cheaper than my old HIS X1950 Pro ICEQ3 was, it's faster, but most importantly the bloody thing works!

.....and as for all you guy with "working" X1950 Pro's. Keep'em, they're great cards and I wouldn't even think about upgrading to this one unless you have money to burn. For those sitting on the fence right now about buying the Pro. Jump off and buy THIS card instead. Although if we were talking bang for the buck, I guess I would still recommend the Sapphire X1950 Pro 512MB AGP.

http://www.gecube.com/products-deta...6&prod_id=65116

Just for reference, here are a few other cards I've recently owned .....

Visiontek X1950 Pro 256MB (my 1st X1950 Pro) - returned for full refund

3DMark05: 8756
3DMark06: 4034

Sapphire X1950 Pro 512MB (my 2nd X1950 Pro) - sold on EBay for $50 more

3DMark05: 9119 / OC'd to HIS ICEQ3 Rev.1 - 9261
3DMark06: 4232 / OC'd to HIS ICEQ3 Rev.1 - 4356

HIS ICEQ3 Turbo 512MB Rev.1 (when it worked, 3rd & 4th X1950 Pro) - refunded after 2nd bad card

3DMark05: 9231
3DMark06: 4390

Gainward Bliss 7800 GS+ 512MB Goes Like Hell Ed - ordered right before X1950XT was available - returned for refund / Overclocked / 20 Pipe / Core 603 Mhz. / Memory 1550 Mhz. effective

3DMark05: 8611
3DMark06: 4513

Edit: Just an FYI for people with similar specs sp they know what to expect.

Gecube scores have gone up a bit because I was running out of Hard Drive space so I just scrapped my PATA IDE drive and put in a 500GB SATA Drive today, also got rid of my crap ram, and put in some good G.Skill stuff, Had $300 in Birthday money to blow, so I figured what the hell. I can use the drive in my next rig.

I was hoping for more, but the only way that's is going to happen is to go PCI-E. Anyway, after installing SATA Drive and better memory I almost hit 10,000 in 3DMark05 anyway. Still not bad for an old socket 754 board.

Gecube X1950XT TEC Turbo Fan 256 MB AGP / Gecube Recommended Overclock - Core 675 Mhz. (default 648 Mhz.) / Memory 1400 Mhz. effective

3DMark05: 9812
3DMark06: 4789

Gecube X1950XT TEC Turbo Fan 256 MB AGP / Overclocked / Core 675 Mhz. / Memory 1600 Mhz. effective

3DMark05: 9957
3DMark06: 4982

 

[honestjohn]

OK understood. No Problem.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: honestjohn
DIdn't say anything was so special about it. There previous card was a 256MB, this new one is 512MB. That's all. It was just an FYI..... Trust me I'm well aware that there are other 512MB cards. Maybe some who is looking at buying a Powercolor specifically would appreciate this info even if you do not.

naw ... i was just *curious* about the PowerColor ... IF it was something "special"

i already have a Sapphire x1950p/512M and scored very close to your old pro scores ... 9280 in 3DMark05 ...

i am guessing our CPUs are pretty 'close' also ... there isn't much room for you or i to upgrade ... i guess you could go the Opty route ... i'd need to OC further

...but i *really did* appreciate your comparison with the 'Xt' 256MB version ... i will not 'upgrade' to it

thanks

 

[Assimilator1]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
This is an NEWEGG costumer review on X1950XT AGP GECUBE version, maybe 1 Aprill
JOG?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16814241049

And MOB he got:

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=998


"GREAT AGP CARD


Pros: I got a Pentium II 300MHz Klamath on a Intel i440BX motherboard with 192MB of PC66 SDRAM and this graphics card. Quake 2 is smooth as butter now! I upgraded from a Virge S3 4MB AGP and man it is fast. No One Lives Forever 2 also runs very very smooth.

Cons: Required me to spend big $$$ on a power supply but with a system of this age what can you do?

Other Thoughts: Replaced the heatsink and fan with a banana and got 20C cooler temps at idle. "

?????????? Any coments ??????????

What a total Frigging idiot! lol! :shocked::roll: .........oh wait ,I missed the Banana comment ,obviously a wind up then

Btw I had one of those mbrds years ago ,great mbrds they were for their time! (caps problems aside) ,I retired it from my rig over 5yrs ago & installed into my sons PC along with the Cel 366 @550.Latter I fitted a Tualatin Celeron 1.1A @ 1.3GHz which kept it going til I sold it just over a year ago.

 

[GEOrifle]

New nVidia AGP cards arrived but i can't see any post about it, something is wrong?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...669+1069609639+4018+106790717&name=XFX

 

[Canterwood]

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
New nVidia AGP cards arrived but i can't see any post about it, something is wrong?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...669+1069609639+4018+106790717&name=XFX

Nice, but a bit late to the game tbh, seeing as they're only DX9 cards anyway.

Seeing as this threads had a resurrection, I might add that the X1950XT AGP can be had in the UK for less than its PCI-Express counterpart.

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/125754

Not quite the AGP rip-off that some might have us believe.

 

[GEOrifle]

Holly SH*T, X1950XT AGP for e125 ? Here in USA it cost $270. Wegot double price or
something wrong is going on with $$$$ (because all stores selling JUST Chinese stuf,that's
why $$$$ went down, USA DOESN'T PRODUCING ANYTHING, sooo dangerous....)

 

[Assimilator1]

I think your calculation is off ,IIRC & it hasnt changed much, its about 66p to 1e.
Yep I just did a currency conversion (from here ) & £140 is e206 = $275 not e125

Good to see the UK has some decent prices anyway

 

[hcnestjohn]

The x1950pro agp is a great video card, everyone should get one !!!
Don't forget you will need a good PSU 20A@+12V no less !!!

---

We do not need impersonators. Good bye.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: hcnestjohn
The x1950pro agp is a great video card, everyone should get one !!!
Don't forget you will need a good PSU 20A@+12V no less !!!

So you're the schmuck going around impersonating honestjohn? Good luck with that and life in general.

 

[honestjohn]

Originally posted by: hcnestjohn
The x1950pro agp is a great video card, everyone should get one !!!
Don't forget you will need a good PSU 20A@+12V no less !!!

Just a heads up people, if this guy gives you any advice on any of the new Video Cards don't listen, he doesn't own any of them. This twisted little pricklet has been trailing me around the internet ever since he was banned from Guru3D (twice) for trolling an X1950 Pro thread. His latest bit of insanity was signing up to another Board with my username, copying my signature from OverclockersUK and then linking to my posts on Guru3D. Oh yeah, he also added his own moronic comments to them of course trying to infuriate users and trash me. I had to join Toms Hardware as "I_AM_Honestjohn" just to report his posts and what he was doing. see link below. Since then he has signed up for HardForum and Rage3D with variations on my username.

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware...GPftopic-230804-days0-orderasc-25.html

Auric, thanks very much for the heads-up. It's nice to have friends. Obviously Guruboy / hcnestjohn doesn't.

 

[calgin]

What is or was the lowest price for x1950pro/xt agp in US $
newegg has open box units are they any good ?