X1950 Pro AGP is coming!

[wizzard0003]

However many Pipelines it has doesn't much matter if it is the "Best Bang for the Buck" AGP Video solution...

If it works, who gives a Patootie...

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[Noema]

How cool. AGP still lives!

However...as tempted as I am to upgrade from my 7800GS..I think the time has come for me to go full PCI-E and hence I will not get the card. I'm happy however for those who are enjoying great performance out of it on their still respectable AGP rigs. :thumbsup:

 

[Paratus]

OK one last time :

X1950PRO AGP or PCIe
12 'pipes' with 36 pixel shaders & 8 vertex shaders

Each 'pipe'
1 TMU
3 Pixel Shaders
1 ROP

If it only has 8 'pipes' it's not an X1950 PRO / RV570 it's an X1650XT / RV560.

Likewise if it has 36 pixels shaders then it is an RV570.

ALL REPORTS FROM FOLKS WHO GOT 1 SAY 12/36 RV570.

THE SAPPHIRE MARKETING PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED.

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[Auric]

Since AMD doesn't even mention "pipes", then the confoosion is understandable amongst us casual enthusiasts as it is apparently an outdated comparison harkening back to ye olde timey days o' yester yore. No point pimpin' pipes if the true measure is their component shaders 'n' stuff.

 

[wizzard0003]

Originally posted by: Noema
How cool. AGP still lives!

However...as tempted as I am to upgrade from my 7800GS..I think the time has come for me to go full PCI-E and hence I will not get the card. I'm happy however for those who are enjoying great performance out of it on their still respectable AGP rigs. :thumbsup:

Well thank you Noema...

I wouldn't be considering an upgrade myself if I already had a 7800GS. They are top of the line cards for AGP and I would surmise that someone wouldn't notice much difference between cards...

Some games would favor the 7800GS and others would favor the X1950Pro...

I've just decided to upgrade because my "Salt of the Earth" FX5900 is starting to get "Long in the Tooth"... :laugh:

If this new card had never came out I would have beyond a doubt have bought a 7800GS...

Thanks again though for your support...

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PS:
Good luck with your upgrade...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ephemeral
I just upgraded my Clawhammer machine with the Visiontek card.
I was hoping for more out of Oblivion but 4xAA and bloom still kills the outside framerate with grass on. Its playable, but it sure is annoying to go from silky smooth inside environments to chugging along outside .

Has anyone tried the Catalyst 6.12's out with this card yet? The download size is huge, have they added something significant to the drivers/control center?

try editing the .ini to 'shorten' the grass
there are step-by-steps from the Ob forum links

and forget Bloom ... HDR, baby
:thumbsup:

no idea about the very latest Cats

 

[Chadder007]

Where the crap is this card? I can't find it in stock anywhere?

 

[tfcmasta97]

I have a s754 2800+amd64 athlon and a 6800nu, and 1.5gbs pc3200 ram

think im better off upgrading this or moving on?

 

[Eomer of Aldburg]

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
I have a s754 2800+amd64 athlon and a 6800nu, and 1.5gbs pc3200 ram

think im better off upgrading this or moving on?

I'm in the same boat with you with a socket 754mb and needed an upgrade over my 6800GT. What I plan to do is buy getting a cheap but reliable socket 754 pci-e mb for about 50-60$ and buy a X1950XT for 250$ all at newegg. All together for 300$ the upgrade should keep my over till I get a cheap conroe system next year. Paying an exra 50 bucks for a pci-e mb allows you to also transfer your videocard to future systems. Hope that helps.

 

[wizzard0003]

Update...

ZZF Now list the Sapphire 512MB for $249 AND the Diamond 256MB for $238...

512MB

215MB

Funny how both brands are named after Precious Stones... :laugh:

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[postmortemIA]

Amazon *will have*
Diamond Viper ATI X1950PRO AGP 512MB for $289.

And Diamond Viper ATI X1950PRO AGP 256MB for $239.

 

[t73]

Originally posted by: wizzard0003
Update...

ZZF Now list the Sapphire 512MB for $249 AND the Diamond 256MB for $238...

512MB

215MB

Funny how both brands are named after Precious Stones... :laugh:

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Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Amazon *will have*
Diamond Viper ATI X1950PRO AGP 512MB for $289.

And Diamond Viper ATI X1950PRO AGP 256MB for $239.

So how does Diamond 512MB card differ from the Sapphire, is there a reason to choose DMM over Sapphire?
(I'm guessing, preformance would be similar, and silence wise, it looks like they use the same cooling system...)

 

[wizzard0003]

Originally posted by: t73

So how does Diamond 512MB card differ from the Sapphire, is there a reason to choose DMM over Sapphire?
(I'm guessing, preformance would be similar, and silence wise, it looks like they use the same cooling system...)

At this point none... There are no reviews as yet to compare any of the cards. These links are simply to inform of availability status...

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[t73]

I thought maybe one can asume somthing form their specs

 

[Auric]

ATI designed the reference card, which is why these exist at all. AIBs are free to make whatever AGP cards they want with PCIe GPUs und der Rialto. But they don't and as such prolly shan't even stray from the reference when handed to them. Ergo, they will likely all be the same with a diff'rent cooler slapped on, at best.

Sadly, it has been reported that the Sapphire 512MB is a mistake, at ZZF for $250 anyway and is meant to be 256MB. But as that price would be higher than expected and falls betwixt the Diamond offerings 'tis all rather obfuscatory.

 

[Matt2]

You guys on AGP do realize that for the same price you could get an X1950XT 256mb or maybe even a X1900XT 512mb right?

At what point do u draw the line?

 

[Auric]

Originally posted by: Matt2
You guys on AGP do realize that for the same price you could get an X1950XT 256mb or maybe even a X1900XT 512mb right?

At what point do u draw the line?

AGP target price is $30 or 15% higher than PCIe. Competition will reduce the premium on a percentage basis. Unless you know of an adapter for those PCIe-only cards that costs no more that, what's yer point?

 

[Matt2]

My point is that AGPers keep thinking these last ditch AGP cards are saving them money.

In the short run this is true, but in the long run you are carefully arranging your money into a nice, neat pile and lighting the mother effer on fire.

As I said in my last post, for the same price as the X1950Pro or less, you could have much greater performance per dollar if you had PCI-E.

At some point you're going to have to go PCI-E anyways, so why not make the switch before another $300 goes into the aformentioned pile of burning money?

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: Matt2
My point is that AGPers keep thinking these last ditch AGP cards are saving them money.

In the short run this is true, but in the long run you are carefully arranging your money into a nice, neat pile and lighting the mother effer on fire.

As I said in my last post, for the same price as the X1950Pro or less, you could have much greater performance per dollar if you had PCI-E.

At some point you're going to have to go PCI-E anyways, so why not make the switch before another $300 goes into the aformentioned pile of burning money?

so I need to ditch 1.5GB DDR1 RAM, good mobo, good CPU just because you say so? IS that how you see saving the money? By ditching everything I got now.

IS PCI-e version on X1950pro going to run faster?


DDR2+CPU+Mobo+GFX>> GFX

 

[wizzard0003]

Originally posted by: Matt2
My point is that AGPers keep thinking these last ditch AGP cards are saving them money.

In the short run this is true, but in the long run you are carefully arranging your money into a nice, neat pile and lighting the mother effer on fire.

As I said in my last post, for the same price as the X1950Pro or less, you could have much greater performance per dollar if you had PCI-E.

At some point you're going to have to go PCI-E anyways, so why not make the switch before another $300 goes into the aformentioned pile of burning money?

Some of us are perfectly happy with our AGP systems and don't plan on an upgrade in the near future...

Just because Mr. Jones next door went out and bought a brand new Porsche doesn't mean I want to scrap my good running, dependable, 4 door sedan. All I need is a tune-up, an oil-change and maybe some new tires... which would be a heck of a lot cheaper for me than buying a new car...

Especially since I really LIKE my old bomber and don't WANT a Porsche... :laugh:

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[Matt2]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
IS PCI-e version on X1950pro going to run faster?

No, but as I mentioned before, with PCI-E you could have paid the same amount if not less for a card that IS undoubtedly faster than the X1950Pro.

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
so I need to ditch 1.5GB DDR1 RAM, good mobo, good CPU just because you say so? IS that how you see saving the money? By ditching everything I got now.

Dude, I already said that in the short run, yes, buying an AGP card is cheaper. But in the long run you are shooting yourself in the foot.

You're going to have to buy a new CPU, mobo, RAM and graphics card sometime in the near future anyway if you want to continue gaming on the PC. So why is later better than now? If money is so tight that you dont want to have to pay for a new platform, then why even bother spending $300 on something that is going to be useless to you anyways once you are truly forced to upgrade.

You're only delaying the inevitable and it's costing you more money in the long run then you care to believe.

An XBOX360, Wii, or PS3 would be a much better investment of that $300

 

[Auric]

A system overhaul may be warranted in the future but it would be foohardy to jump into PCIe 1.0a and DDR2 now as that is just a different dead end at a substantial cost in time and moolah while setting oneself up for yet another overhaul real soon. Many folks care more about longevity of a system and minimizing time fiddling while money is a distant third concern. No amount of money can set up a system according to an individual's preference so it all comes down to spending their own time. So, many would happily spend significantly more money to simply and quickly upgrade the graphics on their otherwise adequate systems. Since these cards hardly even cost more it's a no brainer.

 

[Eomer of Aldburg]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
IS PCI-e version on X1950pro going to run faster?

No, but as I mentioned before, with PCI-E you could have paid the same amount if not less for a card that IS undoubtedly faster than the X1950Pro.

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
so I need to ditch 1.5GB DDR1 RAM, good mobo, good CPU just because you say so? IS that how you see saving the money? By ditching everything I got now.

Dude, I already said that in the short run, yes, buying an AGP card is cheaper. But in the long run you are shooting yourself in the foot.

You're going to have to buy a new CPU, mobo, RAM and graphics card sometime in the near future anyway if you want to continue gaming on the PC. So why is later better than now? If money is so tight that you dont want to have to pay for a new platform, then why even bother spending $300 on something that is going to be useless to you anyways once you are truly forced to upgrade.

You're only delaying the inevitable and it's costing you more money in the long run then you care to believe.

An XBOX360, Wii, or PS3 would be a much better investment of that $300

The option that I think a lot of AGP user's like myself are forgetting is that you can pick up a pretty good motherboard that supports PCI-express and/or AGP starting at around 50$ For example like this socket 754 board . Not only does it allow you to get the same card or even a better card but it allows one to change that card to a future machine.

 

[Paratus]

There are no good PCIe boards for a Skt 478 P4.

I'm happy with my rig in everything except games.
(P4 3.2E-2Gigs 2225 RAM-Theatre Pro 550-SATA 160Gig WD HD).

My VIVO ASUS 9600XT is it's only real weak point.

My time is precious to me so buying a card makes more sense than doing a complete rebuild.

 

[AgonxOC]

The X1950Pro might be the last AGP card I buy. With it I will unleach the power of my DOTHAN. Dothan and X850XT PE dont get along anymore as X850XT PE is bottlenecking Dothan. I cant just throw away my perfectly fine CPU and RAM.


Alex