X1950 Pro AGP is coming!

[apoppin]

don't worry about CPU limited at A64 2800 ... a mild Overclock would eliminate even that possibility ... your kid just needs to up the resolution/AA andor details to offload the work to the new x1900p

which should be ~ 30-50% faster then his current 6800gt

and ATi's drivers are as good as nvidia's ... greatly improved in the past 4 years

EDIT: where's my manners?

welcome to ATF, Owen

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: apoppin
don't worry about CPU limited at A64 2800 ... a mild Overclock would eliminate even that possibility ... your kid just needs to up the resolution/AA andor details to offload the work to the new x1900p

which should be ~ 30-50% faster then his current 6800gt

and ATi's drivers are as good as nvidia's ... greatly improved in the past 4 years

EDIT: where's my manners?

welcome to ATF, Owen

Wow 30-50% faster! Do they have benches comparing the card to a 6800 Ultra (that's what I've been stuck with since 2004 because of AGP). I'm very interested because I could get another year out of my system before I rebuild.

 

[owenowen41560]

Thanks for the quick reply. I've been on the site for a long time, and I've pulled a lot of great info that's helped a lot. I spend as much time here as my other site that is a bit more M-Board oriented. I've never OC'd a computer, but I figure if I mess it up, at least it's a 2 year old computer. Chaintech board is a VNF3-250 which (according to a friend) should take a mild OC without an issue.


Thanks again, Owen

 

[bigkibby]

Hi Owen,

I had a VNF-350 and a mobile Athlon 2800+, I OC'd it to 2.3 Ghz. Ran great, and that board(Chaintech) overclocks well. I have a 3700+ Newark at 2.95 on a DFI now. You should be able to do well with the new card, and old 6800 too for that matter, if you OC the CPU and vid card(RivaTuner).

I saw the release of this x1950 yesterday, and hope they hit the online retailers soon. It should be a smoker! I have always liked Nvidia, but this card should own the 7800.

 

[Dr J]

If I may join in,

I've been keen on this card for a while, myself. However, if it comes in at between $250 and $300, I'm not sure it's worth the money; either that, or I'll wait until after Christmas and hopefully the prices will fall (that is, if these cards ever actually materialize).

John

 

[bigkibby]

I agree,

If the 512MB card runs around $300+, it aint worth it. I will bite only if that card comes down to $250 or less shipped. At this point in time an sli setup would only be $100 more for me anyway. I have a 16/6 6800GS 256MB at 420/1190 and it plays all my games fine. When Vista, DX10, shader model 4.0 and true 16X sli are all truly perfected and incorporated in all mainstream apps, only then will I build a new machine. Hell, by then they will be producing Octocores!!!

Sure would like to read the specs and benchies on this card. OOOF I ate too much turkey again............

 

[zcubed]

i agree i wanna see some prices and reviews. but more importantly for me i wanna see some more pictures! ive only been able to find the powercolor one and due to its hideously large cooling solution it will never be able to fit in my case. also i hope the price doesnt go over $250. my 7800gs is nice and all but it doesnt cut it like i would like it to. especially when i have a pentium D 945(3.4GHz) and 2GB RAM. all i need is card with a normal profile. the 7800gs is like half an inch fromt he top of my case. i have an old school mATX desktop case that lies down on its side. Its funny what ive been able to fit in it. and it remains comfortably warm without sounding like a vacuum. Would someone please let me know if they come up with a x1950 agp that has a standard cooling solution and will be released in the US?

 

[Dr J]

Here are listed the most likely candidates:

http://www.gpureview.com/Radeon-X1950-Pro-AGP-card-471.html

As far as I know, we're supposed to start seeing these cards at the end of this month.

John

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: Dr J
Here are listed the most likely candidates:

http://www.gpureview.com/Radeon-X1950-Pro-AGP-card-471.html

As far as I know, we're supposed to start seeing these cards at the end of this month.

John

Seems tat diamond one is winner, as it is only that comes with 512MB DDR3.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: jrphoenix

Originally posted by: apoppin
don't worry about CPU limited at A64 2800 ... a mild Overclock would eliminate even that possibility ... your kid just needs to up the resolution/AA andor details to offload the work to the new x1900p

which should be ~ 30-50% faster then his current 6800gt

and ATi's drivers are as good as nvidia's ... greatly improved in the past 4 years

EDIT: where's my manners?

welcome to ATF, Owen

Wow 30-50% faster! Do they have benches comparing the card to a 6800 Ultra (that's what I've been stuck with since 2004 because of AGP). I'm very interested because I could get another year out of my system before I rebuild.

the only benches i could find that compared old and new cards was THG

and i kinda guessed

around 30% to 50% [max] faster
[but i am not sure if it was the 256 or 512MB vRAM version ... the PCIe card specs are identical to the AGP one]

MSRP is $250 ... i am waiting till competition among the partners and retailers takes effect ... i don't think this is a limited run.

 

[postmortemIA]

There won't be much of competition because only 2 companies are making them, and diamond has pretty much access limited to US only. If it is $250, then great.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
There won't be much of competition because only 2 companies are making them, and diamond has pretty much access limited to US only. If it is $250, then great.

there is always competition between the retailers

 

[wizzard0003]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
There won't be much of competition because only 2 companies are making them, and diamond has pretty much access limited to US only. If it is $250, then great.

Everyone will be making them. Best Buy is already taking pre-orders here in the USA for a VisionTek version HERE:

\\//_

Edit:
The price is a little high but, it IS Best Buy... Once there are more brands available the price should start to drop a little...

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: wizzard0003

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
There won't be much of competition because only 2 companies are making them, and diamond has pretty much access limited to US only. If it is $250, then great.

Everyone will be making them. Best Buy is already taking pre-orders here in the USA for a VisionTek version HERE:

\\//_

Edit:
The price is a little high but, it IS Best Buy... Once there are more brands available the price should start to drop a little...

Thanks for that info. Since I have 6 mos no interest at BB, obviously I'll get it as soon as they get them in local stores.

We can certainly start counting out days before it comes out.

 

[zcubed]

oh wow if its 300 at best buy it will definitely be at least 50 less on e-tailers websites. cant wait for this baby to hit newegg.com. bestbuy backorder says it will be available dec 8-21 .

 

[wizzard0003]

Originally posted by: zcubed
oh wow if its 300 at best buy it will definitely be at least 50 less on e-tailers websites. cant wait for this baby to hit newegg.com.

Not only that but, besides the Powercolor, GeCube and VisionTek offerings, I've heard of more G'Card manufacturers stating that they were also going to offer the X1950 Pro in an AGP version...

This will not only help drive the price down but also means more selection as far as features, included software, I/O, etc...

I've heard that at least 60% of Home PC's are still AGP and that most of the owners are perfectly happy with their systems and only want to upgrade the G'Card. This is a Significant market share and explains why ATI/nVidia are not ready to abandon AGP anytime soon... That would be a lot of potential customers to just "Throw Away"...

\\//_

 

[postmortemIA]

They were idiots thinking that consumers will replace perfectly capable systems with equivalent but with different expansion slot. The price of DDR2 memory, new processor, new motherboard, and new GPU is too much, it would cost me $700 for all that to be comparable with existing system.

 

[Cali3350]

Correct me if im wrong... but the X1950 Pro defeats the 7900 GT in pretty much every test, and the 7900 GT is pretty much a 7800GTX...you should get more then 30-50% improvement out of this from a 6800 Ultra.

Cant decide if i want to get this or build a new system this Christmas....ill have to see how this pans out.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Cali3350
Correct me if im wrong... but the X1950 Pro defeats the 7900 GT in pretty much every test, and the 7900 GT is pretty much a 7800GTX...you should get more then 30-50% improvement out of this from a 6800 Ultra.

Cant decide if i want to get this or build a new system this Christmas....ill have to see how this pans out.

Considering that you won't get DirectX10 support and that your system is getting long in the tooth for more than just the GPU, I would just jump for a new rig.

 

[wizzard0003]

The way I look at it, there are too many changes happening almost at once...

First there was DDR2 and within 6 months to a year there will be DDR3 (twice as fast as DDR2 and will cost LESS..!)..., and before you know it "Quad-Core"...

There is no reason, in my mind, to go jumping into a new platform right now until at least DDR3 becomes available and the price of DDR3 compatable systems level off and the usual "Bugs" are worked out of the new MB's/BIOS, etc...

Added to that, there are no G'Cards, AGP OR PCI-E that even come close to saturating the bandwidth available of even AGP... In the future this may happen, but not right NOW...

I could be wrong but, a G'Card like this X1950 Pro/AGP would, at the very Least, let an older system perform at the absolute best it could with out the graphics holding it back. If anything, it would be the CPU that would bottleneck.., but that would mean that you were getting every possible ounce of performance that your system could possibly give you...

That would give someone like me, who really Likes the system he already has, plenty of time to consider a future platform upgrade and LOTS of choices when/if I do and for a reasonable price...

Just my feelings regarding this card and an older AGP system...

\\//_

Edit:
Especially considering that this card can mostlikely be had in the $250 +/- range once it's more available...

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Cali3350
Correct me if im wrong... but the X1950 Pro defeats the 7900 GT in pretty much every test, and the 7900 GT is pretty much a 7800GTX...you should get more then 30-50% improvement out of this from a 6800 Ultra.

Cant decide if i want to get this or build a new system this Christmas....ill have to see how this pans out.

We have no idea how closely the 1950P AGP will come to 1950P PCIe. There could be a significant performance penalty, not necessarily due to the AGP architechture, but how the PCIe-optimized GPU sits on it.

 

[wizzard0003]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

We have no idea how closely the 1950P AGP will come to 1950P PCIe. There could be a significant performance penalty, not necessarily due to the AGP architechture, but how the PCIe-optimized GPU sits on it.

Agreed...

Until we see some reviews, it's all just speculation... I may end up going for a 7800GS in the end depending on how things pan out with this card...

We'll all just have to wait and see...

\\//_

 

[postmortemIA]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Cali3350
Correct me if im wrong... but the X1950 Pro defeats the 7900 GT in pretty much every test, and the 7900 GT is pretty much a 7800GTX...you should get more then 30-50% improvement out of this from a 6800 Ultra.

Cant decide if i want to get this or build a new system this Christmas....ill have to see how this pans out.

We have no idea how closely the 1950P AGP will come to 1950P PCIe. There could be a significant performance penalty, not necessarily due to the AGP architechture, but how the PCIe-optimized GPU sits on it.

Since GeForce 6600, all cards were "optimized" for PCI-e. And with bridge chips, they worked just as fast on AGP.

 

[AgonxOC]

So everyone awaits for the X1950 Pro.... I hope its at least 30 % faster than my X850XT PE which is bottlenecking me....


Alex

 

[Cali3350]

Again, from what i understand you should EASILY get 30% performance out of this. Essentially look at the 7800GTX or 7900GT reviews, this card is pretty much around there.