X1950 XTX or 7950GX2?

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Zebo

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IMO a 256MB x1900xt ($239) or 7900GTO ($249) is your best bet. Both can be tweaked near or even above a x1900xtx or 7900GTX performance.

$500 is too much to spend on a Dx9 card right now with 8800's around the corner.

I like the evga 7900GTO route dispite being a little slower because you can parley that whole $249 into a evga 8800 when they come.

Disregaurd the fool who says you need 2GB of ram. Xbit labs ran tests of all modern games 1GB vs 2GB and 2GB showed nominal improvments. Nothing to write home about and certainly not worth it at current ram prices. If you're building a new system sure go ahead...
 

Zebo

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I just looked at your system..you have a DFI nF4 Ultra-D which is SLI able.. If you're thinking about GX2 I'd Get two GTO's which would beat the snot out of GX2 and be much quieter.
 

Zebo

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I thought he was thinking about it but I replied nevertheless as others are in same corrundum.
 

BFG10K

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For those that run older games, or games that aren't too gpu-intensive, the extra AA modes that Nvidia offers are nice to have.
Agreed.

For newer games, especially when played at 1600x1200 or above (1680x1050 in this case), the 8xSS and above modes don't work very well. I tried 8xSS on a few games (UT2004, FarCry, Source games) with my 7800GTs@550/1300 and it wasn't very playable.
You can run newer games with 8xS if you drop the resolution. As for Source games HL2 runs fine at 1760x1320 and Vampire Bloodlines at 1600x1200 with 8xS on my single 7900 GTX.

Also there's the other issue of TrAA being a lot better than AAA.

Still, if Nvidia is the vendor of choice whats the reason to get a 7900GTX over a 7900GTO?
I don't like to overclock so I usually get the fastest factory specs I can.
 

Ardan

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Originally posted by: Zebo
I thought he was thinking about it but I replied nevertheless as others are in same corrundum.

Yes, I was going to get one of these now so you read my initial post correctly. In later posts, people had valid points about G80 and I then changed my mind as a result. 50% of the reason I changed my mind is that I was unaware of the fast approaching date for the release of those cards. I was hoping for something soon, yes, but its much wiser to just wait 2 or 3 weeks and get the next generation, like people pointed out. Maybe i'll get a slightly bigger case with a better design than the one I have now while I wait. Still, i'm sure the discussion will help others.

I didn't realize the nF4 Ultra-D was SLI-capable, either. I'm going to stick with a single card anyways.
 

Ardan

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Well I guess I won't be waiting. The fan on the video card stopped working one day while I was at work! Very strange and thus my long run of consistently good electronics purchases ends . I guess I will be going for the X1950 XTX after all .
 

nib95

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Originally posted by: BFG10K
I would go with neither. Get a 7900 GTX instead.

A 7950GX2 won't run on any motherboard so it becomes a problem when you want to upgrade your motherboard and also when you want to sell the card.

2GB is no myth. In games like Fear, BF2, BF 2142, Quake 4, and all/most new games you will need more than 1GB to max out settings.
That's great but it's also irrelevant. His 6800GS is a far bigger bottleneck than 1 GB RAM is.

You just recommended a 7900 GTX over a similarly priced X1950 XTX?
What the HELL is wrong with you.

Never give out any advice again. EVER. LOL.
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Ardan
Well I guess I won't be waiting. The fan on the video card stopped working one day while I was at work! Very strange and thus my long run of consistently good electronics purchases ends . I guess I will be going for the X1950 XTX after all .

Good choice. You won't be unhappy with it. Make sure you pick up the Cat 6.10's. My take on it, it's fast, it's quiet (I only ever hear the fan right at power on for about 2 seconds when it spins up to full). IQ is fabulous. Oblivion looks pretty with everything maxed out at 1680x1050.
 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: BFG10K
Wont run on any?? i think im missing something.. lol
As in not every motherboard is supported:

Click.

If you get a 7950 your motherboard choices will be limited and it becomes harder to sell the card too.

You can get an X1950XTX for $400, but you recommend a 7900 GTX for what newegg shows as $430+
At this stage I wouldn't buy an ATi card due to lacking drivers and AA quality.

But yeah, it is best to wait but I thought the OP was in a hurry.

umm..actually 7950gx2 will work even if the motherboard doesn't support it, just that it will only be using single GPU. Even if the OPs mb isn't on that list , it may still be compatible, all he has to do to find out is to call his mb maker.

most likely it will work with his mb.

you gotta be crazy recommanding a 7900gtx over 7950gx2 at similar price..
 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: Ardan
Well I guess I won't be waiting. The fan on the video card stopped working one day while I was at work! Very strange and thus my long run of consistently good electronics purchases ends . I guess I will be going for the X1950 XTX after all .

why not x1900xt? similar performance at much lower prices..
with g80 out, likely 1950xtx will have a huge price drop..
 

josh6079

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umm..actually 7950gx2 will work even if the motherboard doesn't support it, just that it will only be using single GPU.
Sweet Jesus, here we go again...
Even if the OPs mb isn't on that list , it may still be compatible...
Which ones? What motherboards are not on that list but still allow to use the 7950GX2's SLI attributes?
you gotta be crazy recommanding a 7900gtx over 7950gx2 at similar price...
Not if his motherboard doesn't support a 7950GX2. Besides, the 7950GX2's selling for ~$100 more than a 7900GTX.

I don't see why any advice matters anymore considering he's getting the X1950XTX. Not much more we can do if he's already picked a card.
 

Ardan

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Originally, I was undecided on both of those cards, hence the original post. People in here seemed to lean towards the X1950 XTX, and my findings in general leaned towards that one instead. I saw instances in games that I do play (which are all at 1680x1050, if the game supports the resolution) where the 7950GX2 pretty much offered no performance advantage over the X1950 XTX. I have had fantastic experiences with both companies, so it was tough to decide. People on here were part of the deciding factor, though. I wasn't hell bent on either one for a long time.

For the record, the motherboard I use (since I saw debates about it) is a DFI LANparty UT nF4 Ultra-D and I use an Athlon 64 X2 4200+ that I now have overclocked (as of a few days ago) to 2.4Ghz. 2.6Ghz/core was great and stable, but the performance didn't increase much in the work that I do so I left it at 2.4Ghz (but at least I have that option available in the future). The computer was running and someone decided to play a game when the fan suddenly stopped working on the video card and it really hosed up that card. A backup card that I used to have was given by me to a relative, too, so that PC isn't doing me any good today without a video card in it.

Also, I didn't go with the X1900XT because, with an average price of $363 and the X1950 XTX being around $400-$420, it really isn't that much more inexpensive that it would make your eyes pop out in amazement. Also, like noted in Anandtech's review of the X1950 XTX, I have seen one of those cards at someone's house and the X1900 XT has such an annoying fan. That has got to be the loudest fan on a graphics card that i've heard, and they pointed out the irritating fan in their review as well. The system I saw an X1950 XTX in was much quieter when in games, and I like that difference as well. I do not have a computer that sounds like an apache helicopter, so I surely would've heard that shrill, high-pitched fan and have been driven crazy by it. I like all the improvements they made over the X1900XT and since I can afford to buy a 1950XTX, I went with that instead of saving a little bit of money. If I'm playing games using DirectX 10 and absolutely, for some weird reason, need a new DirectX 10 card later next year, I will just go buy one. I know for a fact that I won't be strapped for cash next year (and i'm not right now either) so a high-end purchase right now isn't a bad idea for me. I usually don't like to buy the first generation of new video cards and like to wait a little while anyways. Thats why I went with the X1950 XTX over the X1900 XT and if that isn't acceptable, well then thats fine .

I purchased it on Newegg this morning and I'm having it rush processed and shipped overnight via FedEx. It appears to have been shipped out before 2pm Central (i'm in Minnesota), so it looks like I will have it tomorrow by 3pm.
 

Ardan

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Ardan
Well I guess I won't be waiting. The fan on the video card stopped working one day while I was at work! Very strange and thus my long run of consistently good electronics purchases ends . I guess I will be going for the X1950 XTX after all .

Good choice. You won't be unhappy with it. Make sure you pick up the Cat 6.10's. My take on it, it's fast, it's quiet (I only ever hear the fan right at power on for about 2 seconds when it spins up to full). IQ is fabulous. Oblivion looks pretty with everything maxed out at 1680x1050.

Thanks, SunnyD! Thats what everyone says, and i'm sure happy to hear that!
 

TanisHalfElven

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Originally posted by: akshayt
2GB is no myth. In games like Fear, BF2, BF 2142, Quake 4, and all/most new games you will need more than 1GB to max out settings.

oh hush.
i can't believe the after reputation you've built in the video forum you still bother to post.
 

TanisHalfElven

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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Originally posted by: BFG10K
I would go with neither. Get a 7900 GTX instead.

A 7950GX2 won't run on any motherboard so it becomes a problem when you want to upgrade your motherboard and also when you want to sell the card.

2GB is no myth. In games like Fear, BF2, BF 2142, Quake 4, and all/most new games you will need more than 1GB to max out settings.
That's great but it's also irrelevant. His 6800GS is a far bigger bottleneck than 1 GB RAM is.

Wont run on any?? i think im missing something.. lol

Check for the motherboards listed as supported for the GX2. The 7950GX2 is the fastest card out even with HQ.

But with G80 (8800GTX and 8800GTS) coming out in couple of weeks, why bother buy the cards you mentioned. With the 8800GTS being priced at $499 MSRP, im sure it will be better of than buying the GX2 or even the XTX.

Edit - hard launch at Novemeber 16th.

he probably meant JUST ANY
 

hans030390

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The 7950gx2 is generally faster, but it's AA/AF isn't "as good" as ATI (which is only noticable when you take a picture and then zoom up 500% in the image...yeesh).

Also, you need to consider price and compatibility. I'd imagine the ATI is more compatible.

If you want the most speed, go with the 7950gx2.
 

Nightmare225

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Originally posted by: hans030390
The 7950gx2 is generally faster, but it's AA/AF isn't "as good" as ATI (which is only noticable when you take a picture and then zoom up 500% in the image...yeesh).

Also, you need to consider price and compatibility. I'd imagine the ATI is more compatible.

If you want the most speed, go with the 7950gx2.

Plus, the 7950GX2 takes up less space, uses less power, and runs cooler even though it uses two cores. I like mine. However, I don't really think you can go wrong either way.
 

TheRyuu

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Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Originally posted by: hans030390
The 7950gx2 is generally faster, but it's AA/AF isn't "as good" as ATI (which is only noticable when you take a picture and then zoom up 500% in the image...yeesh).

Also, you need to consider price and compatibility. I'd imagine the ATI is more compatible.

If you want the most speed, go with the 7950gx2.

Plus, the 7950GX2 takes up less space, uses less power, and runs cooler even though it uses two cores. I like mine. However, I don't really think you can go wrong either way.

Generally speaking, ATI has better IQ then Nvidia. Some people prefer Nvidia's AA though (i'm talking 4xAA vs. 4xAA, not 8xS or crazy sh!t like that) but I can't tell the difference.

For SINGLE gpu's I have to lean toward ATI right now. Their X1950XTX is the clear winner. People complain and bitch about ATI's drivers but I wonder if they actually ever used them, recently.

And there are alternatives. You have ATI Tray Tools if you hate the CCC so much (I'd still install the CCC just in case you need it.) and then just use RivaTuner to overclock it.

There really not that much to bitch about with ATI drivers. There stable, I generally don't have a problem with them (the last few Nvidia ones I have had problems with) and they come out in nice regular intervals with the new one generally being better then the older one (some exceptions though like with the Warcat's 6.6's+Chuck ruled all for a while)

With Nvidia you get 1000 different drivers per month and your left to sort through all the ****** for that nice driver that pwns all (thats what Tweaksrus is for, they know their drivers over there).

So with regards to picking a company over their drivers? I really don't see why you would. Both companies have their ups and downs about their drivers and you can pretty much get alternative ways of accessing the options with both drivers (NVTray/ATI Tray Tools/RivaTuner/etc...)

And make sure to rub it in everyone's faces that you can run AA+HDR in Oblivion.
(but hopefully, nvidia will have that pretty soon anyway )
 

Cookie Monster

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Wait for the 8800GTS. Debuting at $449 MSRP, it gives the buyer everything you want.

-DX10
-Cooler that dumps heat out of case
-Best of both worlds in IQ (AA and AF)
-Performance
-HDR plus AA
-and other stuff.

All this coming at Nov 8th.
 

Elfear

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Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Plus, the 7950GX2 takes up less space

They are both dual-slot and the 7950GX2 is actually 5mm longer.

uses less power

The GX2 uses 10-15W less at load but 15-20W more at idle. Which state do you think most video cards are in the majority of the time?

and runs cooler even though it uses two cores.

Most reports show the two loading at approximately the same temp (75-80C).


 

Elfear

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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Wait for the 8800GTS. Debuting at $449 MSRP, it gives the buyer everything you want.

-DX10
-Cooler that dumps heat out of case
-Best of both worlds in IQ (AA and AF)
-Performance
-HDR plus AA
-and other stuff.

All this coming at Nov 8th.

It's good advice to wait for G80 to arrive to see some benchmarks, but do you really think the GTS will be going for $499 anytime soon?
 

Ardan

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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Wait for the 8800GTS. Debuting at $449 MSRP, it gives the buyer everything you want.

-DX10
-Cooler that dumps heat out of case
-Best of both worlds in IQ (AA and AF)
-Performance
-HDR plus AA
-and other stuff.

All this coming at Nov 8th.

I already purchased one because my video card, if you missed those posts. The video card i'm using now got all messed up and I no longer have a backup video card. I do some important work on my PC that would be greatly hampered if I waited another week. I am currently borrowing my other half's laptop to type this, but all my work is on that PC and I can't rely on this laptop (because she needs it for work). I understand that the G80 core will be good and I did plan to wait, but things can change in the blink of an eye. I gave reasons why I went with the X1950 XTX and why I feel that it will be just fine for a great while for me. Like I mentioned before, if I seriously have some pressing need for a DirectX 10 card late next year, I have no qualms (and will have the money) simply buying another one and selling this card. I didn't want to buy some cheap card to tide me over just to buy another card in a week, so I went with a good one now so I could get it over with. I'm sure, given my gaming habits, that I will not need a DirectX 10 card as soon as humanly possible. Maybe other people will need one, but it definitely won't be me. I doubt i'm going to buy Vista right away anyways .
 
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