X2 4400+ OC

[Boyo]

I currently have my X2 4400+ OC'd to 2.67GHz. I have an air cooled rig with an Arctic Freezer 64 Pro. How much can this chip get? 2.8GHz or am I dreaming?

 

[Zenoth]

I heard and read that the 89W version can over-clock up to 2.8 Ghz on air. And the older 110W version can't manage anything that good even on water cooling. I know that in my case, 2.5 Ghz isn't stable, and that 2.6 Ghz won't even POST. I tried many things, but no go. The thing is, I don't know how to make sure my model is 89W or 110W. But I guess it wouldn't matter anyway since I tried pretty much everything I could.

If you're stable at 2.67 Ghz, be proud of it and stay there before you srew up your stability. If you want to try for 2.7+, go ahead but be sure to take notes of your current BIOS settings to get back where it was before it became un-stable if it ever becomes so.

 

[Mucker]

My 89 watter is stable at 2706 MHz @ 1.475v, but runs about 60C/60C with both cores full bore in Orthos. Game temps are less than 48C (because my games only utilize 1 core). Going any higher with heat and voltage is not worth the very little gain left in this chip.

All said and done, it is working out well for me.........

Will switch to Intel next spring..........

 

[Zenoth]

Mucker just a question, you might know: How can I tell if my 4400+ is 89W or 110W ?

Do I have to look at the CPU itself ? Any stickers ? Any numbers on the bill I need to look for ?

 

[Mucker]

The 89w chips are designated ADV while the 110w chips are ADA.....

http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADA4400DAA6CD

http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADV4400DAA6CD

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: Mucker
The 89w chips are designated ADV while the 110w chips are ADA.....

http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADA4400DAA6CD

http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/details.aspx?opn=ADV4400DAA6CD

Well, thanks, but there's no place I can find any ADA or ADV.

It says it's the Ordering Part Number ... but where can I actually see it, I don't know.

If it's on the chip itself, then I'll not be able to tell since it's covered with thermal paste. I've looked on the retail box, nothing, and I've looked on the bill, still nothing.

 

[Mucker]

The barcode on the top of my retail box has an OPN number that reads ADV4400CDBOX, I can't remember if I saw it on the chip though.....

 

[hennethannun]

My 89W 4400+ can do 2.75 ghz at 1.37V prime stable (10 hours). that is with the stock AMD heatpipe cooler (which i think is about as good as a regular XP-90. Load temp of 55C with Probe II and about 64C with Core Temp. If i had a better cooler I am sure I could get 2.8ghz on the same voltage, and probably even higher if I was willing to go to 1.4V or above...

as is, i run at a light overclock (220x11) for 4800+ speeds. it idles in the high 20s C (with the cooler autumn weather) and loads up around 48C.

ADV is the 89W variant.

never tried OCing an ADA 110W 4400+, but i think the air-cooled ceiling on all the s939 X2s was between 2.5 and 2.8ghz depending on luck, with the very best chips hitting 3 ghz with exotic water systems.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: hennethannun
My 89W 4400+ can do 2.75 ghz at 1.37V prime stable (10 hours). that is with the stock AMD heatpipe cooler (which i think is about as good as a regular XP-90. Load temp of 55C with Probe II and about 64C with Core Temp. If i had a better cooler I am sure I could get 2.8ghz on the same voltage, and probably even higher if I was willing to go to 1.4V or above...

Did your 4400+ come with the original heatpipe cooler that was boxy with a 60mm fan in the middle and heatpipes on both sides, or the new style heatpipe cooler that looks like this?

The second gen heatpipe cooler (as seein in the review) is about as good as an XP-90 (which is really saying something!), but the first gen one was maybe halfway in between the regular (junk) cooler and the new style heatpipe cooler.

 

[hennethannun]

actually my 4400+ 89W came with the standard aluminum cooler (the same one that every A64 single core comes with). I think that all of the high efficiency processors come with the junk heatsink (i guess everything in life is a give and take huh?).

however, I did have access to a second gen (4) heatpipe cooler, so I used that one. And yup, I read that review which is why i said my cooler was about equivalent to an xp-90.

 

[Vanditz]

can you people post your bios settings? I am having trouble OC my 4400+. What is your ram divider on (1T, 2T) and HTT? thanks

 

[hennethannun]

well, I got 2.75ghz at 250 x 11. so that is FSB of 250mhz, which means an HTT of 4 is right on the nose (250x4=1ghz ie stock speed).

as for the RAM divider, I had it set to 333mhz in BIOS which ends up being about 4:5 (I think that is how the wacky ASUS board mem dividers work) so the memory is hovering right around DDR 400. I could probably run the memory at 250 1:1 if I loosen the timings, but I just haven't had time to try that yet and see if the overall performance is any better...

also I disabled a bunch of things in BIOS that were not necessary since I was just trying to see what the cpu was capable of. So legacy USB support, C'n'Q, flppy drive, silicon SATA controller etc were all disabled.
PCI clock locked at 33mhz, PCIe clock locked at 100mhz. VDIMM was set to stock since i didn't really OC the RAM at all.

 

[XMan]

I don't know if mine is wonky or what, I had to set it to 1.425V to get it to boot into Windows at 2.4 (10x240). I'm going to keep playing with it and see what happens. Any ideas are appreciated.

 

[hennethannun]

xman,
you may just have some bad luck there. assuming you have everything else set properly (RAM timings and Hypertransport link), having to go up above 1.4 just to get a bootable 2.4ghz seems somewhat low. Most X2s will at least get up to 2.5ghz.

what, exactly, are your BIOS settings and Specs?

 

[XMan]

I had a Venice single core running 9x250, so I left everything pretty much the same as before, just changed the voltage and dropped the FSB down to 240 to try and start low.

This is with a DFI RS482 Infinity . . . 7/11/2006 BIOS.

All DRAM timings are set to autio, drive strength is 1.14x.

HT Link - enabled
Upstream LDT - 16 bit
Downstream LDT - 16 bit

Cool and Quiet disabled

DLL speed override enabled.
DLL speed - low.

CPU Multi - x10
Bus ratio - x4 800Mhz
Bus speed - 240 MHz
DRAM ratio - 6/5

 

[Capt Caveman]

I'm able to run my X2 4400+ 110w at 2.8ghz (280x10) stable using a XP-120 heatsink. However, that was when I had Crucial Ballistix ram that could run 280mhz 1:1. My temps were in the mid-40s when folding on one core and when gaming would go into the mid-50s.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: hennethannun
xman,
you may just have some bad luck there. assuming you have everything else set properly (RAM timings and Hypertransport link), having to go up above 1.4 just to get a bootable 2.4ghz seems somewhat low. Most X2s will at least get up to 2.5ghz.

what, exactly, are your BIOS settings and Specs?

Heh . . . I switched to a TForce6100-939 and now it runs stably at 2.5 GHz. Interesting, Infinity is supposed to be a great O/C board . . .

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: XMan

Originally posted by: hennethannun
xman,
you may just have some bad luck there. assuming you have everything else set properly (RAM timings and Hypertransport link), having to go up above 1.4 just to get a bootable 2.4ghz seems somewhat low. Most X2s will at least get up to 2.5ghz.

what, exactly, are your BIOS settings and Specs?

Heh . . . I switched to a TForce6100-939 and now it runs stably at 2.5 GHz. Interesting, Infinity is supposed to be a great O/C board . . .

Was running at 10x250; now running at 11x240 for 2.64 GHz! Weird . . . I love this TForce!

 

[customcoms]

The infinity is a harder board to overclock (much more ram timings and ram "picky"-once you learn them its not that bad), so thats probably why you had less luck. Not knocking the TForce, many people say that it is a great board (Biostar has really started to pick it up and offer some GREAT value boards for the enthusiast).

My Opteron gets into the upper 40's/low 50's under full load at 2.7ghz, stock cooling and voltage. I would say that it is hands down THE BEST processor I have spent money on.

Those "Second gen" heatsinks are actually third gen, btw. My Opty, which is 3 weeks old, came with the second gen, which is a two heatpipe/80mm fan heatsink. Its pretty good, much better than a stock A64 cooler.

Good luck with your overclocks!

 

[Boyo]

The best I can get with my 4400+ is 2.64GHz (240x11) with the HT at 3x and my RAM at 1:1 using 2.5-3-2-6 1T. Everytime I try and go beyond 240x11 I crash. Even when using a 8x multiplier and my RAM set at 100MHz. Not sure why it tops off here, but that's the best I can get with an AC Freezer 64 Pro.

 

[dahuang1]

Sorry about the noob question - but is the 2.6 you are getting on your 4400 just 0.2 better than my 2.4 on my 3000? I remember, waaay back in the day that you couldn't compare a 486 (hahaha) DX & DX2 60MHz!!! ha ha... we've come a long way baby. Anyways - does the clock on the old a64 chip compare to the a64 x2 chip (excepting the dual core, which seems doesn't really matter anyways unless you have one of those special programs that utilizes it)?

 

[SkylineRider]

I'm a first-time overclocker (newbie). I got this 4400+ (Toledo) baby overclocked to 2.73ghz @ 1.46-1.49 volts. This is done at 260 FSB x 10.5 with the Thermaltake Big Typhoon (39* idle, 54* full-load). It passed Prime95 for 17 hours. I can get it up to 2.8ghz too, but then the CPU would run at 1.6+ volts, which I didn't like at all. So I lowered it down to 2.73ghz and I'm happy with it

 

[Rottie]

correct me if I am wrong is 89w is AM2 and 110w skt939 right?

 

[tallman45]

Originally posted by: Rottie
correct me if I am wrong is 89w is AM2 and 110w skt939 right?

Some 939 x2's are 89W, some 110W
Some AM2 X2's are 65W, some 89W

AMD Wattage Chart

 

[dahuang1]

Do the a64 chips compare GHz to GHz to the x2 / opt chipsets for real world non-dual core program performance?