X38 Chipset

[GhandiInstinct]

Originally posted by: Gary Key

Add to all this mess, the new G92 graphics cards from Nvidia with DirectX10.1 support. While 8800GTX's now still cost near $600.

Do not count on the G92 until sometime next year (probably early spring) if that helps the budget. You can expect the price slides on the GTX cards to occur over the holiday season based on current chip/memory prices to the manufacturers for Q4 production rates. There is no need for NVIDIA to release the follow-up until AMD is ready with the R700 series.

According to http://neoseeker.com/news/story/7028/

It states Q4 this year.

Which is why I'm so confused.


I have a P4 3.2, X800XL and I can't run BioShock because I don't have shader 3, Crysis is coming out soon and my budget is not that tight but I don't want to buy expendable products.

 

[Blacklash]

I am eager to see how X38 overclocks with quad core. If the differences aren't large I am getting a mid range P35 mobo. I use a single overclocked 8800GTX and am not interested in SLi or Crossfire.

Heck I may do P35 anyway because all I need is on the order of 463 x 8 to hit 3.7GHz.

 

[GEOrifle]

I'm on the same boat ChandiInstinct and going to wait until November for X38 and 8900,
i don't know about CPU (Q or 6850 ?) but right now don't know what to do, have 9800PRO
and was going to buy X1950PRO AGP(512-256mb ???) until it.
Should i waste another ~$200 for AGP card if i will buy next generation PC?

P.S.

8800 GTX to be dethroned in November?

The steady march of GPU technology continues, as details about NVIDIA's next flagship card are surfacing. While most of the information available right now is based on rumor, what is known for certain is that the next King GPU is codenamed the G92 -- and it's going to be blazingly fast.

Here are some of the rumors floating about the Internets:

it'll offer around 1 TERRAFLOP of computational performance
the clock speed is going to be somewhere between the 800 and 850 MHZ mark
sticking with the nomenclature of the current generation, there'll be a 9800 GTS and GTX
it'll be the first PCI Express 2.0 card
looks like it'll also support a new DirectX 10.1 standard, and Open GL 3.0
it'll have a DisplayPort connector (the new digital display interface standard)
be built with a 65 nm fabrication process
double precision support (floating-point 64)
an GTX2 version might come very soon after launch (2 GPUS on one card, like a 7950 GX2)
could be almost as twice as fast as a 8800 Ultra (as crazy as that may sound)
might sport a gigabyte of GDDR4 memory
Keep in mind these are all rumors.

As for NVIDIA's mid-range card, it is codenamed the G98. Not much is known about it, other than it won't sport a 128-bit controller, like the somewhat underwhelming 8600 GT/GTS cards. And it also appears that NVIDIA is sticking with the plan of releasing the high-end G92 GPU in Q4 ? quite possibly November ? and then releasing mid-range and low-end cards in the spring.

 

[Blacklash]

I've had my GTX since last November. I wouldn't mind another killer card from nVidia this November.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: GhandiInstinct

Originally posted by: Gary Key

Add to all this mess, the new G92 graphics cards from Nvidia with DirectX10.1 support. While 8800GTX's now still cost near $600.

Do not count on the G92 until sometime next year (probably early spring) if that helps the budget. You can expect the price slides on the GTX cards to occur over the holiday season based on current chip/memory prices to the manufacturers for Q4 production rates. There is no need for NVIDIA to release the follow-up until AMD is ready with the R700 series.

According to http://neoseeker.com/news/story/7028/

It states Q4 this year.

Which is why I'm so confused.


I have a P4 3.2, X800XL and I can't run BioShock because I don't have shader 3, Crysis is coming out soon and my budget is not that tight but I don't want to buy expendable products.

They will likely release it in November or so, but I doubt you will be able to purchase one at anything near MSRP until after the holiday season.

 

[Gary Key]

Originally posted by: GhandiInstinct

Originally posted by: Gary Key

Add to all this mess, the new G92 graphics cards from Nvidia with DirectX10.1 support. While 8800GTX's now still cost near $600.

Do not count on the G92 until sometime next year (probably early spring) if that helps the budget. You can expect the price slides on the GTX cards to occur over the holiday season based on current chip/memory prices to the manufacturers for Q4 production rates. There is no need for NVIDIA to release the follow-up until AMD is ready with the R700 series.

According to http://neoseeker.com/news/story/7028/

It states Q4 this year.

Which is why I'm so confused.


I have a P4 3.2, X800XL and I can't run BioShock because I don't have shader 3, Crysis is coming out soon and my budget is not that tight but I don't want to buy expendable products.

I am just going off information provided by the video card suppliers who were told not to expect a launch until Q1 or so. NVIDIA might do a preemptive technology launch to show off the new chipset, they might even do a limited launch at the ultra-high end for marketing purposes (tape-out is very close by the way), but right now the majority of the video card suppliers are not expecting to launch full scale production until Q1 or so. Hopefully, NV will have the Vista drivers for the current 8xxx series in decent shape by then and maybe even some decent platform drivers.

In regards to X38, we expect Santa Claus to visit us soon.

 

[bh33]

Gary thanks for the info now I know you'll have the x38 board in your hands soon but do you have any idea on when it should hit the mainstream market?

 

[Nemesis 1]

I thought some might find this interesting . I most certainly do. 6x multiplier isn't looking all that bad now.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....=view&id=2625&Itemid=1

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Abit IP35-E is good up to 500MHz FSB. Runs cool and quiet with a stable BIOS. Board is capable of running four sticks of RAM up to 564MHz. @ $70 AR (MWAVE), this is the undisputed king of value and performance.

undisputed king of value and performance, who says that where?

Personally at this point in time I'd pick a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R over the IP35-E.

Abit as a company doesn't care about people, really poor management.

 

[Gary Key]

When it comes to stock performance, the X38 and P35 are basically the same, or at least the P35 is within a couple of percent on current pre-release samples. Intel designed the X38 for overclocking, improved CPU throughput/performance with the Penryns, efficient bus transfers, multi-GPU enhancements, and DDR3-2000+ performance along with a few other items we will discuss shortly. Once the manufacturers have some time tuning the chipset, expect to see its performance when overclocked to exceed that of the P35 by some meaningful and measurable differences. DDR2 performance is really the area where the board suppliers have been spending a lot of time tuning and testing to bring it up to the speed of the P35 boards. We should know how successful they are shortly.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Abit IP35-E is good up to 500MHz FSB. Runs cool and quiet with a stable BIOS. Board is capable of running four sticks of RAM up to 564MHz. @ $70 AR (MWAVE), this is the undisputed king of value and performance.

undisputed king of value and performance, who says that where?

Personally at this point in time I'd pick a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R over the IP35-E.

Abit as a company doesn't care about people, really poor management.

Perhaps you can EDUCATE us to why the Gigabyte is a better boad. The IP35-E is only $70 AR. And please don't post advertising BS about solid caps, ferrite core, etc.... Give us real-world performance numbers.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1But AMD 64 lost a few benches to Intel P4 with HT.

Wow, teally? And where? because not here, in real world tests (animation company), I can tell you that.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Abit IP35-E is good up to 500MHz FSB. Runs cool and quiet with a stable BIOS. Board is capable of running four sticks of RAM up to 564MHz. @ $70 AR (MWAVE), this is the undisputed king of value and performance.

undisputed king of value and performance, who says that where?

Personally at this point in time I'd pick a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R over the IP35-E.

Abit as a company doesn't care about people, really poor management.

I have astrong feeling you are just as clueless about technolgy as clueless about Abit's corporate history... isgust;

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Abit IP35-E is good up to 500MHz FSB. Runs cool and quiet with a stable BIOS. Board is capable of running four sticks of RAM up to 564MHz. @ $70 AR (MWAVE), this is the undisputed king of value and performance.

undisputed king of value and performance, who says that where?

Personally at this point in time I'd pick a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R over the IP35-E.

Abit as a company doesn't care about people, really poor management.

Perhaps you can EDUCATE us to why the Gigabyte is a better boad. The IP35-E is only $70 AR. And please don't post advertising BS about solid caps, ferrite core, etc.... Give us real-world performance numbers.

I'd say IP35 regular is a better deal: IIRC Mwave has a nice rebate on it so it comes down to $90-100 AR and has a MUCH BETTER cooling - IP35-E is really barefoot board, with very minimal cooling and features.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Abit IP35-E is good up to 500MHz FSB. Runs cool and quiet with a stable BIOS. Board is capable of running four sticks of RAM up to 564MHz. @ $70 AR (MWAVE), this is the undisputed king of value and performance.

undisputed king of value and performance, who says that where?

Personally at this point in time I'd pick a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R over the IP35-E.

Abit as a company doesn't care about people, really poor management.

Perhaps you can EDUCATE us to why the Gigabyte is a better boad. The IP35-E is only $70 AR. And please don't post advertising BS about solid caps, ferrite core, etc.... Give us real-world performance numbers.

I'd say IP35 regular is a better deal: IIRC Mwave has a nice rebate on it so it comes down to $90-100 AR and has a MUCH BETTER cooling - IP35-E is really barefoot board, with very minimal cooling and features.

$135 - $25 rebate = $110 @ MWAVE. Need to touch-up on your grade-school subtraction.

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/vie...a=BA23928&RSKU=BA23928

 

[AMDfreak]

Originally posted by: nrb

Originally posted by: Gary Key

Originally posted by: nrb
Do you think there will be any boards that support x8/x8/x8/x8 quad-Crossfire?

The upcoming AMD 790 supports 2x16 or 4x8 CrossFire configurations and Quad CrossFire does work with Phenom.

You know perfectly well I meant "any X38 boards".

It doesn't seem utterly unfeasible. I mean, the MSI board has two x16 slots and two x4 slots for a total of 40 lanes. That's more than enough to offer four x8 slots with some left over.

They'd have to be single-slot cards, but there's a suggestion that RV670 may be single-slot.

I wonder if Asus could do something like the P35 Blitz boards with two of their Crosslinx chips.....

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Abit IP35-E is good up to 500MHz FSB. Runs cool and quiet with a stable BIOS. Board is capable of running four sticks of RAM up to 564MHz. @ $70 AR (MWAVE), this is the undisputed king of value and performance.

undisputed king of value and performance, who says that where?

Personally at this point in time I'd pick a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R over the IP35-E.

Abit as a company doesn't care about people, really poor management.

its only good to 440 or so (on quads), the abit is faster and cheaper.

 

[MadMurph]

Originally posted by: AMDfreak
I wonder if Asus could do something like the P35 Blitz boards with two of their Crosslinx chips.....

I'm still confused as to why the imminent release of the X38 is drawing so much speculation when the ASUS Blitz series of M/B's has yet to hit the mainland. Especially, given how highly touted they have been in the reviews I've read, to date. It would seem odd, perhaps only to me, that an ASUS X38 would hit our shores before any of the Blitz boards.

Perhaps the Grand Guru of Gary and his "FHWMNBN", could shed some light on this, for if the trend holds true, all you guys lining your duckets up for the big purchase won't have any thing to blow it on until... um...say Christmas. I'm still waiting for the elusive Blitz Formula. And not so patiently.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: DasFox

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Abit IP35-E is good up to 500MHz FSB. Runs cool and quiet with a stable BIOS. Board is capable of running four sticks of RAM up to 564MHz. @ $70 AR (MWAVE), this is the undisputed king of value and performance.

undisputed king of value and performance, who says that where?

Personally at this point in time I'd pick a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R over the IP35-E.

Abit as a company doesn't care about people, really poor management.

Perhaps you can EDUCATE us to why the Gigabyte is a better boad. The IP35-E is only $70 AR. And please don't post advertising BS about solid caps, ferrite core, etc.... Give us real-world performance numbers.

I'd say IP35 regular is a better deal: IIRC Mwave has a nice rebate on it so it comes down to $90-100 AR and has a MUCH BETTER cooling - IP35-E is really barefoot board, with very minimal cooling and features.

$135 - $25 rebate = $110 @ MWAVE. Need to touch-up on your grade-school subtraction.

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/vie...a=BA23928&RSKU=BA23928

IIRC = if I remember correctly

You need to learn how to fuckin read instead of being a typical pathetic smart@ss without fuckin clue whatsoever. isgust;

BTW if you are being so freakin' pedant then at least quote precisely: $134.40 - $25 = $109.40...

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
P35 represents the best value between now and mid 08. High quality DDR3 should also remain very expensive well into 08.

Once again another post pulled out of your bottom parts - how would you know, seriously? X38 isn't even out yet - yet you alreasdy KNOW how it's going to perform etc.
Makes no sense to me...

I doubt that the real-world performance between X38 and P35 would amount to more than a few %.

I'm quite sure it will be more than that - for example it's more than likely you can finally use two or more full-blown x16 cards in SLI, let alone the PCIE2.0 support which will come handy from 2008. You seem to forget nothing is about CPU OC only but other things as well.

If someone in dire need of a CHEAP mainboard NOW then I agree, probably things won't change for another 2 months at least for him.
However anybody else like someone is about to buy a decent mainstream OC board like I am then I think it makes no sense not to wait another 2-3 weeeks and see how things shake out. Hell if nothing but P35 prices will go down anyway including top boards... for future-proof board X38 will make a lot more sense too.

 

[Saesch]

As Intel has moved the launch date of the X38 to the 9th of september, does anyone have some news from the big three about launch dates of their products? Perhaps something new from your sources Gary Key

Secon question: Does anyone have some additional information about a DDR2/DDR3 X38 combo board from GigaByte and Asus? I know that MSI (X38 Diamond) and Foxconn (X38A) will release such combo boards but I haven't heard anything about the Asus and GigaByte in this direction.

 

[Gary Key]

Press Embargo was still 9/23 this morning (that could change) but expect to see boards on sale by the 9th, I have two retail boards now, just waiting on a BIOS update before releasing some information here.

 

[MadMurph]

Originally posted by: Gary Key
Press Embargo was still 9/23 this morning (that could change) but expect to see boards on sale by the 9th, I have two retail boards now, just waiting on a BIOS update before releasing some information here.

still curious about the question in my ^^^^post. Hmmm?

 

[Cookie Monster]

I still think X38 will be not able to do SLi.

Whats the nVIDIA intel chipset that is going to compete against the upcoming X38s?

 

[DevanW]

The X38 is surely not going to support SLi... only Crossfire.