X48-DQ6 / q9450 - OC temps: Too high?

[kirel123]

Hello.

Board - Gigabyte x48-DQ6
CPU - q9450 (oc'd to 3.0ghz)
Memory - Ballistix 4x1gb ddr2 1066

While idling, temps range 52 - 55 across all cores.
10 minutes - 10 hours into prime95, temps range 69-70 across all cores.

Is that too high?

 

[khurios2000]

what is your room temp and cooler?

 

[khurios2000]

mine does 55-53-46-46 full load @ 3.7Ghz/X3350/DFI LP DK P35 T2RS.
Thermalright Ultra Extreme + Yateloon 120mm
Case Coolermaster RC-690
room temp 25'c

 

[kirel123]

Room temp - 75(ish) ?F (live in california)
Cooler - Zalman cnps9700nt

 

[myocardia]

A Zalman 9700 isn't the best, but it's nowhere near that bad. You don't have your 9700 mounted correctly.

 

[imported_ST]

so everyone is consistent, please specify how you are measuring temp....Real temp, Core Temp, mobo utility, speedfan, etc?

 

[bryanW1995]

more importantly, what is your distance to tjmax?

my 9450 has a zalman 9700. I'm running it at 8x425, 1.25 vcore load running seti 24/7, load temps are 64 55 65 61 with tjmax set at 95c, so distance to tjmax is 31, 40, 30, 34. I know that I need to reseat it, but I have a tuniq that I keep meaning to install and just keep putting it off...btw, ambient here in my office at work is only about 22c. I really need to get that tuniq installed before taking the rig home since my office at home is closer to 26c now and will creep up closer to 27-28c later in the summer.

don't worry about idle temps, those are typically a guesstimate at best, anyway. only load temps matter.

here is a great article on temp monitoring programs:

http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/docs.php

 

[Skraeling]

Im doing those temps with the stock intel cooler not oc'd. but again the stock cooler.

~40 idle
~68-70 @ 5mins of prime95 (depending on room temp room can get up to 80F)

 

[kirel123]

http://i258.photobucket.com/al.../Kirel123/cpu-temp.jpg

Image shows that I use Core Temp. Took that at 1 mintue in on prime95

Now - somebody said that I don't have the 9700 on right. With the mobo I have, you have to screw the S type clip onto the mounting bracket - you can't screw the thing in any further.

Hrm...

 

[Sir Ali]

I have the same range of temps with my Zalman 9700 for the cores. The actual CPU temp. is 33C idle and 53C load.

Lot's of people say that the core sensors are not accurate so don't worry about them.

Edit: Those @ a 3.2GHz OC!

 

[khurios2000]

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1821/tempbe6.jpg

running dual smp's on vmware 100% load each

 

[kirel123]

Originally posted by: Sir Ali
I have the same range of temps with my Zalman 9700 for the cores. The actual CPU temp. is 33C idle and 53C load.

Lot's of people say that the core sensors are not accurate so don't worry about them.

Edit: Those @ a 3.2GHz OC!

Sir Ali - How can I find out the actual temperatures?

 

[imported_ST]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
more importantly, what is your distance to tjmax?

my 9450 has a zalman 9700. I'm running it at 8x425, 1.25 vcore load running seti 24/7, load temps are 64 55 65 61 with tjmax set at 95c, so distance to tjmax is 31, 40, 30, 34. I know that I need to reseat it, but I have a tuniq that I keep meaning to install and just keep putting it off...btw, ambient here in my office at work is only about 22c. I really need to get that tuniq installed before taking the rig home since my office at home is closer to 26c now and will creep up closer to 27-28c later in the summer.

don't worry about idle temps, those are typically a guesstimate at best, anyway. only load temps matter.

here is a great article on temp monitoring programs:

http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/docs.php

I'm surprised you haven't stickied Real Temp data analysis. Beats answering the same question a million times!

 

[Sir Ali]

Originally posted by: kirel123

Originally posted by: Sir Ali
I have the same range of temps with my Zalman 9700 for the cores. The actual CPU temp. is 33C idle and 53C load.

Lot's of people say that the core sensors are not accurate so don't worry about them.

Edit: Those @ a 3.2GHz OC!

Sir Ali - How can I find out the actual temperatures?

It's not called an actual temperature actually but that's the one you should be concerned about. I use HWMonitor and it's the CPUTIN temperature. It never passes 54C @ load in Small FFT/Blend test.

 

[Qbah]

Here are mine, I just set the FSB in BIOS at 400MHz, left everythign else on auto

Q9450 @ 3.2GHz with a Thermalright 120 Ultra Extreme + Nexus 120mm. Small FFT on Prime95. Everything inside an Antec P182.

As you can see TJmax is set to 95C. However I'm wondering if the auto Vcore of 1.328 isn't a bit too much, runs at 1.08V at stock as far as I remember.

So yeah, I would say your temps are a bit high. Especially the idle ones. Had a CNPS9700 before on a P-D 820 (those things were running HOT!) and it was cooling like a dream

EDIT: Forgot the link http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ocar0.jpg

EDIT2: Testing at 1.2375 in BIOS, 1.152/1.168 in CPU-Z. All good so far, temps dropped 15C! :Q 48C tops with Large FFT :Q

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: kirel123
http://i258.photobucket.com/al.../Kirel123/cpu-temp.jpg

Image shows that I use Core Temp. Took that at 1 mintue in on prime95

Wow, you've definitely done something wrong. Did you use any TIM? Here are my temps after ~3 hours of Small FFT's, with my 65nm Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz: 59, 56, 56, 59. That's with a Scythe Ninja, not a Tuniq or a TRUE.

 

[Sir Ali]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: kirel123
http://i258.photobucket.com/al.../Kirel123/cpu-temp.jpg

Image shows that I use Core Temp. Took that at 1 mintue in on prime95

Wow, you've definitely done something wrong. Did you use any TIM? Here are my temps after ~3 hours of Small FFT's, with my 65nm Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz: 59, 56, 56, 59. That's with a Scythe Ninja, not a Tuniq or a TRUE.

With HWMonitor, using Prime95 (Blend) gives 70/73/67/70 (Max. 74/76/72/72).

CPUTIN was 59 Max at a very hot room (no windows open).

But with Real Temp, all cores are exactly 10C less.

Q9450 has a really messed up sensors.

 

[kirel123]

I went ahead and took the Zalman off, cleaned everything up, reseated it (just in case something had been incorrect before)

As to the amount of AS5 (artic silver ) - Last time I used a bit much I think. That being said - core temps still seem to get up there (60 or so using real temp). My room does get hot though.

I've also racheted down the OC a bit, down to 2.8 (from 3.0) to see if that helps.

One thing I can't seem to figure out is how to change the Vcore on my board. I thought to lower them a bit to get heat down. But... while the posted OC guide is great, the x48-dq6 bios options don't translate all that well.

 

[jg0001]

I'm running 450x8 (3.6) on mine and get lower temps. I set my VCore to 1.325 in BIOS and it gets read under load by CPU-z as 1.28

Tempwise, using RealTemp (shows TjMax of 95C), I idle at 39-42C across cores... most simple stuff (Internet, etc) bumps that to mid 40s or so. Games get it up to the upper 40s to mid 50s. Mind you, most games I play don't use all 4 cores. A full on run of Prime95 puts it in the mid 50s on the non-heat maximizing tests, and up to 62 on the heat maximizing tests.

[I keep my place at a steady 70-75 Fahrenheit, year round.]

I use a Zalman 9700 Cooler, with Artic Silver Ceramique, in an Antec P182 case with optional front fan installed.


My BIOS settings are below as copied from my own thread on this setup.

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Okay, here's my latest setup.... I'm getting 3.60 GHz at decent temps. I think I may be done with tweaking it for now. [Note: I put the memory back to 1:1 speedwise]

Q9450 @ 3.60 GHz -- Prime95 -- 7.25 hr run

CPU Speed 3.600

[Note: other settings are made in other areas of the BIOS. I turn OFF the following: C1E, EIST, Virtualization, Exec Disable Bit. Set HPET to 64-bit mode. BIOS is set up for AHCI on SATA drives, not IDE emulation, etc.]

Robust GrBstr Auto
CPU Clock Ratio 8
Fine CPU CR 0.0
CPU Host Freq 450
PCI Express Freq 100
C.I.A.2 Disabled
Performance Enh. Standard

Sys Mem Mult 2.00B
MemSpeed 900
Timings 5-5-5-15 (rest set to auto)

CPU/PCIEX CD Ctrl 800mV <-- this is the default
CPU Clock Skew Ctrl Normal
(G)MCH Clock Skew Ctrl Normal

System Voltage Control Manual
DDR2 OverVoltage Ctrl +0.30 <-- takes memory to 2.1 V
PCI-E OverVoltage Ctrl Normal
FSB OverVoltage Ctrl +0.20 <-- don't exceed this!
(G)MCH OverVoltage Ctrl +0.250
Loadline Calibration Auto
Vcore 1.32500
Normal CPU Vcore 1.23750V <-- as read by BIOS
Vcore (@load, by CPU-z) 1.280

Min Idle Temp 39-42
Max Load Temp 56-59//60-62 (the higher set is under max heat generation tests; the lower set is from 100% load, but not geared towards max heat generation)

SuperPi - 1M 13.025

 

[jg0001]

Originally posted by: kirel123
I went ahead and took the Zalman off, cleaned everything up, reseated it (just in case something had been incorrect before)

As to the amount of AS5 (artic silver ) - Last time I used a bit much I think. That being said - core temps still seem to get up there (60 or so using real temp). My room does get hot though.

I've also racheted down the OC a bit, down to 2.8 (from 3.0) to see if that helps.

One thing I can't seem to figure out is how to change the Vcore on my board. I thought to lower them a bit to get heat down. But... while the posted OC guide is great, the x48-dq6 bios options don't translate all that well.

See my settings. I have the same board, CPU, and HSF as you -- though my case is also setup wind tunnel style with quite audible fan action. Just note that some people believe my FSB and MCH overvoltage settings are on the edge of safety, so perhaps don't go that high. You really should be able to do 3.3 or 3.4 with lower volts than I used, also resulting in same or lower temps.

 

[jg0001]

Originally posted by: kirel123
Hello.

Board - Gigabyte x48-DQ6
CPU - q9450 (oc'd to 3.0ghz)
Memory - Ballistix 4x1gb ddr2 1066

While idling, temps range 52 - 55 across all cores.
10 minutes - 10 hours into prime95, temps range 69-70 across all cores.

Is that too high?

FYI: RealTemp is currently using a TjMax that is 10C lower than CoreTemp.

One other thing... DON'T LET THAT MOBO AUTO SET THE VOLTAGE FOR THE CPU, MCH, OR FSB when you overclock. I have the same setup and did that at first and found that it set the CPU voltage a LOT higher than it needed to be for the OC I desired. I see from one of your pics that the load volts as read by CPU-z are higher than even I'm getting and I'm OC'd to 3.6.

 

[kirel123]

Thanks jg0001 for the translation info.

 

[kirel123]

Hey Folks... some updates.

#1 - As noted on another thread, when I was re-packing up the box, I found a capacitor/diode laying in the bottom of the box. It looked like it had never been soldered on.

And - after reading the various threads here about quad vs dual, knowing that my primary use is gaming - I decided to downgrade to a dual core.

So -
exchanged the mobo for another, same type/model.
returned the q9450
purchased an e8400
(Fry's CS has been great to me!)

Now it's running 34c idle (compared to 50c idle) while OC'd to 3.6ghz.

Question: Do the quads inherantly run hotter or do you think it could have been a bad chip - the bad motherboard? Just curious here.