X570 motherboards

[dlerious]

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but:

https://www.techpowerup.com/256443/...-motherboard-price-list-paints-a-horror-story

Looks like Asus is going to want a lot for their boards. $699 for C8 Formula? Why would I get that over the $599 Aorus Xtreme? Also pricing the C8H higher than the Aorus Master is a bit confusing. The Master has a better VRM config.

I'd go with one of the 3 Gigabyte below the Xtreme. I have a hard time paying more for an X570 than my X399 cost. I'm considering Asrock as well. I don't really need PCIe 4 on AM4, but I could use it on Threadripper.

 

[phillyman36]

 

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[Fir]

The prices on those boards is insane.
It would be nice to have a nice workstation board that featured things you know, for work. Instead of all the RGB and "fatality" crap. 1999 called and they want their BX6 back. (with 300A at 504MHz!)

Even though this platform isn't workstation or HEDT even (64GB RAM?!) but charging those prices is insane. And apparently (like cell phones) if people buy they keep making/selling them.

Sorry for the mini-rant and going OT here.

I'd stick with MSI UNLESS they put those God awful killer NICs in them!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The prices on those boards is insane.
It would be nice to have a nice workstation board that featured things you know, for work. Instead of all the RGB and "fatality" crap. 1999 called and they want their BX6 back. (with 300A at 504MHz!)

Even though this platform isn't workstation or HEDT even (64GB RAM?!) but charging those prices is insane. And apparently (like cell phones) if people buy they keep making/selling them.

Sorry for the mini-rant and going OT here.

I'd stick with MSI UNLESS they put those God awful killer NICs in them!

Apprears nearly all 570 boards will be or are capable of 128GB. Bios updates should follow.
However I agree these aren’t workstation/HEDT boards.

 

[Head1985]

https://www.techpowerup.com/256642/msi-x570-motherboards-start-upward-of-200eur
Now we know why there is so many x570boards.They just want milk consumers with them because they are overpriced.Its pretty funny because i think there will be more x570 boards than b450.But with b450 they dont make that much money so they didint release that many boards.
I dont know, but it looks like everyone just want milk PC gamers lately.AMD/NV price fixing in GPU space and now x570 insane "mainstream" platform prices.They look at pc gamers only as they are cows.
Atleast ryzen 3000prices are somewhat ok(3800x is still overpriced)

 

[Fanatical Meat]

https://www.techpowerup.com/256642/msi-x570-motherboards-start-upward-of-200eur
Now we know why there is so many x570boards.They just want milk consumers with them because they are overpriced.Its pretty funny because i think there will be more x570 boards than b450.But with b450 they dont make that much money so they didint release that many boards.
I dont know, but it looks like everyone just want milk PC gamers lately.AMD/NV price fixing in GPU space and now x570 insane "mainstream" platform prices.They look at pc gamers only as they are cows.
Atleast ryzen 3000prices are somewhat ok(3800x is still overpriced)

Because it’s the right time and right product to do so.
Thin margins for FX line can’t stay forever, more people are working & making money (in the US)
Per the other thread I do believe the product mix is wrong. Too many high end boards with too much stuff many people don’t need.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I think the $300-$380 range is looking okay. C8H, Aorus Master, and possibly some other good boards are in this range. Gotta look over MSI's lineup again soon to see what they'll have to offer. MSI has some sick memory overclocking capability on AM4 under their belt. That's very tempting.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Maybe this is just my history of frugality, but ANY board OVER $200, is a bit... much? At least, from my perspective, over the years. My "great" P35 Gigabyte DS3R board, was like $120-130, and that was a fairly "deluxe" mid-range board, one of the first with all-solid caps, "Durable"/"Ultra Durable", lineup, etc. No RGB, but it was tactfully multi-colored, as far as the ports and slots went. Great boards, all around.

I think my DFI X48 boards, were like $180-200 range boards, really built heavy-duty for overclocking. (They came with a tower heatpipe heatsink, for the northbridge, and an additional optional fan for it.)

My current AM4 board, a Gigabyte AORUS PRO WIFI, was only $110 or so on sale. I consider that to be a pretty full-featured board for AM4. Maybe not the high-end chipset, and maybe I would have ended up with 8 SATA rather than 6, had I gone with an X470 version instead, but given the price, I'm pretty happy with this board.

So, these prices above $200, for the X570 boards, leave me a bit uncomfortable with where the market is going for new boards, price-wise. I mean, Ryzen (CPU) prices are still a GREAT value, for what you get, and the "moar cores", but still, when you factor in board costs, it's kind of slightly expensive, but still a better value than current mainstread or even HEDT Intel platforms, IMHO.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Maybe this is just my history of frugality, but ANY board OVER $200, is a bit... much? At least, from my perspective, over the years. My "great" P35 Gigabyte DS3R board, was like $120-130, and that was a fairly "deluxe" mid-range board, one of the first with all-solid caps, "Durable"/"Ultra Durable", lineup, etc. No RGB, but it was tactfully multi-colored, as far as the ports and slots went. Great boards, all around.

I think my DFI X48 boards, were like $180-200 range boards, really built heavy-duty for overclocking. (They came with a tower heatpipe heatsink, for the northbridge, and an additional optional fan for it.)

My current AM4 board, a Gigabyte AORUS PRO WIFI, was only $110 or so on sale. I consider that to be a pretty full-featured board for AM4. Maybe not the high-end chipset, and maybe I would have ended up with 8 SATA rather than 6, had I gone with an X470 version instead, but given the price, I'm pretty happy with this board.

So, these prices above $200, for the X570 boards, leave me a bit uncomfortable with where the market is going for new boards, price-wise. I mean, Ryzen (CPU) prices are still a GREAT value, for what you get, and the "moar cores", but still, when you factor in board costs, it's kind of slightly expensive, but still a better value than current mainstread or even HEDT Intel platforms, IMHO.

I’m no trade expert but I suspect tariffs are impacting the price a little bit. Power supplies are about $20 more due to the tariffs, I suspect the number would be similar for mortherboards.

 

[DrMrLordX]

My last mobo has components stamped "made in Vietnam". Clever board OEMs are slipping past the tariffs, no problem.

@VirtualLarry

If you look at launch Z390 prices, I'm sure you'll find the X570 prices to be somewhat in line with those.

 

[VirtualLarry]

If you look at launch Z390 prices, I'm sure you'll find the X570 prices to be somewhat in line with those.

That might be true. The Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI is like $200 or more, IIRC, when I was looking at them a few days, trying to decide if I should step up from a B365 board.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Gigabyte X570 motherboard manuals posted here:

https://hardforum.com/threads/gigabyte-x570-motherboard-manuals.1983044/#post-1044235445

 

[DrMrLordX]

That might be true. The Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI is like $200 or more, IIRC, when I was looking at them a few days, trying to decide if I should step up from a B365 board.

For reference:

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=135&sort=-price&page=1

And that's months after release.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

The specs on that Aorus Master board look really good but I'm weary of Aorus UEFI support for overclocking. If its the CH8H vs Aorus Master even with better phase and VRM set up, ASUS UEFI support pushes me over towards the RoG side.

I sell custom PC's for a living and anytime we special order an Aorus board for a high end rig my technicians yell at me about how awful their UEFI is. I never believed them until I tried to OC an 8700k on a clients rig using the Aorus UEFI. While functional, the organization of the menu's and over all polish of the UEFI system is frankly bottom tier. If they stepped up their game with x570 I'll need a professional reviewer to convince me to try one of their boards personally.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Gigabyte has long had funky UEFI functionality. Usually the gadgets you want are in there, somewhere, but . . . getting to them? Ugh.

Asus even exposes AMD CBS options in AM4 boards in intuitive ways. Something ASRock didn't do with my X370 Taichi. Not that I can really blame them, since AMD CBS options aren't "for everyone". For those that want to play with those settings, though, it's nice to have them out in front and organized in a sensible way.

 

[treevor]

The specs on that Aorus Master board look really good but I'm weary of Aorus UEFI support for overclocking. If its the CH8H vs Aorus Master even with better phase and VRM set up, ASUS UEFI support pushes me over towards the RoG side.

I sell custom PC's for a living and anytime we special order an Aorus board for a high end rig my technicians yell at me about how awful their UEFI is. I never believed them until I tried to OC an 8700k on a clients rig using the Aorus UEFI. While functional, the organization of the menu's and over all polish of the UEFI system is frankly bottom tier. If they stepped up their game with x570 I'll need a professional reviewer to convince me to try one of their boards personally.

I would take some random Aptio bios on a socket 775 Dell Optiplex over Gigabyte's UEFI bios... Ive never had a more frustrating time trying to turn off CSM support than on an Aorus board.

 

[phillyman36]

 

[phillyman36]

 

[treevor]

Hmmm he makes it sound like NDA doesn’t lift until the 7th. Unless that was just a clever insertion to throw us all off the real NDA lift date

 

[lopri]

I do not understand why you need a chip for a motherboard, let alone a fan? What am I missing? I thought south bridge had been integrated to the CPU long ago.

 

[lopri]

Maybe this is just my history of frugality, but ANY board OVER $200, is a bit... much? At least, from my perspective, over the years. My "great" P35 Gigabyte DS3R board, was like $120-130, and that was a fairly "deluxe" mid-range board, one of the first with all-solid caps, "Durable"/"Ultra Durable", lineup, etc. No RGB, but it was tactfully multi-colored, as far as the ports and slots went. Great boards, all around.

I think my DFI X48 boards, were like $180-200 range boards, really built heavy-duty for overclocking. (They came with a tower heatpipe heatsink, for the northbridge, and an additional optional fan for it.)

My current AM4 board, a Gigabyte AORUS PRO WIFI, was only $110 or so on sale. I consider that to be a pretty full-featured board for AM4. Maybe not the high-end chipset, and maybe I would have ended up with 8 SATA rather than 6, had I gone with an X470 version instead, but given the price, I'm pretty happy with this board.

So, these prices above $200, for the X570 boards, leave me a bit uncomfortable with where the market is going for new boards, price-wise. I mean, Ryzen (CPU) prices are still a GREAT value, for what you get, and the "moar cores", but still, when you factor in board costs, it's kind of slightly expensive, but still a better value than current mainstread or even HEDT Intel platforms, IMHO.

I agree any 4/6 layer PCB board over $200 is a ripoff.

 

[treevor]

I do not understand why you need a chip for a motherboard, let alone a fan? What am I missing? I thought south bridge had been integrated to the CPU long ago.

X570 as a chipset is nothing more than a hub of sorts for some extra pcie 4 lanes, usb, etc. You don’t need it, we know ryzen 3000 will work just fine on x470 with no perf impact if you already have a board or want to get something cheaper. That in mind if you’re going for a 12/16 core and looking for good boost clocks or icing you are going to want a good power delivery setup on your board. So along with pcie 4, mobo makers are going all out on some vrm setups to sell more expensive new boards that just outclass their cheaper and equally useful alternatives.

edit: i realise now you most likely know this and your question was rhetorical

 

[phillyman36]