x800 pro v geforce 6800 gt (poll)

[ronnn]

I will have to see the quiet versions of both cards before deciding.

 

[JBT]

The GT unless the price of the X800pro is is right.

 

[darXoul]

6800 GT hands down. Why?

1. 16 pipelines.
2. New technology, incl. SM 3.0.
3. I simply still trust nVidia more in terms of compatibility.
4. Possible optimizations with nForce3 chipset.
5. Prices might be more competitive (though I don't want this BB deal to eclipse my sane approach to price & availability expectations).
6. Performance certainly on par with X800 Pro.
7. Reported good overclockability.
8. Possibly more headroom in terms of performance (drivers for brand new architecture).

I just hope Far Cry gets patched properly so it's not forced to use the ATi codepath for nV cards, thus eliminating the problems with IQ

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: darXoul
6800 GT hands down. Why?

1. 16 pipelines.

pipelines mean nothing without considering the rest of the architecture, or power of the pipes themselves.

2. New technology, incl. SM 3.0.

new tech is always good. whether it's useful or not at this point still remains to be seen.

3. I simply still trust nVidia more in terms of compatibility.

yes, far cry compatibility is a good example

4. Possible optimizations with nForce3 chipset.

not one shred of evidence of this has been shown.

5. Prices might be more competitive (though I don't want this BB deal to eclipse my sane approach to price & availability expectations).

apparently it already has . xt pe's have also been offered for as little as $35 more than 6800gt msrp.

6. Performance certainly on par with X800 Pro.

and a bit above as well, tho i'd like to see more than a single review.

7. Reported good overclockability.

this may be the single most important difference, tho x800pro has been out "in the field" for some time and has shows as good, if not better, overclockability.

8. Possibly more headroom in terms of performance (drivers for brand new architecture).

and possibly not. tho imo, we will see gains from both ati and nvidia in future drivers.

I just hope Far Cry gets patched properly so it's not forced to use the ATi codepath for nV cards, thus eliminating the problems with IQ

there's that "compatibility" thing again

i certainly hope we'll see some availability soon; i'd like to get one soon, but i really have few complaints about the 800pro so far.

 

[VIAN]

Nice post, CaiNaM.

I chose the X800 Pro, because:

Performance wise, is on par/better than the GT according to some reviews and is much more OC'able than the GT, meaning you can get more performance from it.

As I have already stated in another thread, it seems to me that the NV3x architecture is actually better than the NV4X architecture as the NV3X does more work per clock, even using less performance hogging AF and AA... So Far.

Note about this last statement:

This is of now, it may change with new drivers, but the architecture is as similar as ATI's R3x0/420 architecture so I don't expect life changing improvements. - if you've seen a review of the 6800, regular, it performs on par/better than the 5950, similar to the x800 Pro vs 6800 GT, meaning that a the 6800, a 12 pipeline card performs a bit better than a 4 pipeline card, which can mean that the drivers suck for the 6800 or that the achitecture does less work/Hz.

And if the 6800 keeps performing this badly, you can definitely pick up a 9800 Pro and OC it to death for some 6800 competition.

But of course, it is still too early to tell. They must release OFFICIAL drivers.

 

[hysperion]

i believe the 5950 is 8 pipes.......hardocp's article seems to show that having a lower resolution with higher aa and af will give you better image quality...in most caes you get better iq but bumping up the res and then adding aa and af (at least imo)........not only that we know ati's cards excel in aa and af because of the adaptive algorithm nvidia is probably copying right now and will have in their cards as well shortly....bfg 6800gt is even faster then the benchies shown cus of the oc' which is warranted....all cards are basically oc'd anyways including the x800xtpe and the 6800ue

 

[VIAN]

i believe the 5950 is 8 pipes

Well, you are WRONG.

 

[nitromullet]

So why don't you help me "get it".
Your telling me that the X800XT and PE are the exact same cards core speeds mem speeds down to the last transistor? Why call it a PE then?

I think only the built-by-ATi cards are called Platinum Edition, while the ones made by third parties are just XT's. I am basing this on the fact that ATi doesn't sell a just a regular XT. As far as I can tell, the XT PE built-by-ATi and the XT's made by others are the same card.

 

[Genx87]

Just reading the review at firing squad of the 6800. The 6800 GT is pretty much laying the smack down on the X800 Pro.

Like I have said since I saw the X800. 6800 GT for me in the Fall. That card is going to wtfpwn for the money.

 

[VIAN]

I just checked out the Firing Squad article. I was amazed by Nvidia.

Firingsquad was using new drivers along with brilinear and the performance for the GT went up significantly enough to beat the X800 Pro - meaning that the GT is the better card. Changing my vote.

As far as the 6800, it seems to be very bandwidth starved or something because the performance is terrible, it is a really bad performer and OC'er and not worthy of a 6800 name. More like 6400 Ultra in the old naming scheme. This new naming scheme seems to want to defy people. A OC'd 9800 Pro has more value.

*But I think I like this new naming scheme where one number decides the generation and the the suffixes determine what class it comes in.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

Like I have said since I saw the X800. 6800 GT for me in the Fall. That card is going to wtfpwn for the money.

It'll definitely own at the $300 or even $350 price point. But at the $400 price point you can get a much faster XT for $50 more.

 

[VisableAssassin]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
I don't see the point in this 6800 Ultra Extreme when its still slower than the XT in most benchmarks. If the GT can be considered faster than the Pro the XT should be considered that much faster than the Ultra by a similar margin.

and if the trend contirues with these newer drivers...the XT is not gonna be faster than the ultra...hell with these new drivers it probably on par or a touch higher than the XT.
So no you cant consider the XT faster by any margin as of yet.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

Like I have said since I saw the X800. 6800 GT for me in the Fall. That card is going to wtfpwn for the money.

It'll definitely own at the $300 or even $350 price point. But at the $400 price point you can get a much faster XT for $50 more.

accept for the fact taht there is a very real possibility that the gt will overclock to ultra speeds.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: VIAN
I just checked out the Firing Squad article. I was amazed by Nvidia.

Firingsquad was using new drivers and the performance for the GT went up significantly enough to beat the X800 Pro - meaning that the GT is the better card. Changing my vote.

apparently you didn't check it out very closely.. the new drivers didn't "significantly" increase anything, they just left the optimizations enabled:

"There has been lots of controversy surrounding ATI?s filtering algorithms lately. In order to provide the fairest comparison, we decided to leave optimizations on for both companies.."

they're now being compared on "equal ground"

 

[GeneralGrievous]

accept for the fact taht there is a very real possibility that the gt will overclock to ultra speeds.

Really? Do you (or anyone else) have a retail GT to test this on? Reference boards aren't exactly the greatest thing to determine this.

Besides it's not like the X800s can't overclock, the pro at least does it extremely well.

 

[vshah]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

Like I have said since I saw the X800. 6800 GT for me in the Fall. That card is going to wtfpwn for the money.

It'll definitely own at the $300 or even $350 price point. But at the $400 price point you can get a much faster XT for $50 more.

link me to a $450 XT
or to a $400 GT

point is, you can't get either easily yet, retail prices have yet to stabilize.

-Vivan

 

[Rage187]

The GT gives me that warm tingly feeling.

 

[VIAN]

apparently you didn't check it out very closely.. the new drivers didn't "significantly" increase anything, they just left the optimizations enabled:

"There has been lots of controversy surrounding ATI?s filtering algorithms lately. In order to provide the fairest comparison, we decided to leave optimizations on for both companies.."

they're now being compared on "equal ground"

Yeah, I remembered that later on, when I was taking my walk. But I'm sure the driver still helped a bit.

And you know what's great is that the reviewer didn't complain about brilinear, so that means it's unnoticeable.

 

[James3shin]

this isn't even fair....GT all the way

 

[GeneralGrievous]

link me to a $450 XT

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: VIAN

apparently you didn't check it out very closely.. the new drivers didn't "significantly" increase anything, they just left the optimizations enabled:

"There has been lots of controversy surrounding ATI?s filtering algorithms lately. In order to provide the fairest comparison, we decided to leave optimizations on for both companies.."

they're now being compared on "equal ground"

Yeah, I remembered that later on, when I was taking my walk. But I'm sure the driver still helped a bit.

And you know what's great is that the reviewer didn't complain about brilinear, so that means it's unnoticeable.

they didn't comlain about ati's brilinear in their ati review either

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: James3shin
this isn't even fair....GT all the way

heh.. looks like with the new gen nv fanboys are taking over for ati fanboys the previously populated this board

it appears the gt is shaping up to be a great card, but where the hell is this gt dominance? what exaclty is 'not fair'?

with aa/af, opts enabled and new drivers on fs review, it wins the ogl benchmarks as expected (fyi the cat 4.7 'beta' includes a significant ogl improvement, at least in CoD), is negligibly faster in lomac, negligibly loses in sc @ 1600 but wins at lower res, and neglibly loses to x800pro in ut2k4 and far cry. all in all it appears there's a negligible performance difference between the 2 cards.

the gt may hold a trump card with full sm3 support, but sheesh.. we don't even know if it will be useable in this gt's lifetime.

it certainly sounds like a gt will be a nice purchase, but to say these cards are anything but even in almost all respects is ridiculous. it may certainly end up price/avail could be the biggest difference, as if i could only have one or the other it's looking like that would be a bigger factor in my decision than anything else...

 

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
link me to a $450 XT

That's not even in stock, and it's OVER $450

Usually Ships: 2+ Weeks

That puts it on schedule for July 1 though

 

[Marsumane]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: James3shin
this isn't even fair....GT all the way

heh.. looks like with the new gen nv fanboys are taking over for ati fanboys the previously populated this board

it appears the gt is shaping up to be a great card, but where the hell is this gt dominance? what exaclty is 'not fair'?

with aa/af, opts enabled and new drivers on fs review, it wins the ogl benchmarks as expected (fyi the cat 4.7 'beta' includes a significant ogl improvement, at least in CoD), is negligibly faster in lomac, negligibly loses in sc @ 1600 but wins at lower res, and neglibly loses to x800pro in ut2k4 and far cry. all in all it appears there's a negligible performance difference between the 2 cards.

the gt may hold a trump card with full sm3 support, but sheesh.. we don't even know if it will be useable in this gt's lifetime.

it certainly sounds like a gt will be a nice purchase, but to say these cards are anything but even in almost all respects is ridiculous. it may certainly end up price/avail could be the biggest difference, as if i could only have one or the other it's looking like that would be a bigger factor in my decision than anything else...

Thats all true but u still have to consider the longlivity of the card if ps3.0 actually does help iq to any degree or performance to any degree. It would make the card that much more valuable in the future after its lifetime.

 

[BFG10K]

Based on the specs and the latest results I'd have to say the GT is the clear superior to the X800 Pro.

pipelines mean nothing without considering the rest of the architecture, or power of the pipes themselves.

Since current architectures are single TMU configurations with a direct tie-in of pipelines to shader units then yes, pipes do mean an awful lot.

but where the hell is this gt dominance?

Did you see the FiringSquad review? When the Pro wins its usually by a tiny margin but when the GT wins the gap is often quite large. Also the GT is potentially always stronger in shader situations.

(fyi the cat 4.7 'beta' includes a significant ogl improvement, at least in CoD),

I'll believe that when I see the results. For now those drivers don't exist so any comments about them are simply speculation.