X800Pro Or 5900XT

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2

I call you a fanboy because the only time you appear is to defend ati and the only card you have ever bought in your life is an ATI!

So now you base a person's bias on something in life based on 1 instance, 1 occurance, in this case, 1 purchase? Let me applaud you for your logic here. Not to mention the fact that 8500 was just as fast as the geforce 3 series but cost me 2x less because my friend worked at ATI at the time and I got a 50% discount on it. Trust me, if I had a discount on Geforce 3, I would have considered it as well.

I don't think the 9800 pro is so great (like you) because I actually own one and it performs at the same level as my 5900xt. Before you start saying that I am cpu limited I have a 2.5ghz Athlon XP 2500 Mobile!

Even though I do not own the 9800Pro i've seen countless reviews of it and it beats 5900xt in every ps2.0 game, not just T:AOD...but there is no point in arguying with you.

You don't play video games, well that explains alot!

That doesn't mean I cant read and analyze benchmarks and make a fair assessment based on the experiences of reviewers with these cards. How would you ever know to buy an Mobile and overclocking it to 2.5, knowing that it will be fast, without ever looking at the benchmarks it produces? You've also made references to benchmarks even though you didn't own the product, and so can I. Not playing videogames does not impede a person's judgement about a product as long as other data by other testers is available for viewing.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

I don't think the 9800 pro is so great (like you) because I actually own one and it performs at the same level as my 5900xt. Before you start saying that I am cpu limited I have a 2.5ghz Athlon XP 2500 Mobile!

If you say so. There's a reason Anand wrote a "problems with NV3X article", there's a reason the 9800/9700 pros are the dominant cards on this forum.

The new drivers give far cry a large boost and the 6800 gt I have been using is performing much better than is shown in current reviews!

I would hope so. It kinda sucked in reviews.

The new cats 4.6 also increase ATI's opengl performance. That has to be taken into consideration as well. When Doom 3 rolls around I wouldn't be surprised if the XT had similar performance to the GT (which as of right now are at the same price point).

 

[PhoenixOrion]

I replaced my evga 5900 regular (2.0ns memory) with visiontek x800 pro and there's a big jump in quality settings and performance in farcry. x800 pro is definitely worth the money. I don't see any justification in getting the x800xt pe unless you really need the video-in function on your front panel.

http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?rigid=27700

 

[Cawchy87]

He must buy a lot of video cards

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[nRollo]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

I don't think the 9800 pro is so great (like you) because I actually own one and it performs at the same level as my 5900xt. Before you start saying that I am cpu limited I have a 2.5ghz Athlon XP 2500 Mobile!

If you say so. There's a reason Anand wrote a "problems with NV3X article", there's a reason the 9800/9700 pros are the dominant cards on this forum.

The new drivers give far cry a large boost and the 6800 gt I have been using is performing much better than is shown in current reviews!

I would hope so. It kinda sucked in reviews.

The new cats 4.6 also increase ATI's opengl performance. That has to be taken into consideration as well. When Doom 3 rolls around I wouldn't be surprised if the XT had similar performance to the GT (which as of right now are at the same price point).

Of course the reason most people speculate the nVidia cards will have better Doom3 performance is the better shadow performance, but hey, we're mindlessly pimping ATI, so who's counting?

LOL these guys probably think new Cat's will enable SM3 when DX9C comes out next month too.

I still say X800XTs have been selling below MSRP at launch because ATI knows something we don't about SM3 and what's coming. (e.g. Far Cry performance swings toward nVidia with patch, etc.) It just doesn't make sense that after enjoying 1.75 years of the larger part of the high end market they firesale price their best card ever before it ever really hits the market- when the 6800s have been goign for $100 over retail.
It doesn't add up at all and I'm thinking ATI has to be behind it. (e.g. they tell vendors "We're looking for early market penetration because our competitor has something we don't. We'll give you our early shipments of X800XT at a reduced price if you'll sell for less than MSRP.")

Think about it- if you're a retailer, you could sell every X800XT you could get your hands on at MSRP or more- the 6800Us have been very scarce, and the vendors are price gouging. Why would you offer below MSRP if you're Zipzoomfly, Gateway, or CDW? Because you don't like money?

Uh huh.

I think we're going to see some big changes this summer, and fan boys won't be able to say "Everyone who's anyone uses ATI!", and the guys that bit on these deals will be wishing they hadn't.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: shady06

Jesus, isn't anyone tired of arguing about 2 cards that perform basically the same?

NEVER!

i'll tell you why: even if the two cards in question perform within 1% of each other, i would rather have the one that performs 1% faster assuming they are the same price

i mean why not get the absolute fastest your money can buy (even if iti is ever so slightly faster)

Because the time you spend reading and fighting about it is worth more than "value" you get from your 1%.

When I get ready to buy a new video card, I'll just ask you which one to get, since you're doing all the hard work. And I won't give you anything for it. And don't you recommend me a Jetway 5200, I don't need anything that fast.

Gosh, you just showed us that you're abusing a computer expert instead of thanking him for the time he spent advising you. I am sure he won't help you out in any of your future purchases.

I wouldn't have made a post in this thread if I weren't one of the idiots who reads every one of them and keeps up with all this nonsense. I still think it's stupid. I just can't help it!

LOL, it helps pass the time at work at the very least

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2
RussianSensation you are an idiot fanboy, the 5900xt keeps up with the 9800 pro apart from Tomb Raider which performs poorly with all nvidia video cards!

hardware.net article featuring the 5900xt,5700u,9800 pro etc!

how bout an english site?

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/112/1/

the 5900XT loses in almost all the benchies

when you look at cases where the res is 1600*1200, it falls considerably behind in RTCW, Halo, and UT2003

 

[AnnoyedGrunt]

Originally posted by: Rollo

I think we're going to see some big changes this summer, and fan boys won't be able to say "Everyone who's anyone uses ATI!", and the guys that bit on these deals will be wishing they hadn't.

Even if the 6800 series begins to outperform the X800 series, chances are the gap will be quite small. I don't think anyone will regret their decision, anytime soon, since all the cards are great for the current games. Basically the performance of these cards are very close, and I believe it will therefore be the price and features that make the difference. Right now, it seems like ATI is leading on price, and Nvidia is leading on features, but how useful those features will be is still TBD. Really, it just comes down to personal opinion and there is no clear "best card" IMO.

EDIT:
Of course, out of the two choices given in the title, the FASTER card is the X800, but it is more expensive as well. If you have the money and can find a card, then go for it, otherwise the 5900, 5900XT, and 9800pro are all very good choices at the ~$200 range. I'd say the 9800pro is probably the best one to get for gaming, but if you are also doing CAD work, then the 5900 would be the way to go. I still prefer the Nvidia driver interface, so that may have a bearing on the choice as well. Anyway, those two cards (the 5900 and x800pro) are probably not the best to compare, since their prices are so different.

-D'oh!

 

[k3nt]

Originally posted by: AnnoyedGrunt

Originally posted by: Rollo

I think we're going to see some big changes this summer, and fan boys won't be able to say "Everyone who's anyone uses ATI!", and the guys that bit on these deals will be wishing they hadn't.

Even if the 6800 series begins to outperform the X800 series, chances are the gap will be quite small. I don't think anyone will regret their decision, anytime soon, since all the cards are great for the current games. Basically the performance of these cards are very close, and I believe it will therefore be the price and features that make the difference. Right now, it seems like ATI is leading on price, and Nvidia is leading on features, but how useful those features will be is still TBD. Really, it just comes down to personal opinion and there is no clear "best card" IMO.

EDIT:
Of course, out of the two choices given in the title, the FASTER card is the X800, but it is more expensive as well. If you have the money and can find a card, then go for it, otherwise the 5900, 5900XT, and 9800pro are all very good choices at the ~$200 range. I'd say the 9800pro is probably the best one to get for gaming, but if you are also doing CAD work, then the 5900 would be the way to go. I still prefer the Nvidia driver interface, so that may have a bearing on the choice as well. Anyway, those two cards (the 5900 and x800pro) are probably not the best to compare, since their prices are so different.

-D'oh!

THANK you, AnnoyedGrunt. The nvidia and ATIs will perform pretty much the same, people should not obsess over deciding between the two.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: nemesismk2
RussianSensation you are an idiot fanboy, the 5900xt keeps up with the 9800 pro apart from Tomb Raider which performs poorly with all nvidia video cards!

hardware.net article featuring the 5900xt,5700u,9800 pro etc!

how bout an english site?

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/112/1/

the 5900XT loses in almost all the benchies

when you look at cases where the res is 1600*1200, it falls considerably behind in RTCW, Halo, and UT2003

What you don't speak German?

My MSI 5900XT doesn't usually lose to my 9800 Pro at all, ofcourse my 5900XT is running at 450/780 for that extra bit of performance!

I think review sites are a bad way to choose a video card, they disable sound (most people use onboard sound which as everyone knows results in a big performance hit and anyway I don't know anyone who plays games with sound disabled) and they use the fastest cpu available which most people don't even own. I think reviewers need to get off their ass and do some benchmarking with mainstream hardware as well and then you will see that most video cards perform roughly the same on a system like that.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: k3nt

Originally posted by: AnnoyedGrunt

Originally posted by: Rollo

I think we're going to see some big changes this summer, and fan boys won't be able to say "Everyone who's anyone uses ATI!", and the guys that bit on these deals will be wishing they hadn't.

Even if the 6800 series begins to outperform the X800 series, chances are the gap will be quite small. I don't think anyone will regret their decision, anytime soon, since all the cards are great for the current games. Basically the performance of these cards are very close, and I believe it will therefore be the price and features that make the difference. Right now, it seems like ATI is leading on price, and Nvidia is leading on features, but how useful those features will be is still TBD. Really, it just comes down to personal opinion and there is no clear "best card" IMO.

EDIT:
Of course, out of the two choices given in the title, the FASTER card is the X800, but it is more expensive as well. If you have the money and can find a card, then go for it, otherwise the 5900, 5900XT, and 9800pro are all very good choices at the ~$200 range. I'd say the 9800pro is probably the best one to get for gaming, but if you are also doing CAD work, then the 5900 would be the way to go. I still prefer the Nvidia driver interface, so that may have a bearing on the choice as well. Anyway, those two cards (the 5900 and x800pro) are probably not the best to compare, since their prices are so different.

-D'oh!

THANK you, AnnoyedGrunt. The nvidia and ATIs will perform pretty much the same, people should not obsess over deciding between the two.

Well, it's a fairly large purchase for most people and there are differences to bew considered.

I've read that anything that can be done with SM3 can be emulated with DX9b, what I haven't read is how much performance differnce there would be to do that, or who has to do that.

Does the game developer have to code it? If so, will they bother?

Does the ATI driver team have to, then will you be in a position you're waiting for driver patches all the time?

I'd think you would be better off to have the hardware functionality personally, but that's just me.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Cawchy87
He must buy a lot of video cards

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:Q

Wow.

I wonder why they locked your "Forum Issues" thread. I guess he musta gave it to you like you wanted it, and then he edited it out. :beer:

 

[Cawchy87]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Cawchy87
He must buy a lot of video cards

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Wow.

I wonder why they locked your "Forum Issues" thread. I guess he musta gave it to you like you wanted it, and then he edited it out. :beer:

I usully just press yes to little pop up adds and some pop up came up i assume asking me if i wanted to lock the thread. I guess thats what you get for not reading it. And about 5 seach toolbars i can't get rid of! Any way, his topics seem to turn into flame threads. And if you want just about everyone's opinion, for 200 bucks the the 9800pro. there, just saved you more time of posting.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I've read that anything that can be done with SM3 can be emulated with DX9b, what I haven't read is how much performance differnce there would be to do that, or who has to do that.

Does the game developer have to code it? If so, will they bother?

Does the ATI driver team have to, then will you be in a position you're waiting for driver patches all the time?

I'd think you would be better off to have the hardware functionality personally, but that's just me.

Its simple. The same way that current PS2.0 games revert to 1.4 on non compliant video cards. Games that support sm3.0 will do the same.

 

[jrphoenix]

x800 pro if you are looking for performance!

 

[jhurst]

Haven't you people realized that this fool is just spamming this crap. Every post he has ever had is "XXX or XXX". Pretty soon we are going to be getting "6800GT OR TNT32", or maybe "Voodoo3 OR GeForce2". I better not give this guy any ideas.

Please stop responding to his pointless posts, and maybe he will stop. I have already put in a request to the moderators to get this spammer out of here. He offers no additional opinions himself, he just waits for one post to die and then he starts another one.

When will you ppl figure out what this guy is doing?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: jhurst
Haven't you people realized that this fool is just spamming this crap. Every post he has ever had is "XXX or XXX". Pretty soon we are going to be getting "6800GT OR TNT32", or maybe "Voodoo3 OR GeForce2". I better not give this guy any ideas.

Please stop responding to his pointless posts, and maybe he will stop. I have already put in a request to the moderators to get this spammer out of here. He offers no additional opinions himself, he just waits for one post to die and then he starts another one.

When will you ppl figure out what this guy is doing?

LOL

I've never seen this before.

why are you doing that you little baby

And then the AT Moderator put the "answer" checkmark beside his question. LOL it made my day.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I've never seen this before.

LMAO!

 

[PowderBB3D]

Hahahaha "why are you doing that you little baby"

It's so perfect.

- P

 

[Cawchy87]

How old is this guy? 10?

 

[jhurst]

I would say around 10. But, people are always going to reply to his ridiculous comparison polls. He needs to change his name to the "thisORthat". He just throws out his topic, and doesn't put any sort of followup as to why he might need to choose between the 2.

I BEG OF ALL AT USERS TO STOP REPLYING TO THIS FOOLS POINTLESS THREADS!!!!

 

[Avalon]

Using onboard sound results in game performance hits?

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: Avalon
Using onboard sound results in game performance hits?

Onboard sound isn't very efficent and results in a higher performance hit when compared to a decent dedicated sound card. Most review sites usually have sound disabled when benchmarking a video card which produces very unrealistic results!

 

[Avalon]

Intersting. I never knew that. Just sold my Audigy and went back to onboard, too

 

[yhelothar]

nforce2 soundstorm takes less performance hit than ANY dedicated soundcard out there, even audigy 2...
nforce2 APU is the most powerful soundchip ever built.

So good move selling off your audigy