x850xt games performances

[CKTurbo128]

Something is definately wrong - you should be scoring around 6000 in 3D Mark 05. I have a Mobile Athlon XP+ 2600 rig (oc'ed to ~2.6 GHz) and a Radeon X850 XT and I score in the low 6000s.

 

[selfbuilt]

Allow me to quote myself:

Originally posted by: selfbuilt
I believe that's the Intel 865PE chipset. You can find Intel drivers here:
http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-009241.htm

And ...

Originally posted by: selfbuilt
Are your chipset AGP drivers installed? Likely source of the problem. Run 3Dmark05 to determine if your score is appropriate (should be well over 6000 with performance settings, if everything setup correctly). If your score is lower, something is not right - try re-installing AGP drivers, directX, and ATI catalyst drivers (in that order).

'nuff said.

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: Niflheim
wow, amazing. i got 3147 at 3Dmark05, and that's at 1024x768 with no AA.
im a bit depressed i think.

ouch man...

I scored 6123 with my x850xt agp without OCing.

 

[ShadoWing]

the x800xt pe is about on par with this card rite?

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: ShadoWing
the x800xt pe is about on par with this card rite?

yup, more or less

 

[impemonk]

Originally posted by: selfbuilt

Originally posted by: Niflheim
oh by the way, ive never seen it like that before, but how would i know if my agp drivers are ok? can i find some easily or do they have to match my motherboard (which is an amazing asus p4p800-e by the way hihi)?

I believe that's the Intel 865PE chipset. You can find Intel drivers here:
http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-009241.htm

Hey selfbuilt, the owner of this thread wouldn't need to DL those drivers if he has a third party video card... those drivers are only for INTEGRATED gpu's...

If you need to update your chipset, you can try looking for the files on Intel's website that improve the functionality of things such as the USB and AGP controllers.

boy it feels good to be back... haven't posted on the forum in a long time.

 

[Niflheim]

dammit ahah. even with all set on performance, i barely score 3800. i really dont know what's wrong.

i tried reinstalling drivers a lot, but i dont think it's that (but ill try the 5.13). in fact, just after receiving my card, i completely formatted my hard drive. so there's no way any nvidia drivers bit may still be roaming around.

"The thing is..what is your power supply? Had a weak one which couldn't feed the card, and the score was easily down in the 4000. Also slow prosessor and ram WILL hold you back."

could be that though! i never really paid any attention to my power supply and i fear it might be crappy enough. its a Tsunami XP320. i must say that i have no idea how many watt it's got. i always thought 350W but now i doubt.

how do i know and how many watts would i need?

oh its written
DC ouput +3.3V +5V +12V -5V -12V +12Vsb
MAX. A 14A 21A 13A 0.3A 0.8A 2A

to me, it means nothing. but i remember having been told that it's low hihi.

 

[Powermoloch]

400-500 watts with a good 18 amps on a 12 v+ rail.

Even a 350 Watt psu can fair very well, but the amps are also important.

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: Niflheim

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
My X800 GTO @ X850 XTPE speeds destroys FEAR, COD2, AOE3, Quake 4, BF2, and CS:S. I usually run everything at 1280x1024 or 1024x768 with 4xAA and 8xAF, med to high settings.

thats what im annoyed ahah.

hey thanks for all the replies
im currently downloading 3dmark05 to check it out and ill remove and reinstall the drivers, just to be sure.
oh by the way, ive never seen it like that before, but how would i know if my agp drivers are ok? can i find some easily or do they have to match my motherboard (which is an amazing asus p4p800-e by the way hihi)?

I got nearly the same system as you.....3 ghz/1 gig ram/Asus p4c800. I got my x850xt on Saturday and replaced my 6800nu with it. 3dMark05 score is around 5600 and that is with virus and a buncha other crapola running in the background.

With some games the framerate is much better....Far Cry and Quake 4 for instance. Doom3 not so much. CoD2 + the patch for hyperthreading runs sweet with the x860xt. Make sure you install the latest chipset drivers. Go to Intel and check this out:

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts...rnal/Product_Filter.aspx?ProductID=816

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Wow, only 13A on the 12V line. That could be it.

The power supply, that is.

 

[Niflheim]

what, really too low? i have no idea what are those numbers and what would be better ahah

 

[flexy]

>>>

i then tried half-life 2, just to see. 1280x960, high quality, AA 4xand AF 16x (as a test) and when i get out on the Plaza in the beginning, too low fps to enjoy it. same thing if i turn off AA and AF.
i felt like biting my fists.
i tried fable : the lost chapters to see and i had problems too, even if i could play right with my geforce 6600.
>>>

i am "limited" with my monitor because i also play all hgames at 1360x1024 custom resoultion, which is more than 1280x960. I MOSTLY play HL2. Yes, i also have a X850XT.

I play at MAX quality settings with 6xAA enabled.

HL2 is freaking fast and smooth (i have VSUNC OFF btw, do you have vsync on ?) - and i have not the SLIGHTEST reason to already jump to a fgaster card like the X1900XT because i am still doing VERY well with the X850XT.

If you say you have FPS problems in HL2 then is MUST be something else with your settings.....maybe there are other games where the X850 shows its age (FEAR)...HL2 i am usually in the 80,90, 100+ FPS which is WAY enough for smooth gameplay. (And as said i play at 6xAA !)

 

[flexy]

get drivercleaner, delete all ATI, NVIDIA stuff.

Get ATi Tray Tools.....i personally dont like the ATI "CCC"...either use the old CP or just get the drivers alone and just use ATI Tray tools for settings.

Make sure that all Antialiasing and AF settings are at "application preference"...so you can set those options ins 3dmark or the games.

If you still have trouble and low 3dmarks on a fresh install (???????) then....something must be wrong with your card. I also dont know whether a weak PSU would result in lower FPS...imho your card shouldnt work at all with not enough juice....or does it magically clock down with a weaker PSU ? i dont think so...also..did you get the card used or new ? You might want to check whether it IS actually a X850XT, if the clocks are right (use ati tray tools and check the clock rates)...and/or if it has the right bios. (In case yo ubought it used and got screwed over or something)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Your problem is memory. I do not care if you have a 7800GTX SLI, you cannot run neither FEAR nor BF2 at maximum settings playably with 1GB of ram.

Try playing Half Life 2 at 1280 max with aa/af and it should be quite smooth and good looking. If you want your gpu to be able to flex it's graphical muscle, then you need to invest in some more memory.

RAM is overrated

HL2 will not benefit except in level load times . . . neither will FEAR . . .

only BF2 [much]

OP Something is WRONG . . . you should be pulling 5500 in 3DMArk05 or better. I have a P4@3.3Ghz with 1GB RAM and get over 6000 with my stock x850xt.


If you can handle it, do a complete reformat.

If not, REMOVE every TRACE of nVidia Drivers [use driver cleaner]; use the ATi Cat UNinstaller to remove the curent ATI driver and Start Over . . . making SURE your MB's drivers are up to date; your OS is fully patched, you have DX9c [and .NET if you want the CCC].

good luck!



and FEAR, you're just gonna have to put up with some details turned down or play it a 10x7 . . . it's a big Hog [but beautifull].

 

[Niflheim]

yes im thinking about formating completely. but i did it 2 days ago, so there's no way there's any trace of nvidia drivers or anything. but i have nothing to lose
but would drivers make such troubles in performance?
because it goes so bad, there has to be something in my computer.

the card was brand new when i bought it. in the beginning i too hoped that it maybe was broken or too used ahah. the computer and everything detects it as being a radeon x850xt agp 256mb.

dammit

aahahah, funny somehow

oh by the way, what do you think about the fact that my power supply could be too weak? kyniskos said that it happened to him.

 

[AgentUnknown]

Not sure if mine is an XT either. It just says under decide hardware X850. I get 4698 on my 3dMark05 tests. I did drive cleaner 3 and all that.

 

[bozilla]

PSU is not strong enough and it's not feeding enough juice to the card. Go to your local electronics store and get ANTEC 550W supply or even ANTEC or Fortron or Seasonic >450W psus.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Niflheim
yes im thinking about formating completely. but i did it 2 days ago, so there's no way there's any trace of nvidia drivers or anything. but i have nothing to lose
but would drivers make such troubles in performance?
because it goes so bad, there has to be something in my computer.

the card was brand new when i bought it. in the beginning i too hoped that it maybe was broken or too used ahah. the computer and everything detects it as being a radeon x850xt agp 256mb.

dammit

aahahah, funny somehow

of course drivers make all the performance difference . . . use the latest 6.1 [or 6.2 if it comes out soon] . . .

the good thing about reformating [again] is that everything is already backed up

if it were a HW problem, you'd more likely get a corrupted display . . . and you should be aiming for ~6K in 3DMark05 . . .

when i first got my x850xt a few weeks ago i had similar problems [my old 9800xt wouldn't "go away"] . . . make sure you also look in Device Manager to make sure ther is nothing "missing" and maybe check BIOS setting also.

 

[aatf510]

Originally posted by: Niflheim
yes im thinking about formating completely. but i did it 2 days ago, so there's no way there's any trace of nvidia drivers or anything. but i have nothing to lose
but would drivers make such troubles in performance?
because it goes so bad, there has to be something in my computer.

the card was brand new when i bought it. in the beginning i too hoped that it maybe was broken or too used ahah. the computer and everything detects it as being a radeon x850xt agp 256mb.

dammit

aahahah, funny somehow

Yes, drivers can give you a hell of a time when it comes to performance.
On the other hand, I don't think a bad PSU can coz performance problem; a under-power PSU would probably halt/crash you system instead giving you less fps.

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Originally posted by: bozilla
PSU is not strong enough and it's not feeding enough juice to the card. Go to your local electronics store and get ANTEC 550W supply or even ANTEC or Fortron or Seasonic >450W psus.

That must be it. There must be some way to tell though.... I would think there would be stability problems. Try looping 3DM (run it several times back to back) and see if you can get the card to crash or artifact. Monitor the temperatures on the core with Ati Tray Tool (you DO have that installed, right?). Actually, I find that running the little artifact scannner in ati tt is a good torture test for stability. Any problems in power delivery or stability will cause the card to crash or artifact. Look for yellow dots on the screen. As soon as you see something like that, you know you have power or heat issues, and it's time for a new PSU!

 

[jiffylube1024]

Which Pentium 4 do you have: P4 3.06 Ghz (533 FSB, Rambus RAM or DDR) or P4 3.0C (Northwood)? What speed is your RAM (PC3200?)?

It sounds like you don't have the right chipset drivers or something because your scores are too low.

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Which Pentium 4 do you have: P4 3.06 Ghz (533 FSB, Rambus RAM or DDR) or P4 3.0C (Northwood)? What speed is your RAM (PC3200?)?

It sounds like you don't have the right chipset drivers or something because your scores are too low.

Yes, if it's not a power problem it's probably the AGP drivers are not installed.
FYI, the AGP drivers are not the same as the video card drivers. cf. the post on the previous page

 

[Malladine]

Nif: the power supply COULD be the problem. However 350W is usually enough. I'm not sure what amperage is required though, and 12A doesn't sound like a lot at all. Most modern ps provide 20-30A off a 12V I think.

I'd try a complete wipe (with dban or similar) and reformat first.

Could also be the card, have you tried it in another pc?

 

[RobsTV]

While PS could be problem, it most likely is NOT the problem.
Usually system will crash, lockup, reboot, or similar, long before it affects video card benchmark scores.

Only have a x800 GTO here (4500 3dm2k5), and it runs fine with a 220w power supply in an Opteron 146 system overclocked to 3GHz. Point is, power supplies are the cop out excuse that feels good to say, but in most cases, is just a waste of money. Still, it is always good to have a spare, (which you will have after buying one and seeing that it did not make any difference).

Don't forget to mess with AGP aperature size in Bios!

 

[selfbuilt]

Originally posted by: impemonk

Originally posted by: selfbuilt
I believe that's the Intel 865PE chipset. You can find Intel drivers here:
http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-009241.htm

Hey selfbuilt, the owner of this thread wouldn't need to DL those drivers if he has a third party video card... those drivers are only for INTEGRATED gpu's...

The page I linked to has what he needs to know - it is the general Intel page for that chipset, and has a clearly marked link about "AGP driver information" that explains what he must do to make sure the AGP GART driver is properly setup.

This remains the most likely explanation for his considerably substandard performance - the AGP GART driver is likely not working correctly.