But excavator certainly have the potential to do the same against bd. Lol
This is just going from sad to pathetic in real terms. What makes things even worse is the state of AMD chipsets. I've been looking into to this recently and I can't believe how far they are behind Intel in this arena as well.
Insert_Nickname said:I'm not counting AM3(+) in that comparison, simply because its a 4 year old platform,
Well you won't find much price difference when looking for SLI certified motherboards between Intel and AMD, at least starting from the bottom end of pricing.
What other things then SATA3 and USB3 do you require? Apart from a slight performance deficit the A85X/A88X is every bit as capable as any Intel chipset. I'm not counting AM3(+) in that comparison, simply because its a 4 year old platform, that hasn't seen a real update since the 800-series in 2009 (the 900-series is nothing more then a rebrand of the 800's). If you're looking at really cheap 760G boards, then honestly, what do you expect? The 700-series is from 2007... :whiste:
Its only if you get into more specialized features that AMD can't deliver.
It's for F@H, I don't need SLI.
The FM2 boards didn't even have something like 2x PCIe slots w/8 lanes each - unless I missed something. I saw many problems on 900 series (AM3+) boards with VRMs - and not just on 4 module BD/PD CPUs, but even on Athlon II X2's! WTH?! [the latter, obviously, isn't an AMD chipset problem]. On AM3+ boards I noticed a number of people posting who were having problems running two GFX cards - that's a non starter. The only solid looking board I've seen is the Asus Formula and that's more than I wanted to spend. I was only looking for a solid stock motherboard, not a good overclocking board (which, per usual, would cost quite a bit more).
But my 970 is soooooooooooo stable. Never had such a rocksolid platform as this 1:whiste:
Pretty sure the Athlon II X2s where 95W or less.Unlike Intel, you need to pay close attention to what TDP a board can handle. Putting a 125W TDP chip in a board rated for 95W is a sure-fire way to fry the VRMs.
I don't know where you have been looking at FM2 boards, but at least ASUS and Gigabyte both have boards with 2x PCIe 8x available. You just can't get one in mATX size unfortunately. Such boards also tend to be a bit on the expensive side.
F.x.
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4343#sp
Has a company ever produced an x86 processor that has a 50% jump in IPC over its predecessor?
Sandy Bridge's IPC improvement over Conroe was about 30% IIRC, which is the most dramatic improvement I can think of. The second most dramatic improvement was probably the Athlon 64 X2 over the A64, but I can't find a decent set of benchmarks to compare that easily.
Since the A64 X2 I think AMD have been managing a 10% IPC improvement, ignoring the Ph1 and BD. If those two 'dodgy' generations are taken into account, the % IPC improvement looks pretty shaky.
Technically, Penryn was Conroes predecessor. The IPC increase of Conroe over Prescott was dramatic, but Conroe also dropped the clocks quite low.
My bad, meant Core Duo / Yonah. Intels codenames were as random as their marketing names at times... :\penryn was a die shrink of conroe (along with wolfdale and yorkfield)
And around a hundred dollars is not allot for a motherboard. It's not like I'm looking for an x58 or x79 motherboard.
Shouldn't the hype be around SR???
Not saying that it's a bad topic to have here but we should be exited over SR leaks now :hmm:
My bad, meant Core Duo / Yonah. Intels codenames were as random as their marketing names at times... :\
I'm interested to see if Keller had been back at AMD long enough to influence much of the SR core.
I'm interested to see if Keller had been back at AMD long enough to influence much of the SR core.
"AMD are on track to catch up on high performance cores" - Jim Keller, Corporate Vice President and Chief Architect of AMD's Microprocessor Cores
Jim confidently stated AMD are on track to catch up on high performance core, a function of design improvements. We couldn't pin down a timeline for this, but with a time scale of two years core design and one year build and test, it's not going to be immediate. My expectation is 2015.
Currently, I believe that Piledriver's IPC is roughly the same as Conroe (though of course this varies somewhat depending on the application). I think a reasonable expectation for improvements would be for Steamroller to have roughly equivalent IPC to Nehalem, and Excavator to catch up to Sandy Bridge.
AMD does have one thing going for them: Intel's architectural improvements on the big-core side have been slowing down, and that trend will continue and perhaps even accelerate. Haswell is part of the P6 family, which dates back to the original Pentium Pro. As far as IPC tweaks go, the low-hanging fruit was plucked long ago. Sandy Bridge to Haswell isn't really that big of an upgrade. In contrast, AMD's construction equipment architecture is still relatively immature, with plenty of additional optimizations that can be added as soon as the fabrication process is up to par.