Xbitlab's G71 review!

Cookie Monster

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Xbitlabs review!!

Finally. Interesting read.

Power:

X1900XT
idle:28.90
load:120.60

7900GTX
idle:31.17
load:84.21

7900GT
idle:22.56
load:48.42

"We guess there?s no need to talk about a minimum PSU wattage. Any high-quality power supply with stable output voltages will do. A SLI configuration with two GeForce 7900 GT is going to consume less than 100 watts of power, delivering a very high performance. This is an admirable achievement for Nvidia whose solutions have traditionally been more economical than ATI?s, at least in the top-end products sector."

Noise:

"The same cooler as on the GeForce 7800 GTX 512 is mounted on the GeForce 7900 GTX and it works as quietly, too. You can hardly hear the graphics card even with your ear close to the working computer. We don?t think you won?t want to replace the cooler even if perfect silence is your main priority. For comparison, the Radeon X1900 XTX produces some noise even when its blower is working at a reduced speed, and when the speed is high, the noise is hardly bearable due to the irritating tone produced by the resonating plastic casing."

"Franking speaking, we don?t think the GeForce 7900 GT cooler is half as good as the GeForce 7900 GTX one. It is small and has a tiny fan, so it is rather noisy, yet not very efficient. If you are going to overclock your GeForce 7900 GT or if you just want to have a silent computer, you may want to think about a more efficient cooling solution. It?s possible some manufacturers will equip their GeForce 7900 GT with such coolers right away."

Shader Performance:

"All in all, the GeForce 7900 GTX does somewhat better than the Radeon X1900 XTX. The two graphics cards are roughly equivalent when it comes to executing pixel shaders, but Nvidia?s new solution is better than the senior Radeon at processing textures. The latter is indeed better on shaders with dynamic branching, but such shaders aren?t yet used in games."

SLi/Crossfire:

"As for extreme FSAA modes, the GeForce 7900 GTX SLI allows playing with turned-on 8x SLI AA in any resolution, but the higher-quality 16x SLI AA is too difficult even for this platform as it yields a comfortable frame rate in 1024x768 only. The Radeon X1900 XT CrossFire seems much faster than the GeForce 7900 GTX SLI in that case, but you should be aware that 14x Super AA theoretically produces a lower-quality picture than 16x SLI AA with its honest super-sampling."

I was aware of this, but would be good for somebody to test it out.

Oblivion benchmark:
16x12 HDR outdoor
X1900XT:
Min-22
Max-36.3

7900GTX:
Min-14
Max-36

"In low resolutions you can see that GeForce 7900 GTX is slightly faster than Radeon X1900 XTX, although later one this advantage disappears because of the more efficient ring bus memory controller of the latter. Despite the enormous amount of shaders in the game, Radeon X1900 does not really benefit from 48 pixel processors it has. Unfortunately, we do not know all the peculiarities of the Oblivion graphics engine that is why we cannot tell you with all certainty what slows down the Radeon X1900 XTX: fewer TMUs than by GeForce 7900 GTX or some other factors."

16x12 HDR indoor
X1900XT:
Min-37
Max-56.2

7900GTX:
Min-25
Max-53.7

Note: The crossfire benchmarks are using AFR instead of super tiling. (It looks like AFR/SFR is better than super tiling in most of the cases with dual GPU situations).

Note F.E.A.Rs performance improvement
16x12 4xAA 16xAF
X1900XT:
Min-25
Max-51

7900GTX:
Min-28
Max-47

In the end:

Highs:

* High performance in a majority of applications
* High performance in OpenGL
* Well-balanced architecture with 24 pixel processors and 24 TMUs
* Transparent textures antialiasing
* Hardware decoding of H.264 and other HD video formats
* Silent cooling system
* Low power consumption and heat dissipation
* Dual-link DVI support
* Low price for this device category ($499)

Lows:

* Slower than the Radeon X1900 XTX at executing complex shaders and in extremely high FSAA modes
* Does not support FSAA and HDR simultaneously

"The chip embodies Nvidia?s approach to making GPUs, which is to keep the number of pixel processors and TMUs in balance. The G71 has 24 of either, while the Radeon X1900 has 48 pixel processors and only 14 TMUs. Our tests have shown that Nvidia?s approach is justifiable even in modern games with their abundance of pixel shader-based visual effects because the Radeon X1900 often slows down under high textural load. You should also keep it in mind that though the Radeon X1900 XTX may be architecturally better suited for future games, its raw performance may prove too low to run such games at an acceptable speed when they do come out."

 

Cookie Monster

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Originally posted by: Madellga
Thanks for the hint. I gave up checking Xbits for a 7900 review.

I almost did too. This review was long overdue, but it was a good read.
 

CP5670

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Xbit's reviews seem to lag behind most of the other sites, but they do a much more thorough job. :thumbsup: They need to use some higher resolutions though.

I guess there aren't any huge differences between the single flagship cards except in Riddick and SCCT. (which happen to be my favorite games of recent times; makes it harder to decide what to buy )
 

dug777

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I wonder if two 7900GTs whining away in SLI would be louder than an x1900xtx?

If i had the money i'd be all over a X1900xt like flies over a pile of particularly seductive manure, but it looks like it will be a 7900GT for me as they are going for 460AUD (about 330 USD iirc) here at one place...

why do they test at 'quality' rather than 'high quality'? i'm not dropping that kinda money to not use 'high quality' "|
 

Cookie Monster

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If i had the money for a single card, i would go buy the HIS X1900XTX. Absolutely nothing to worry about temps or noise thanks to their AC coolnig solutions.

However the 7900GT consuming 48W at load is just amazing!!
 

dug777

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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce7900gtx_14.html

why no comments (well, no more than a passing line) on the utter pwnage wrought by Crossfire here?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce7900gtx_17.html

was intersting too, does Nvs method really take that much more effort? How much better does it look than ATIs? Anyone got some screenshots?

INteresting review, Crossfire seems to have matured at this stage...

I guess overall the 7900GTX & X1900XTX are pretty evenly matched, as usual a scarily comprehensive review
 

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Their Oblivion GTX vs XTX results are much closer, although the min fps numbers are a bit better on the XTX. Are we seeing the results of CPU limitation here? This has been widely speculated since the release of the game, but noone has really done the testing to confirm it. The CF results and SLI results are very close as well.

Hmm, am I reading something wrong here? Why is the CrossFire minimum fps lower than the single X1900XTX?
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: NoDamage
Their Oblivion GTX vs XTX results are much closer, although the min fps numbers are a bit better on the XTX. Are we seeing the results of CPU limitation here? This has been widely speculated since the release of the game, but noone has really done the testing to confirm it. The CF results and SLI results are very close as well.

Hmm, am I reading something wrong here? Why is the CrossFire minimum fps lower than the single X1900XTX?

cpu overhead? Cpu limited situation?
 

Cookie Monster

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Lots of visuals.


Edit - after comparing the screen shots, ATi is alot darker than NV on the screenshots of the F-15C.

Comparing in HL2, why is it that in the ATi shot compared to the NV you see the dissapearance of the branches and grass?

Im not sure if ATi has "better" IQ as some claimed because some of the screenshots NV shots looks more detailed compared to ATi.

Can people with SLI or Crossfire post some screen shots?

Also i noted this.

ATi HDR
NV HDR

ATi HDR
NV HDR

What do you guys think?

 

5150Joker

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The results Xbit got are completely different than what most other sites get in games like FEAR, BF2 and CoD 2. Take for example ExtremeTech's recent video card roundup. The XFX 7900 GTX XXX is an overclocked card with it's frequency at 700/1.8 GHz and costs $600 vs a standard 7900 GTX with 650/1.6 GHz clocks that costs $500. They used the XFX 7900 GTX XXX against a stock X1900 XTX:

CoD 2: 1280x1024 4xAA/8xAF
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/13/0,1425,i=130954,00.gif

X1900 XTX: 49 fps vs.
XFX 7900 GTX XXX: 45 fps

FEAR results: 1280x960 4xAA/8xAF
http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/13/0,1425,i=130949,00.gif

X1900 XTX: 72 fps
XFX 7900 GTX XXX: 70 fps


So how is it that the X1900 XTX is losing to the stock GTX in Xbit labs review with 16x AF applied when it's beating an overclocked XFX GTX in extremetech's review with 8x AF? Everyone knows nVidia cards take a bigger hit with AF enabled. Which site is to be believed? Also Xbit failed to use AF with their Oblivion testing:


Xbit's Results: HDR Pure Speed
1280x1024:
7900 GTX: 15/43.3 fps
X1900 XTX: 27/42.2 fps

1600x1200:
7900 GTX: 14/36 fps
X1900 XTX: 22/36.3 fps

Firingsquad's Results: HDR 8x AF:
1280x1024:
7900 GTX: 33.6 fps
X1900 XTX: 37.8 fps

1600x1200:
7900 GTX: 20.3 fps
X1900 XTX: 27.3 fps
 

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I'm really wondering where they're getting these price stats
So, we can?t say the GeForce 7900 GTX is a clear winner today, but it has done at least no worse than the Radeon X1900 XTX in 14 out of 18 tests. And it has the advantage of lower price: $499 against $549.
Using ATs pricing engine the lowest price I can find for an instock 7900GTX is about $530 but I can find a X1900XTX for about $480. It looks like their using MSRP which right now doesn't mean much with the XTX available well below and the GTX well above.
 

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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
If i had the money for a single card, i would go buy the HIS X1900XTX. Absolutely nothing to worry about temps or noise thanks to their AC coolnig solutions.

However the 7900GT consuming 48W at load is just amazing!!


Yes but how much does the power consumption increase once everyone OC's it? How much power do the factory overclocked GT's consume? nV fans touting factory OC'd GT's while quoting stock GT power consumption numbers is very deceptive.
 

Cookie Monster

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
If i had the money for a single card, i would go buy the HIS X1900XTX. Absolutely nothing to worry about temps or noise thanks to their AC coolnig solutions.

However the 7900GT consuming 48W at load is just amazing!!


Yes but how much does the power consumption increase once everyone OC's it? How much power do the factory overclocked GT's consume? nV fans touting factory OC'd GT's while quoting stock GT power consumption numbers is very deceptive.


A stock 7900GTX consumes 84W load compared to 120W of the XTX. Factory OCed GTs probably run around 65~75? Im guessing.
 

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www.techinferno.com
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Link

Lots of visuals.


Edit - after comparing the screen shots, ATi is alot darker than NV on the screenshots of the F-15C.

Comparing in HL2, why is it that in the ATi shot compared to the NV you see the dissapearance of the branches and grass?

Im not sure if ATi has "better" IQ as some claimed because some of the screenshots NV shots looks more detailed compared to ATi.

Can people with SLI or Crossfire post some screen shots?

Also i noted this.

ATi HDR
NV HDR

ATi HDR
NV HDR

What do you guys think?


Hmm don't have either of those games installed but maybe someone else here can check. I think short FRAPs videos would be a lot more telling than screenshots. I can host the vids if you guys decide to make some.
 

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Cookie the HL2 issue was brought up by Wreckage a couple weeks ago, it was determined that the draw distance defaults in HL2 were set lower for ATI cards, and a simple ini edit fixes the issue.
 

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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
If i had the money for a single card, i would go buy the HIS X1900XTX. Absolutely nothing to worry about temps or noise thanks to their AC coolnig solutions.

However the 7900GT consuming 48W at load is just amazing!!


Yes but how much does the power consumption increase once everyone OC's it? How much power do the factory overclocked GT's consume? nV fans touting factory OC'd GT's while quoting stock GT power consumption numbers is very deceptive.


A stock 7900GTX consumes 84W load compared to 120W of the XTX. Factory OCed GTs probably run around 65~75? Im guessing.

And because of that fact, I would be much more concerned if I were a XTX owner and wanted to do just a little overclocking.

This was the major tipping point for me to go with nvidia.
 

toyota

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How does Xbitlabs do 16x AF in Doom3?? Ultra quality is 8x AF. I cant change the AF setting in the Doom3 profile of the nvidia control panel because its greyed out. So can some please tell me how Xbitlabs can do this.
 

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Originally posted by: fierydemise
I'm really wondering where they're getting these price stats
So, we can?t say the GeForce 7900 GTX is a clear winner today, but it has done at least no worse than the Radeon X1900 XTX in 14 out of 18 tests. And it has the advantage of lower price: $499 against $549.
Using ATs pricing engine the lowest price I can find for an instock 7900GTX is about $530 but I can find a X1900XTX for about $480. It looks like their using MSRP which right now doesn't mean much with the XTX available well below and the GTX well above.


Maybe because of when the review was drafted? Demand for the GTX has driven the price up recently. They're all sold out right now @ newegg.
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: xenolith
Originally posted by: fierydemise
I'm really wondering where they're getting these price stats
So, we can?t say the GeForce 7900 GTX is a clear winner today, but it has done at least no worse than the Radeon X1900 XTX in 14 out of 18 tests. And it has the advantage of lower price: $499 against $549.
Using ATs pricing engine the lowest price I can find for an instock 7900GTX is about $530 but I can find a X1900XTX for about $480. It looks like their using MSRP which right now doesn't mean much with the XTX available well below and the GTX well above.


Maybe because of when the review was drafted? Demand for the GTX has driven the price up recently. They're all sold out right now @ newegg.

not very hard to edit a detail like that is it?
 

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Originally posted by: fliguy84
hmm Oblivion performance seems similar for both GTX and XTX

Minimum frame rate isn't though...

12x10 HDR outdoor
X1900XT:
Min-27
Max-42.2

7900GTX:
Min-15
Max-43.3

16x12 HDR outdoor
X1900XT:
Min-22
Max-36.3

7900GTX:
Min-14
Max-36

That's a massive difference - 80% (!!!) better minimum frame rate @12x10, nearly 60% better @16x12. Yes, the max is similar, but X1900XTX has the same minimum frame rate as 7900GTX SLI (!) @12x10. It's very clear which is going to give you a better experience in the game from those numbers...
 

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Originally posted by: Barkotron

That's a massive difference - 80% (!!!) better minimum frame rate @12x10, nearly 60% better @16x12. Yes, the max is similar, but X1900XTX has the same minimum frame rate as 7900GTX SLI (!) @12x10. It's very clear which is going to give you a better experience in the game from those numbers...

Agreed 100% on this.

In a game like Oblivion the minimum framerate is far more important than the maximum. 27FPS is easily playable in this game, as is 22. On my Rig it dips to 15fps at times (im running at 1920x1200 though), but only in certain places (Anvil for one). I wouldnt want to get any framerate lower than that.
 

Cookie Monster

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The conclusion is that the X1 series will give you a better experience in oblivion unless we see more performance enhances from the drivers from each company yet to come.

Fierydemise: oh, i got you. I didnt realise this had to do with the draw distance. Looked weird to me but i guess that explains it.
 
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