"if you post the same thing over and over in every single thread, then you're a fanboy"
not very close
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Then I apologize to josh. I am sorry, I was mistaken. Thats very close to what you said, feel free to find the post and correct me.
Guess I get you all mixed up...
Originally posted by: schneiderguy
"if you post the same thing over and over in every single thread, then you're a fanboy"
---->"Nvidia?s SLI AA 8x is not as good as the 8xs, which is basically the best now."Originally posted by: Ackmed
First off, hes wrong about what they said about AA.
What you call trolling, others call "stating the obvious".Secondly, he continues to troll claiming I have some ATi bias filter on.
Yes, my horrible agenda is to use sarcasm to take over the world.Later he quoted me again, and changes what I saw, to fit his agenda.
You're claiming you're not pals? Exchanging pm's, always going against me, agreeing with each other, and virtual high fiving each other? Please.
...Farcry isnt a twitch shooter, its not. There is a LOT of sneaking around, and little running and gunning.
I didn't say that it was a "running and gunning" game, you did. All I claimed was that getting the first shot on someone was all about the twitch.I refuted your claim that Farcry was a running and gunning game. Its not.
Handles 8xAA just fine? Not according to all reviews. There is not one review saying it is.
...thanks for answering your own question.Thats because most reviews suck as far as content goes. Who has 8xAA in reivews? Next to nobody. They are short changing their readers by not having all of these options in reviews. TRAA, AAA, HDR+AA, HQ AF, 8xAA, etc. all need to be in reviews. Too many at 4xAA/16xAF, with a few resolutions, and thats it.
Here's what they said:You claimed they said it was not very useful. They made no such claim, and I refuted your comment with what they really said.
Originally posted by: Xbit
Yet another reason for not supporting FSAA with FP16 HDR is that even now, two years after the GeForce 6 entered the scene with FP16 HDR support, there are virtually two famous games that take advantage of it: Far Cry as well as Elder Scrolls: Oblivion . Obviously, at some point in future, when more games adopt FP16 HDR, support for FSAA along with it will be compulsory, but now the technology can be enjoyed in very few games.
Originally posted by: Xbit
Unfortunately, we could not obtain the benchmark numbers for you to see, as performance of Oblivion with HDR+AA varies substantially, which does not allow us to present validated benchmark result...
Seems like they're saying it isn't very usefult to me discussing how only two popular games use it and:Originally posted by: Xbit
ATI Radeon X1950 XTX theoretically can enable FSAA with FP16 HDR, which is an advantage, however, it does not have the feature supported flawlessly at the moment and it may not provide sufficient performance.
...gamers should really think twice before considering this feature seriously.
redbox and you have exchanged PM's, does that mean you two are pals? Gstanfor and I have had PM's and I know most wouldn't consider us "pals".You're claiming you're not pals? Exchanging pm's, always going against me, agreeing with each other, and virtual high fiving each other? Please.
No, I meant flawless. Where in my post did you see "capable"? Read more dilegently and these confusions won't happen to you as much.Flawlessly? I guess you mean capable, not playable. In that regard, I agree.
I dont like tearing either. I use TB all the time.
You're telling me that your single X1900XT at 19x12 in BF2 multiplayer has a ~10 frame threshold? :roll:If the average is 40fps, you will hit lower, much lower...In multiplayer, fps is king.
mmmkay. You can think it's funny if you want. I just think it's amusing that you're the one thinking of the male life guard.How it is immature? "The Hoff" is the butt of many jokes right now, I just added one more because of your typo.
His required thought and creativity, not some "sound" (if you read out loud to yourself) that triggered the thought of a male life guard.Its funny how you said wreckages was ok, yet mine is not.
Meaning that it varied too much and got too low. Why on earth would they care if the variety in frames was from 100 to 60? They wouldn't. You said yourself it seems weird. The only reason why they didn't post the various frames is because they must have gotten extremely low compared to the high ones (and we all know that Oblivion doesn't get that high of frames)They got it to work, just that it varied too much.
You claimed that was a negative, and its not.
And this answered my question of, "What is my agenda" how? You answered with verbs, discussing how I "name call" and "insult" instead of telling me what you think my "agenda" is. This is why I say you have a reading comprehension problem.Its pretty obvious. You dont like me, and have a vendetta against me. You name call, and insult me all the time. Hence your agenda.
And where in those 3 recent PM's are insults? ***shh...here's a hint, there aren't any***Funny thing is, "he" has pm'd me three more times since hes gotten banned.
Simple, he hit the "Send Private Message" button.Wonder how that happened.
If you're implying I got on his account, you couldn't be more wrong. We are brothers, have said so in other threads. I didn't need to sign in as him (couldn't even if I wanted to) since he can easily just tell me. This is why it was so amusing to here you say, "You think you know but you're not even close" when infact I knew all along that you were lying.In fact, I wonder if it was really him. Perhaps one of this pals used his account.
I know this breaks your heart, but he wasn't "banned" but vacationed and that's a "fact"He was banned for his own wrong doing, its time for you to get over that fact.
Whatever that means...So now you have the power to call my opinions inaccurate? Sorry, you dont.
So you do what that Rollo guy did and insult people for not having your hardware? Even if he had Quad-SLI and a 3007FPW you would still insult him because it would be Nvidia and wouldn't be able to do HDR+AA.I was talking about wreckage. He is always talking the talk, yet he cant walk the walk. Standing on the sidelines with a card that cant do todays features.
Forget about Wreckage, I've had both and am telling you you're wrong.Yet wants to tell me I am wrong, when I have tried both, and he hasnt.
Good because it hardly resembles a tree. I swear almost 32 years old with roughly 3500 posts under your belt and you still can't grasp the simple mechanics of Anandtech's quoting methods...This is the last quote tree I am doing.
Really? Is that why I can see schneiderguy's post? Because yours is ending? Thanks for pointing that out for us.In fact, Im done with this post.
And don't forget that I don't "have the power to call your opinions inaccurate", because that in itself would be my own opinion.You have your opinions, and I have mine.
You have an article? Link?This article is just another that backs up mine.
That's why you said this:...8xAA isnt very useful, even with a GX2.
right?I never said settings 8xAA on a GX2 was hard.
It is true which is why I stated such.I heard that now using the CCC, you can activate AFR without renaming the application, not sure if this is true.
I see ATi marketing have done their job well. ATi needs profiles just like nVidia but they don't offer users the ability to add/change them like nVidia does and instead lump them into an encrypted DLL.The main advantage of Crossfire over SLI is that you don't need a profile to take advantage of the performance increase.
For one I doubt that's the case but if it is then you just add you own SLI profiles. With ATi you have to either wait for a driver update and hope they add your game or pray it's Direct3D and AFR works. If not you're SOL.You can see that nVidia is no longer updating profiles to the 6800 SLI, that's why you can see it beaten by single cards like the Radeon X1800XL in newer games.
What the heck are you talking about? If you don't have updated profiles then update them yourself.So having SLI is not that futureproof after all, once a newer generation of cards debut, your SLI profiles will not be updated after one year of the debult of the new generation. Really sucks.
Originally posted by: Wreckage
---->"Nvidia?s SLI AA 8x is not as good as the 8xs, which is basically the best now."Originally posted by: Ackmed
First off, hes wrong about what they said about AA.
hmm....8xs is the best.....and yet ATI does not support it.....I guess they did say NVIDIA had better AA.
They also said....
---->"ATI Radeon X1950 XTX theoretically can enable FSAA with FP16 HDR, which is an advantage, however, it does not have the feature supported flawlessly at the moment and it may not provide sufficient performance;"
hmmm. it's slow....that's like the opposite of what you have been saying.
What you call trolling, others call "stating the obvious".Secondly, he continues to troll claiming I have some ATi bias filter on.
Yes, my horrible agenda is to use sarcasm to take over the world.Later he quoted me again, and changes what I saw, to fit his agenda.
You're claiming you're not pals? Exchanging pm's, always going against me, agreeing with each other, and virtual high fiving each other? Please.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. To be fair, Josh and I have had many a disagreement. It's just that you went so far off the deep end that people from both sides of the fence can't stand you.
* Nvidia?s Transparent AA Multi-Sampling hardly does any job at all.
* ATI?s ?Performance? Adaptive AA is clearly better than Nvidia?s Transparent AA multi-sampling, but is obviously not as good as ?Quality? Adaptive AA.
* Nvidia?s Transparent AA Super-Sampling is a little bit more accurate than ATI?s ?Quality? Adaptive AA.
Originally posted by: josh6079
...Farcry isnt a twitch shooter, its not. There is a LOT of sneaking around, and little running and gunning.I didn't say that it was a "running and gunning" game, you did. All I claimed was that getting the first shot on someone was all about the twitch.I refuted your claim that Farcry was a running and gunning game. Its not.
Even if God came down and said, "Far Cry is a slow-paced" game how would that help the fact that it takes an X19k CF setup before it can become playable? Seems like that would indicate a large performance hit to me if only two of the highest end ATI GPU's can utilize that feature.
Handles 8xAA just fine? Not according to all reviews. There is not one review saying it is....thanks for answering your own question.Thats because most reviews suck as far as content goes. Who has 8xAA in reivews? Next to nobody. They are short changing their readers by not having all of these options in reviews. TRAA, AAA, HDR+AA, HQ AF, 8xAA, etc. all need to be in reviews. Too many at 4xAA/16xAF, with a few resolutions, and thats it.
Here's what they said:You claimed they said it was not very useful. They made no such claim, and I refuted your comment with what they really said.
Originally posted by: Xbit
Yet another reason for not supporting FSAA with FP16 HDR is that even now, two years after the GeForce 6 entered the scene with FP16 HDR support, there are virtually two famous games that take advantage of it: Far Cry as well as Elder Scrolls: Oblivion . Obviously, at some point in future, when more games adopt FP16 HDR, support for FSAA along with it will be compulsory, but now the technology can be enjoyed in very few games.Originally posted by: Xbit
Unfortunately, we could not obtain the benchmark numbers for you to see, as performance of Oblivion with HDR+AA varies substantially, which does not allow us to present validated benchmark result...Seems like they're saying it isn't very usefult to me discussing how only two popular games use it and:Originally posted by: Xbit
ATI Radeon X1950 XTX theoretically can enable FSAA with FP16 HDR, which is an advantage, however, it does not have the feature supported flawlessly at the moment and it may not provide sufficient performance.
...gamers should really think twice before considering this feature seriously.redbox and you have exchanged PM's, does that mean you two are pals? Gstanfor and I have had PM's and I know most wouldn't consider us "pals".You're claiming you're not pals? Exchanging pm's, always going against me, agreeing with each other, and virtual high fiving each other? Please.
I guess you and Wreckage are pals since you two have agreed before. (Although very rarely)
No, I meant flawless. Where in my post did you see "capable"? Read more dilegently and these confusions won't happen to you as much.Flawlessly? I guess you mean capable, not playable. In that regard, I agree.
Just because you couldn't get your SLI system working right doesn't mean that everyone else's SLI setups are inept. You did something wrong, because I, and others, can get playable frames with any thing greater than a 7800 GT in SLI with 8xAA for a wider variety of games than an X19k CF setup can with HDR+AA in only a handful of ones.
I dont like tearing either. I use TB all the time.You're telling me that your single X1900XT at 19x12 in BF2 multiplayer has a ~10 frame threshold? :roll:If the average is 40fps, you will hit lower, much lower...In multiplayer, fps is king.
If you're capped at 60 with vsync + triple buffering then your frames can only drop from 60 to 50ish in order to stay away from the "slideshow" 40's.
mmmkay. You can think it's funny if you want. I just think it's amusing that you're the one thinking of the male life guard.How it is immature? "The Hoff" is the butt of many jokes right now, I just added one more because of your typo.
His required thought and creativity, not some "sound" (if you read out loud to yourself) that triggered the thought of a male life guard.Its funny how you said wreckages was ok, yet mine is not.
Meaning that it varied too much and got too low. Why on earth would they care if the variety in frames was from 100 to 60? They wouldn't. You said yourself it seems weird. The only reason why they didn't post the various frames is because they must have gotten extremely low compared to the high ones (and we all know that Oblivion doesn't get that high of frames)They got it to work, just that it varied too much.
You claimed that was a negative, and its not.
Right, saying things like, "performance of Oblivion with HDR+AA varies substantially" and "even now, two years after the GeForce 6 entered the scene with FP16 HDR support, there are virtually two famous games that take advantage of it" and "gamers should really think twice before considering this feature seriously." are all positive things...oh...wait...neutral...:roll:
And this answered my question of, "What is my agenda" how? You answered with verbs, discussing how I "name call" and "insult" instead of telling me what you think my "agenda" is. This is why I say you have a reading comprehension problem.Its pretty obvious. You dont like me, and have a vendetta against me. You name call, and insult me all the time. Hence your agenda.
And where in those 3 recent PM's are insults? ***shh...here's a hint, there aren't any***Funny thing is, "he" has pm'd me three more times since hes gotten banned.
To my knowledge they were politely asking you to point out where his PM'ed insults were as well as inquired what kind of benches you would like to have him run with his new X1950XTX. Are you going to say I'm incorrect again?
Simple, he hit the "Send Private Message" button.Wonder how that happened.
If you're implying I got on his account, you couldn't be more wrong. We are brothers, have said so in other threads. I didn't need to sign in as him (couldn't even if I wanted to) since he can easily just tell me. This is why it was so amusing to here you say, "You think you know but you're not even close" when infact I knew all along that you were lying.In fact, I wonder if it was really him. Perhaps one of this pals used his account.
I know this breaks your heart, but he wasn't "banned" but vacationed and that's a "fact"He was banned for his own wrong doing, its time for you to get over that fact.
I'm over the fact that his post was out of line to display on an open thread and am fine for the mods moderating that. You just keep dodging the issue and fading to black about him insulting you via PM's because he didn't insult you via PM's. You lied, and got caught. Get over it and stop playing dumb about it and trying to uphold the "I'm above that kind of behavior" attitude.
Whatever that means...So now you have the power to call my opinions inaccurate? Sorry, you dont.
So you do what that Rollo guy did and insult people for not having your hardware? Even if he had Quad-SLI and a 3007FPW you would still insult him because it would be Nvidia and wouldn't be able to do HDR+AA.I was talking about wreckage. He is always talking the talk, yet he cant walk the walk. Standing on the sidelines with a card that cant do todays features.
Forget about Wreckage, I've had both and am telling you you're wrong.Yet wants to tell me I am wrong, when I have tried both, and he hasnt.
Good because it hardly resembles a tree. I swear almost 32 years old with roughly 3500 posts under your belt and you still can't grasp the simple mechanics of Anandtech's quoting methods...This is the last quote tree I am doing.
Really? Is that why I can see schneiderguy's post? Because yours is ending? Thanks for pointing that out for us.In fact, Im done with this post.
And don't forget that I don't "have the power to call your opinions inaccurate", because that in itself would be my own opinion.You have your opinions, and I have mine.
You have an article? Link?This article is just another that backs up mine.
That's why you said this:...8xAA isnt very useful, even with a GX2.
right?I never said settings 8xAA on a GX2 was hard.
Originally posted by: Ackmed
I'm just going to ignore where they said anything negative about ATI like "HDR+AA is not very playable" and focus on the negative about NVIDIA
...yet you just did one again...Once again, Im done with the quote trees. I find them annoying.
I wasn't acting as if you were wrong, just waiting to see if you had any logical evidence to base that assumption off of. You didn't since you had missed the fact that we were brothers and then tried to act like I didn't know anything despite you being completely clueless.I was talking more about josh and redbox. I said they were "pals" before, and he acted as if I was wrong. Nice to see I am right about that now too, as they are brothers.
So Ackmed is the online multiplayer Guru whose definition for twitch shooters is to be unrivaled? Get off your high-horse.Getting the first shot on someone is not always a twitch. Far from it in fact.
And then you provide a link that only went as far as the completely useless 2xAA.Its is not a fact that it takes a X1950 CF setup to be playable in Farcry with HDR+AA.
There different cards on the way as well that rumor to support the feature as well, that doesn't change the fact that you're wrong in assuming that HDR+AA is more useful than 8xAA and that it doesn't give as great of a performance hit.Yes they said that there are only two "famouse" games that support HDR+AA. The fact is, there are several more, and more on the way.
Except that they said it varies "substantially" meaning drastically. Again, why would they care if it varied too much in nothing but playable frames? Think about it Ackmed.Yes they also said that performance varies, thats not a negative thing.
As you can see in the link above, its easily benchmarked by others.
You've already answered your own frustration with not being able to find reviews:I am wrong about what? Show me one reputable review that give the overall IQ edge to NV. You wont find one. Likewise, show me one reivew that gives playable frames with 8xAA for a 7900GTX in Oblivion, Fear, BF2142, or any other newer game. Again, you dont find one.
hence why your pathetic attempt to outline Far Cry with HDR+AA being playable on single X19k cards could only do it at what you consider "sissy" resoluitons with a worthless 2xAA.Thats because most reviews suck as far as content goes. Who has 8xAA in reivews? Next to nobody. They are short changing their readers by not having all of these options in reviews. TRAA, AAA, HDR+AA, HQ AF, 8xAA, etc. all need to be in reviews. Too many at 4xAA/16xAF, with a few resolutions, and thats it.
Or that gamers should think twice depedning on what card they have. Even after they got it to work and posted screenshots of it they still thought the performance was awkward enough to not display.They said "think twice before considering this feature seriously" due to their claim that enabling the feature is hard to begin with.
Once again, I never said that redbox and I weren't pals, just that your assumptions as to why we were pals were wrong. I asked you how you come to the conclusion that people are "pals" and the reasons you gave were as vague as agreements and PM's, something that can happen between two perfect strangers.I am right by calling you pals, you just said that you're brothers. Thanks for saying Im right.
He didn't delete them and we could put up screenshots detailing those supposed "insults" again.He (or someone with his account) did PM me in the last few weeks, since he got banned. I deleted them, as I do everything.
I never said I got sub 30's. You didn't get 8xAA to work fine because for some reason you didn't the performance others have gotten. Also, how can you say that reviews "suck content wise" and then say that they agree with you.So you're calling sub 30fps "flawless" for 8xAA? I got 8xAA to work just fine, it was just far too slow. Which reviews agree with me on.
So your previous statment of:I just sold my CF card. And yes I did use TB in BF2 when I had it.
was another lie? You must be enjoying those sliced-up graphics when you're playing your favorite multiplayer.I use TB all the time.
Okay, okay, Ackmed, you don't need to let me know the man's whole career which you seem to know very well....He hasnt done that for years. Hes been on several other tv shows lately.
That's funny, because the post of mine that contained the typo didn't have a sound file attached to it, making it hard for the typo to "sound" like anything. If you heard noise while going over that misspelling , you were probably reading outloud to yourself.Reading it outloud to yourself? Who reads like that, not I.
You're the one going into details about his career and how you haven't seen him on the beach with his shirt off "for years".I made a joke, and you have been talking about it for several posts now, and insinuating that I have something for male lifeguards.
Does she know about your infatuation with "The Hoff"? Don't break her heart champ...Sorry, with a wife like mine, I have zero interest in that. But you wouldnt know anything about that, would you.
Where in the hell did I say there wasn't any PM's? I said there were no insulting PM's. Yet another example showing your poor reading habits.I didnt read the PM's, simply deleted them. First you claimed there wasnt any pm's, now you're saying there was. Nice flip-flop there.
Yes it can, because that in itself would be my opinion.It means calling someone opinion "inaccurate" cant be done.
Another lie. In a different thread you were specifically insulting Wreckage for having an "low-end system". Also, you've stated before that otherse with less than a 19x12 resolution are "sissy" ones. It has been clear throughout these forums that you have been pretty egotistic about your hardware.I didnt insult anyone for not having higher end hardware.
Have you used a GX2? You don't have first hand knowledge with any of the 79 series and are making claims based off of what you don't know first hand.Claiming one is better, or worse than the other, without first hand knowledge.
You're the one going off on the "better IQ" tangent. I'm concentrating on the fact that you think 8xAA is a more useless feature compared to HDR+AA.Show me one reputable review that give the overall IQ edge to NV. You wont find one.
Likewise, I think it is simple to understand when someone's post is ending. You don't have to let everyone know your done posting because they can see the end of it and the begining of the next persons. You're the only one who has to tell us you're done with a post...thanks for stating the obvious.I said Im done with this type of post, not posting all together. Simple to understand.
Everytime someone brought up another one of their points you've tried to claim that they didn't matter or slant it to ATI's benefit. They did say that Nvidia's TrAA was better than ATI's, they did say that 8xAA was better than ATI's, and they did say that HDR+AA isn't completely a rock-solid feature yet nor popular. They made those points as well, but you wouldn't want to comment on those. No, they support ATI as well.I am done posting in this thread. Its run its course, and the facts are, reviews agree with me that ATi has better IQ, and 8xAA+ isnt very usable for NV.
Yes, me thinking you're wrong is indeed an opinion. Sorry you don't like it.No, its not.
Likewise HDR+AA isn't very useful with many games new or not since only a handful support it and demand that the user have an X19k CF setup to thoroughly enjoy it.I said setting 8xAA isnt hard, its just not very useful with newer games.
Once again, I wasn't debating that, but it depends on the person which image looks better. Reviews, and yourself, are not the ones that decide if something is universally better.The fact is the article (and others) agree with me that ATi has the better overall IQ
It sure has seemed like it is. You seem to be very determined to trump a feature that is only really used in a handful of titles over one that can be used in almost any.Im done rehashing it, its not worth my time.
Of course you won't be reading it. You turn a blind eye to anything that questions you or your skewed logic.Im sure you'll post some long useless post again, I wont be reading it.
Originally posted by: Ackmed
I didnt read the PM's, simply deleted them.