XBone or PS4

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I need a Blue ray Player so I might grab a PS1 or XBone tonight.

I would love a good racing game. I prefer arcaadish racers versus simulations. What I mena by this is that I just like to play the game and don't want to have to tune minute details of the cars in order to win. Some tuning is nice though. I found Forza on the 360 to be a wonderful series.

I will say that I don't want the latest Forza. Not enough tracks and cars. I'd rather play Forza 4.

I want Titanfall but I'm kinda meh. I don't really care if I get it.

Does anyone know if the credits for NBA2k14 can transfer from a 360 to a PSone or XBone?
 

mmntech

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The only thing I can say about the Xbone is you have to pay for XBL Gold to use pretty much every online service including Netflix and even Internet Explorer, which is BS. Where as on the PS4, they're free to access. The Xbone probably is a better media device though, despite that. The PS4 still can't even play or stream most local content. There are also reports that Bluray playback is flaky. I can't confirm that, but I don't really use mine for BD. The Xbone also has a media remote available, which the PS4 doesn't.

For gaming, the PS4 has the better hardware and seems to be getting the most interest from developers. So I think it's probably going to get better software support in the long run.
 

purbeast0

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i can tell you that need for speed rivals sucks. i bought it last week or the week before, played it for like 90 minutes and don't really have any urge to play it again. it's the only racer other than forza that is out right now.

i can also tell you that the bluray player on both the ps4 and xbox1 suck. when i got them both i wanted to possibly get rid of my stand alone so i watched a movie on both of them. they are both garbage compared to my stand alone, plus they can't do 3d stuff now, so i watched 1 movie in each and that was it. i just use my standalone now, it's much better.

PSA: there is no E in bluray
 

DaveSimmons

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^ that's too bad, and a bit surprising about the PS4. My PS3 still works very well as a blu-ray player.

You do need PSN+ for online multiplayer, but not for Netflix, etc. Also, PSN+ comes with a library of free games (as long as you keep renewing) though most of them are for PS3 and Vita.

Hmm, maybe you should get a PS3 instead
 

purbeast0

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yeah ps3 is better than ps4 as a bluray player, as long a you don't have the 60gb launch. on the x1 i hate having to open the bluray "app" just to watch a movie. all of the apps are slow as shit in general.

and on both consoles, the interface for doing basic shit is just not as basic/simple as it is on a standalone. also, my bluray player boots up much faster than the ps4 of x1, and i don't have to go through any menus to get the movie to play, i just put it in and it goes (although the ps4 i think did this too but i don't remember, never going back to it).
 
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Anyone have Need for Speed: Rivals on the PS4?

Could my son (age 9) play this? He is good at driving in the Forza series. Is it appropriate for him?

EDIT: OK ... I see some comments on this one as I play catch up.
 
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Well, with the limit on games that I actually want and the PS4 BluRay playback issues I think I'll hold off. Still might jump on a system when Watch Dogs comes out if the reviews of that game are stellar.
 

Lil Frier

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I've not played NFS: Rivals, as I opted for Forza instead (I hate giving EA money). I have a friend with Rivals though, and he says he likes it. It's likely a big matter of personal preference, but there's always the option of going on Twitch and watch a stream to get a look.

But you're spot-on with the Forza 5 complaint. I was really disappointed to see Maple Valley (one of my favorite tracks) missing in the game. You also don't get Nurburgring or Fujimi Kaido, though the track they have in Australia's a semi-decent alternative for the latter (has a few sections of super-tight turns). However, the driving itself is really nice. The rumble triggers are pretty cool to have, for figuring out how your grip is through turns, for example (or when braking/accelerating heavily).

Titanfall is a fine shooter. Most seem to vastly underrate it by calling it CoD with mechs or overrate it my calling it one of the best FPS titles in recent history. Even with the alleged dedicated servers, the lag can be crappy on it, but the core mechanics (except the melee) are good.

I don't own any Blu-Ray discs or use my console for non-gaming stuff, so I can't give much insight into that. I'll also say that the credits in the NBA game are highly unlikely to transfer, since I've heard nothing about saves transferring otherwise. Oh, and don't forget--they have Forza and Titanfall bundles that they sell, so even if you don't care to BUY one, you get one for free with the console.

Just to throw it out there--if you'd like to see Forza or Titanfall in action, I'll throw it up on Twitch (I usually only stream to show people Powerstar Golf), just send me a PM.
 

zerocool84

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i can tell you that need for speed rivals sucks. i bought it last week or the week before, played it for like 90 minutes and don't really have any urge to play it again. it's the only racer other than forza that is out right now.

i can also tell you that the bluray player on both the ps4 and xbox1 suck. when i got them both i wanted to possibly get rid of my stand alone so i watched a movie on both of them. they are both garbage compared to my stand alone, plus they can't do 3d stuff now, so i watched 1 movie in each and that was it. i just use my standalone now, it's much better.

PSA: there is no E in bluray

Yup I didn't enjoy Rivals either. I enjoyed last year's Need for Speed but I just couldn't get into Rivals.
 

railven

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One thing to keep in mind, it seems that the Xbone still has the audio desynching issues and video stuttering.

I guess it wasn't addressed fully with the most recent update. If you truly plan on using the console for BD-Playback or even Streaming, keep that in mind. It doesn't affect all users, but so far it seems common.

I watched a few BDs on the PS4 (since it was on) and found no issues. But I'm simple and don't pause movies once they start haha.
 

Arkaign

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Yep, grab a PS3, fantastic deal and lots of fun games for it to boot. Still a great BD player to this day.

XB1 and PS4 should be much more interesting by fall/winter. And of course E3 is coming up, you'll get a lot more info then on what to expect down the line. Forza Horizon 2 is basically guaranteed, and that might be more your style. The smart money is also betting on a hefty price drop on the XB1, either right after E3, or starting late summer/early fall.
 

zerocool84

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Yep, grab a PS3, fantastic deal and lots of fun games for it to boot. Still a great BD player to this day.

XB1 and PS4 should be much more interesting by fall/winter. And of course E3 is coming up, you'll get a lot more info then on what to expect down the line. Forza Horizon 2 is basically guaranteed, and that might be more your style. The smart money is also betting on a hefty price drop on the XB1, either right after E3, or starting late summer/early fall.

I really enjoyed Forza Horizon. I thought it had the right mix of Sim and Arcade. If 2 is announced that'll be great.
 

Arkaign

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I really enjoyed Forza Horizon. I thought it had the right mix of Sim and Arcade. If 2 is announced that'll be great.

Yep, I loved Forza 1, 2, 3, 4, and liked Horizon a good bit. Given that there shouldn't be a mad rush, and they will have much more time to get XB1 hardware experience, I'm confident that Horizon 2 will be immense (and sounds like the OP cup of tea).

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/12/forza-deep-south-concept-art-may-hint-at-horizon-sequel
 

Lil Frier

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I agree that the appeal of the consoles improves as time goes on, but if we're talking about having a use for them now (and in the near-future, since the OP mentioned Watch Dogs), I think it's somewhat wasteful to go PS3 for just a few months. Unless you play a lot of games and want to be on both a last- and current-gen system, I think it's best to get the new console now, rather than spend money on a PS3 (which would likely mean a few hundred dollars), then repeat the process near the end of 2014. If you weren't wanting anything until the end of 2015, it might be different, but the fact that you're talking about wanting a game release in May (Watch Dogs, again), it's just not my favorite idea.

But if you have the money and don't care much about that factor, more power to you.
 

xantub

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Xbox Ones are not selling as much as they expected so there are lots of offers everywhere, while the PS4 is still hard to find in some places, so it could be a good time to get an Xbox One on sale now (Microsoft said they will slow down or stop production for a while to let existing inventory go).
 

ImpulsE69

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I've not seen an issue getting either. I see them all over in Wal-Marts etc. Personally I'd give it a year before diving in. The catalog just isn't there.
 

Anteaus

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I've not seen an issue getting either. I see them all over in Wal-Marts etc. Personally I'd give it a year before diving in. The catalog just isn't there.

This. Both consoles suck for games right now. Once you've blown through the 1-2 decent release titles either console has you'll be sitting like the rest of us waiting for new games while your new console is relegated to Netflix purgatory.
 

Arkaign

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Xbox Ones are not selling as much as they expected so there are lots of offers everywhere, while the PS4 is still hard to find in some places, so it could be a good time to get an Xbox One on sale now (Microsoft said they will slow down or stop production for a while to let existing inventory go).

This is true, and the implications are absolutely massive. Basically in the personnel changeover, the very high sales in Nov/Dec, expectations were that they'd have steady demand this year. Microsoft's released data shows that they were running production of 1M/mo for 2014.

This is hugely bad for a bunch of reasons, much worse than most people realize that don't know how manufacturing expenses play out with contracted manufacturing and warehousing. Idling the lines because you now have 1M+ without even potential orders means that the previous terms with the mfgs have to be altered to compensate for the expenses related to idling. All of the personnel, maintenance, material supply, distribution, storage, etc have to be accounted for under the standards of the contracts.

There are between 900k to 1.2m in the supply chain already, 1M+ warehoused (probably more than that actually), and this becomes a hugely expensive problem.

Sales aren't going to rebound with a $450/$500 price point.

This means several things :

(1)- It will be a good while before Kinect is out of the picture because there are ~2M+ unsold XB1s with Kinect already ready to go, and strong rumors of a 1 year contract to pack them in (makes sense given manufacturing commitments are 1 year+ as standard).

(2)- Given the massive inventory and terrible sales numbers, a very sizable price cut is extremely likely. The choice is : (A)- stick with $450 or $500 and keep production idled, keeping per unit margins up but losing ever increasing market share, or (B)- try to regain competitive foothold by dropping price to $399 or less, which torches E&D margins even more with their massive advertising and infrastructure expenses. Option A basically guarantees failure on a massive scale, so option B is much more likely.

(3)- Once the inventory in channel has gotten thinned a bit AND the warehoused units have gotten really moving, new production will get ramped up again, though it's likely they'll be looking to reduce expenses any way they can so that they can not get burned at the stake when the bean-counters look at the losses associated with the Xbox.

Net losses on Xbox are insane. ~4B+ lost with OG Xbox. A rough flatline with 360 for it's time. And now many billions more in the hole with XB1.

Sony really took a risk making the PS4, as the PS3 was a massive loser as well economically. PS1 and especially PS2 made tons of money, but PS3 could easily have led them to abandon gaming.

Anyway, E3 should be interesting for damned sure. I wonder how much time and leeway the Xbox division has left to right the financial ship. The way things are going Xbox may join Zune, and Phone and Surface may head that way as well. Microsoft makes stacks of money with Windows, Office, and Server. Everything else is basically a failure of minor to absolutely staggering proportions in pure financial terms.
 

cmdrdredd

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This. Both consoles suck for games right now. Once you've blown through the 1-2 decent release titles either console has you'll be sitting like the rest of us waiting for new games while your new console is relegated to Netflix purgatory.

That's your opinion.

People are still playing Infamous, Titanfall, Killer Instinct, Battlefield 4, Ghosts, Forza, the free PSN+ games etc. MLB The SHow comes out on PS4 in less than two weeks as well. There are games that are getting constant updates and online play extends the longevity further. Just because you played a couple games in single player and decided you were done, doesn't mean everyone will just ignore playing online and games that actually never end because you can continuously keep racing in Forza or practing/getting better at Killer Instinct.
 

purbeast0

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obviously it's his opinion. but the fact of the matter is that there isn't much variety or games on either consoles at this moment. so it's really not hard for the OP to do a little bit of research and see if it has anything he's interested in. if not, then don't buy it.

if killer instinct wasn't out i wouldn't be playing anything lol.
 

Anteaus

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That's your opinion.

People are still playing Infamous, Titanfall, Killer Instinct, Battlefield 4, Ghosts, Forza, the free PSN+ games etc. MLB The SHow comes out on PS4 in less than two weeks as well. There are games that are getting constant updates and online play extends the longevity further. Just because you played a couple games in single player and decided you were done, doesn't mean everyone will just ignore playing online and games that actually never end because you can continuously keep racing in Forza or practing/getting better at Killer Instinct.

I've got about 100 hours in Forza; however, in general I'm not one of those gamers that can put 100s of hours in any title except in rare circumstance). Neither console has seen more that a handful of new games since release, and most of those are on both platforms. I'm not saying there aren't games to play, but it's been 5-6 months. I'll concede that there are games to play, except to say that they are the same games you've been playing all this time.

I don't ignore online though. I'm playing Titanfall and Battlefield 4 on PC. So for me personally, neither console has me running to the store at the moment. I'm not blaming either console for that though. That will definitely change by the end of the year. There are some great games coming out for both sides.
 
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Bman123

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I own both and even with the ps4 being more powerful I still prefer the xbone. It really depends on what exclusives you want to play honestly. I like exclusives that both systems have, I had the money so I got both.

You should check craigslist, I got my xbone and ps4 for $600 total together. No reason to pay retail when these things are literally all over the place being sold cheap
 
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Muadib

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i can also tell you that the bluray player on both the ps4 and xbox1 suck. when i got them both i wanted to possibly get rid of my stand alone so i watched a movie on both of them. they are both garbage compared to my stand alone, plus they can't do 3d stuff now, so i watched 1 movie in each and that was it. i just use my standalone now, it's much better.

PSA: there is no E in bluray
What issues are you having using the ps4 as a Blu-ray player? I just watched GoT on mine, and other than having to use the controller as a remote, had no issues.
 

Ichinisan

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yeah ps3 is better than ps4 as a bluray player, as long a you don't have the 60gb launch. ...

What's wrong with the 60GB launch unit?

(YLoD failures were not-at-all exclusive to the 60GB)
 
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