XBone or PS4

[cmdrdredd]

What's wrong with the 60GB launch unit?

(YLoD failures were not-at-all exclusive to the 60GB)

It spins up a loud fan during long playback in my experience.

 

[railven]

It spins up a loud fan during long playback in my experience.

Only true if poorly maintained. I got a 60GB Launch unit that I still use for random stuff from Youtube to PS2 Classics.

After a good dusting, and moving it to a more open space, it doesn't get out of fan speed 1 (however, some PS2 classics get that thing going, like X360 Disc drive levels.)

For BD playback, thing hums and puts my PS4 to shame.

 

[railven]

@OP, if you're into JRPGs PS3 is still getting a bunch of releases (sadly more releases than PS4 at this point in time) but it is only specific to that genre as just about everything else is coming to stop.

If you could score a cheap PS3, you'd find a healthy catalog of things to do. My PS3 is being used more than my PS4. My Xbone is a dust magnet, and the PS4 is only seeing Netflix usage (mostly because it boots faster than the PS3 and switches my TV to the correct input - I'm lazy ).

 

[Ichinisan]

It spins up a loud fan during long playback in my experience.

Ah, OK. That's nowhere near as annoying as the unpredictable air conditioning in my apartment. It switches on and off for no reason, even when the current temperature matches the thermostat setting.

That, combined with a train that goes by frequently, requires CONSTANT volume adjustment, pausing, and rewinding. I should move.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Only true if poorly maintained. I got a 60GB Launch unit that I still use for random stuff from Youtube to PS2 Classics.

After a good dusting, and moving it to a more open space, it doesn't get out of fan speed 1 (however, some PS2 classics get that thing going, like X360 Disc drive levels.)

For BD playback, thing hums and puts my PS4 to shame.

Nope...I keep my stuff pristine in an open AV Rack and it always spun up the fan full blast when playing a Blu-Ray. Later models had a different sized fan that didn't spin up as high.

 

[railven]

Nope...I keep my stuff pristine in an open AV Rack and it always spun up the fan full blast when playing a Blu-Ray. Later models had a different sized fan that didn't spin up as high.

My guess is yours might be faulty to some degree. Loudest my PS3 60GB ever got was fan speed 4 and that was with it boxed in a cubby I diidn't realize wouldn't provide enough air flow (damn you Ikea).

Even my 20GB and 80GB MGS models rarely get loud.

Considering an argument for PS3's initial success was standalone BD player, noise was never a formal complaint. You should have exchanged/serviced yours.

EDIT: Doing some searches, seems initial units there were two manufacturers (like PS4) - China and Japan. So there is likely we have completely different experiences with our units. For example, my first PS4 was made in China and it had the dreaded BLOD. My replacement had a shiny Made in Japan sticker, thing hasn't had any issues.

So there is some validity to your claim, which sucks.

 

[purbeast0]

What's wrong with the 60GB launch unit?

(YLoD failures were not-at-all exclusive to the 60GB)

it can't do 3d + hd audio. but then again, neither can ps4 or x1 (yet, 3d is coming at some point)

 

[dguy6789]

I vote Xbox One because of things like Xbox Live(still completely outclasses PSN sorry guys), Forza, Halo, Gears, and now Titanfall. Then of course you still get all of the great multiplatform games that come out. If you're not into any of those franchises or multiplayer gaming then the PS4 is probably a better bet because it'll save you a benjamin.

 

[mmntech]

yeah ps3 is better than ps4 as a bluray player, as long a you don't have the 60gb launch.

Agreed. The PS3 is just far better all around for media than the PS4 is. Which is quite frankly a disgrace on Sony's, being a media company and all.

What's wrong with the 60GB launch unit?

(YLoD failures were not-at-all exclusive to the 60GB)

The 60GB is the Cadillac model, but they really are a ticking time bomb. The inherent design flaw with them IMO was the internal PSU. It's passively cooled, and those things get (literally, personal experience) scalding hot. Bakes the back of the mobo since there's little airflow at the top of the case. Combine that with two blast furnace chips and you've got a recipe for disaster. The big blower fan only delays the inevitable. Which is also why the damn things were so loud. Not as loud as the launch 360 but much louder than the newer ones.

The Slim is the best model in terms of reliability and quietness. I'm not a fan of the Super Slim. They look really cheap and flimsy.

 

[HeXen]

For BR player and racers. I'd say PS3 is the way to go, it has more racers and works with the Logitech G27 wheel.
Futurewise, I don't see that many racer's that aren't simulations except the Crew but without wheel support I'm not interested in racers personally.

 

[Majcric]

If rumors are true, The PS4 will get a software update for DLNA. I could really use this right now

 

[mmntech]

If rumors are true, The PS4 will get a software update for DLNA. I could really use this right now

Not in update 1.7, which is coming out later this week. Their "big update" is pretty weak sauce IMO. Mostly has to do with better Twitch support, saving recorded videos on external drive to upload elsewhere (because there's still no YouTube support), turning HDCP off, etc.

In the post on the official PS Blog, one of the devs strongly hinted that the media features were still in the works.

Here's a rundown of the media related stuff the PS3 can do that the PS4 can't.
-Play 3D Blu-Ray
-Play MP3, or other locally stored music
-Play locally stored videos not purchased form the PlayStation Store
-DLNA streaming
-SACD playback (though only on the older models)
-Media remote support
-YouTube app
-Display photos (IIRC, there's no photos app)

Basically, it's still pretty gimped in terms of functionality. Sony is supposedly working on getting this stuff going, but they're taking their sweet time. Which tells me they either never intended to add it, or they ran into some major problems somewhere.

 

[Anteaus]

Not in update 1.7, which is coming out later this week. Their "big update" is pretty weak sauce IMO. Mostly has to do with better Twitch support, saving recorded videos on external drive to upload elsewhere (because there's still no YouTube support), turning HDCP off, etc.

In the post on the official PS Blog, one of the devs strongly hinted that the media features were still in the works.

Here's a rundown of the media related stuff the PS3 can do that the PS4 can't.
-Play 3D Blu-Ray
-Play MP3, or other locally stored music
-Play locally stored videos not purchased form the PlayStation Store
-DLNA streaming
-SACD playback (though only on the older models)
-Media remote support
-YouTube app
-Display photos (IIRC, there's no photos app)

Basically, it's still pretty gimped in terms of functionality. Sony is supposedly working on getting this stuff going, but they're taking their sweet time. Which tells me they either never intended to add it, or they ran into some major problems somewhere.

Honestly, I don't think they intended to add most of that. In fact, I'll go further to say that Sony had originally intended on forcing people to use online services to get non-bluray media. This way they could advertise and get a piece of the action. Originally there were no plans for DLNA, music cds, local digital music, local digital video, etc. In my opinion that was almost as bad as XB1s early DRM. By forcing everyone online, it kinda defeats the whole offline premise. To further complicate things for Sony, MS openly announced full multimedia support, though some of it would come post release. All Sony could do was react at that point. I'm happy they are putting it all in, but at the same time they might be dragging their feet on purpose.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/30/5047274/sony-posts-massive-ps4-faq

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2013/11/13/5098934/sony-aim-to-implement-ps4-mp3-cd-playback-in-patch

MS deserves some criticism here also, because while the XB1 does have DLNA support, it only supports Windows 8 push-DLNA. Users such as myself who run dedicated DLNA servers can't use it. It's quite odd really, given that my TV has built-in DLNA support that has no problem using it, but my XB1 can't?

Based purely on multimedia functionality as it stands today, my opinion is that Sony gets a D a XB1 gets a C. Both pale in comparison to the systems they replaced based solely on multimedia support. I'm not talking about gaming.

 

[sze5003]

Buy which one has the games you are interested in playing. So many of these threads.

 

[mmntech]

Honestly, I don't think they intended to add most of that. In fact, I'll go further to say that Sony had originally intended on forcing people to use online services to get non-bluray media. This way they could advertise and get a piece of the action. Originally there were no plans for DLNA, music cds, local digital music, local digital video, etc. In my opinion that was almost as bad as XB1s early DRM. By forcing everyone online, it kinda defeats the whole offline premise. To further complicate things for Sony, MS openly announced full multimedia support, though some of it would come post release. All Sony could do was react at that point. I'm happy they are putting it all in, but at the same time they might be dragging their feet on purpose.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/30/5047274/sony-posts-massive-ps4-faq

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2013/11/13/5098934/sony-aim-to-implement-ps4-mp3-cd-playback-in-patch

MS deserves some criticism here also, because while the XB1 does have DLNA support, it only supports Windows 8 push-DLNA. Users such as myself who run dedicated DLNA servers can't use it. It's quite odd really, given that my TV has built-in DLNA support that has no problem using it, but my XB1 can't?

Based purely on multimedia functionality as it stands today, my opinion is that Sony gets a D a XB1 gets a C. Both pale in comparison to the systems they replaced based solely on multimedia support. I'm not talking about gaming.

I remember us (ATCG) having this discussion way back when the PS4 first launched. Sony made it pretty clear they wanted to push people towards their online video and music streaming services. Which is the way the winds are blowing, I'll give them that.

A lot of people though still have sizeable Blu-ray, DVD, and music collections. They want it all one one device, instead of having two that hog up their entertainment centre. So of course there was going to be fan backlash when you launch a new system that's clearly inferior to its predecessor. Not that it's hurting sales though.

Me personally, I have an XBMC box I built out of a nettop which works just fine. Plays just about everything. The only thing it doesn't do is Blu-ray, since BD doesn't play nice with Linux.

 

[HeXen]

PS4 still doesn't have the game suspend do they? They advertised that feature, is it even coming?

 

[Regz]

+1 for ps4

 

[Majcric]

Not in update 1.7, which is coming out later this week. Their "big update" is pretty weak sauce IMO. Mostly has to do with better Twitch support, saving recorded videos on external drive to upload elsewhere (because there's still no YouTube support), turning HDCP off, etc.

In the post on the official PS Blog, one of the devs strongly hinted that the media features were still in the works.

Here's a rundown of the media related stuff the PS3 can do that the PS4 can't.
-Play 3D Blu-Ray
-Play MP3, or other locally stored music
-Play locally stored videos not purchased form the PlayStation Store
-DLNA streaming
-SACD playback (though only on the older models)
-Media remote support
-YouTube app
-Display photos (IIRC, there's no photos app)

Basically, it's still pretty gimped in terms of functionality. Sony is supposedly working on getting this stuff going, but they're taking their sweet time. Which tells me they either never intended to add it, or they ran into some major problems somewhere.

I just hope Sony will implement the above mentioned through software and a revised PS4 (newer model) isn't necessary. I remember when I bought my Xbox 360 it didn't support HDMI and later Microsoft offered this.

 

[cmdrdredd]

PS4 still doesn't have the game suspend do they? They advertised that feature, is it even coming?

Not like they mentioned last year where you can go to standby and then come right back to the game.

I just hope Sony will implement the above mentioned through software and a revised PS4 (newer model) isn't necessary. I remember when I bought my Xbox 360 it didn't support HDMI and later Microsoft offered this.

These are all software related things that can be added to the OS or with a specific app. They did mention that 3D is supported just not implemented in the software. Games work in 3D so the ability is there. MP3 just requires support for the file format etc

 

[mingsoup]

How easily we forget how M$hafter was ready to ram us with the Xbone and its bogus DRM schemes.

PS4 all the way. Cheaper, more consumer oriented, and the hardware is so far proving to be better than the Xbone which was predicted and thus far confirmed. Considering its a multiplatform worlds nowadays more so than ever before, this is a pretty big deal.

PS4.

 

[Aikouka]

PS4 still doesn't have the game suspend do they? They advertised that feature, is it even coming?

We haven't really heard anything about when, but yes, it's still on the docket. Although, pondering resume-from-suspend makes me wonder how Sony will implement it, and is it possible that their implementation is what's causing the delay. The PS4 already supports suspending software (but only one) to the background while the PS4 is operational. However, that most likely keeps its state/data in memory. I have a feeling that the PS4 doesn't really keep the memory active while in its standby state, which means it either has to or it needs to find another way to solve the problem. An example is that when a computer hibernates, it stores the memory snapshot to disk.

They did mention that 3D is supported just not implemented in the software. Games work in 3D so the ability is there. MP3 just requires support for the file format etc

Given that the PS4 and X1 use a GCN 1.0(1.1?)-based GPUs, it should support UVD. Since the GPU is semi-custom, I can't really guarantee it, but I would be surprised if it didn't. Anyway, the point is that UVD handles the decoding for Blu-ray 3D; however, they need to enable software support.

Although, as others said, I'm really disappointed in the lack of a media remote for the PS4. Also, I conferring with someone in the main thread over a Blu-ray disc that wouldn't work on the PS4, but it does elsewhere.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yeah I think they need to code it in so that in standby the memory is loaded to the disk or doesn't completely shutdown and just saves the state like computer sleep mode (use more power) and I don't know if that could be done all through software.

 

[sze5003]

I never understood either how they would get that to work properly. Could it have been just marketing talk? I mean the current stand by allows downloads in the background. It decreases boot time by a bit too but not by a suprising amount.

I'm sure it's possible. I've read that watch dogs will have little loading times which means the data will be streamed to the hd and system in real time. They need to find a way to create a session and store it temporarily in cache. And if you are also caching the exact area and point of the game you suspend on, it could be quite difficult. My guess is they could do it so that you start up from the last save point but that isn't exactly the same thing we are talking about.

 

[Lil Frier]

How easily we forget how M$hafter was ready to ram us with the Xbone and its bogus DRM schemes.

PS4 all the way. Cheaper, more consumer oriented, and the hardware is so far proving to be better than the Xbone which was predicted and thus far confirmed. Considering its a multiplatform worlds nowadays more so than ever before, this is a pretty big deal.

PS4.

I'd counter and say that Microsoft was also the one to reverse course and offer meaningful software improvements faster than what Sony has--and that goes for Windows Phone 8 and windows 8 as well. As a whole, Microsoft's been reasonably open with their intentions going forward and avoided the typically-slow advances from the past.

I also don't think that the DRM was the hellish nightmare people expected, but Microsoft's P.R. failed at straightening things out on that front. If it was true that you could share a game with up to 10 people, and even potentially have one of them play at the same time as you, it would have been well worth the DRM check (though it could have been implemented better). Being able to basically split game costs with 3-4 people on each purchase would be awesome.

 

[Shadowknight]

Me personally, I have an XBMC box I built out of a nettop which works just fine. Plays just about everything. The only thing it doesn't do is Blu-ray, since BD doesn't play nice with Linux.

Makemkv plus the makemkv extension for xbmc will allow limited blue ray playback.