Xbox 1 X is gonna be $499

[zerocool84]

I've decided to wait to get this even though I have the Scorpio Edition pre-ordered on Amazon.

I already have a PS4 Pro and a normal Xbox One. I was planning on selling my current Xbox to use towards this. Yes the Pro is not as powerful, and multi platform games from the previews on the One X look much better. But honestly the only games I will play on Xbox will be Forza at this moment as I already have such a huge backlog of PS4 games. Plus Super Mario Odyssey to play as well. I'm going to hold off. There will probably be some good bundle deals the closer to the Christmas anyways.

 

[Sonikku]

Who has 4K tv with HDR 10?

I do. I got a e65-e1 last november for $600. It's no OLED screen, but a 65" 4k tv with HDR 10 for $600 is within the realm of affordability for most households. I expect it to become more adopted in the next couple of years.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Who has 4K tv with HDR 10?

I’ve had one for nearly 2 years.

 

[zerocool84]

I do. I got a e65-e1 last november for $600. It's no OLED screen, but a 65" 4k tv with HDR 10 for $600 is within the realm of affordability for most households. I expect it to become more adopted in the next couple of years.

You can definitely get cheap ones now, albeit without HDR which it's the biggest difference maker. But I'm seeing 4k tv's very cheap now.

I got my 55" Samsung KU6300 around Superbowl time for $500 and 4k stuff looks absolutely amazing.

 

[purbeast0]

I'm not going to have 4K or HDR any time in the near future because home projectors aren't really even close to being gameable or affordable at this point.

 

[Sonikku]

You can definitely get cheap ones now, albeit without HDR which it's the biggest difference maker. But I'm seeing 4k tv's very cheap now.

I got my 55" Samsung KU6300 around Superbowl time for $500 and 4k stuff looks absolutely amazing.

Surprisingly enough, when I got my TV in november it actually didn't have HDR 10. I was delighted to find Vizio added it to the E series via a firmware update this year. It should be noted however that it is not as good as Dolby Vision sets with a wide color gamut. But for $600, even getting the basic version of HDR10 is a nice treat. Right now I hear the two to get for gamers are the 55" TCL one for $400 with HDR10 or if you can afford it the 55" TCL one for $600 with Dolby Vision and wide color. They reportedly have very low input lag and play great for HDR gaming.

 

[zerocool84]

Surprisingly enough, when I got my TV in november it actually didn't have HDR 10. I was delighted to find Vizio added it to the E series via a firmware update this year. It should be noted however that it is not as good as Dolby Vision sets with a wide color gamut. But for $600, even getting the basic version of HDR10 is a nice treat. Right now I hear the two to get for gamers are the 55" TCL one for $400 with HDR10 or if you can afford it the 55" TCL one for $600 with Dolby Vision and wide color. They reportedly have very low input lag and play great for HDR gaming.

Yea I've looked at those TCL ones. My Samsung only has full support for 4k HDR on one HDMI portable which sucks. That TCL one for $600 is killer. But I'm going to wait at least another year to buy a TV. I want to see how low those OLED sets can get.

 

[Sonikku]

I don't know what kind of budget you're looking at, but I doubt OLED is getting "affordable" any time soon. They literally cost ten times as much as the tv's we're talking about. Maybe in a year they'll "only" cost eight times as much.

 

[zerocool84]

I don't know what kind of budget you're looking at, but I doubt OLED is getting "affordable" any time soon. They literally cost ten times as much as the tv's we're talking about. Maybe in a year they'll "only" cost eight times as much.

I've seen last year's LG OLED models drop to around $1500 on special deals for a 55". Not too bad considering how expensive they used to be and the huge visual upgrade.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Surprisingly enough, when I got my TV in november it actually didn't have HDR 10. I was delighted to find Vizio added it to the E series via a firmware update this year. It should be noted however that it is not as good as Dolby Vision sets with a wide color gamut. But for $600, even getting the basic version of HDR10 is a nice treat. Right now I hear the two to get for gamers are the 55" TCL one for $400 with HDR10 or if you can afford it the 55" TCL one for $600 with Dolby Vision and wide color. They reportedly have very low input lag and play great for HDR gaming.

Yeah the lack of 10bit color is kind of disappointing when you've seen the difference but I did pay $2k for my TV lol. Luckily my Samsung has under 24ms input lag when playing games in HDR too.

 

[Aikouka]

I don't know what kind of budget you're looking at, but I doubt OLED is getting "affordable" any time soon. They literally cost ten times as much as the tv's we're talking about. Maybe in a year they'll "only" cost eight times as much.

When I was looking at 65" TVs, the comparable OLED TV (65" LG C7) was only about 10% more expensive than the TV that I went with (65" Sony 930e). There were two reasons why I didn't go with it though. OLED panels aren't as bright as LCDs. This isn't a huge deal for normal content, but HDR is considered best if your TV can hit a certain brightness. (One of the bonuses of HDR is really bright, brights.) The other is that OLED panels still suffer from burn-in, but it has gotten better over the years. LG includes a feature to help reduce burn-in by slightly shifting pixels around, but it can still happen. If it does, there's a process to remove it that can take a few minutes. Since I use my TV with an HTPC often, I didn't want to go through that. Also, the 930e has pretty good blacks

 

[cmdrdredd]

When I was looking at 65" TVs, the comparable OLED TV (65" LG C7) was only about 10% more expensive than the TV that I went with (65" Sony 930e). There were two reasons why I didn't go with it though. OLED panels aren't as bright as LCDs. This isn't a huge deal for normal content, but HDR is considered best if your TV can hit a certain brightness. (One of the bonuses of HDR is really bright, brights.) The other is that OLED panels still suffer from burn-in, but it has gotten better over the years. LG includes a feature to help reduce burn-in by slightly shifting pixels around, but it can still happen. If it does, there's a process to remove it that can take a few minutes. Since I use my TV with an HTPC often, I didn't want to go through that. Also, the 930e has pretty good blacks

True but as far as HDR is concerned the perceived brightness in a dark room(the way hdr should be viewed)can be just as good with OLED. Since they have absolute blacks, the highlights even though they max out around 700nits, can appear as bright as an LCD panel with 1000nits of brightness. The rest is really a personal call.

 

[Aikouka]

True but as far as HDR is concerned the perceived brightness in a dark room(the way hdr should be viewed)can be just as good with OLED. Since they have absolute blacks, the highlights even though they max out around 700nits, can appear as bright as an LCD panel with 1000nits of brightness. The rest is really a personal call.

Yeah, I don't think most people will notice all that much or even care. I mentioned it in that TV thread, but I do think sound matters more than visuals anyway. I still need to find the best way to get into my ceiling so I can mount some Atmos-capable speakers. My receiver supports 5.2.4, and you darn know I want to use it! Although, I don't think any games supposed something like Dolby Atmos or DTS:X, so that is more of a focus for movie watching rather than gaming. I know Xbox One has a Dolby Atmos, and I know Overwatch supports it, but I don't know of any others.

 

[JujuFish]

When I was looking at 65" TVs, the comparable OLED TV (65" LG C7) was only about 10% more expensive than the TV that I went with (65" Sony 930e). There were two reasons why I didn't go with it though. OLED panels aren't as bright as LCDs. This isn't a huge deal for normal content, but HDR is considered best if your TV can hit a certain brightness. (One of the bonuses of HDR is really bright, brights.) The other is that OLED panels still suffer from burn-in, but it has gotten better over the years. LG includes a feature to help reduce burn-in by slightly shifting pixels around, but it can still happen. If it does, there's a process to remove it that can take a few minutes. Since I use my TV with an HTPC often, I didn't want to go through that. Also, the 930e has pretty good blacks

I'm seriously considering a 65" TV for Black Friday. I'm not sure if I want to spend quite as much as these two cost, but I'll keep this in mind when the time comes. Thanks.

 

[Aikouka]

I'm seriously considering a 65" TV for Black Friday. I'm not sure if I want to spend quite as much as these two cost, but I'll keep this in mind when the time comes. Thanks.

For quite a while, Rtings (a popular TV review website) was recommending the LG B7 over the C7 simply because it was discounted due to being the previous year's model. I don't know if you'll be able to find one anymore, but if you can, that's always an option. I think the B7 does have worse burn-in than the C7, but it's still correctable. You could always consider a TV like Sony's 900e over the 930e. The 930e is brighter and has some better tech built-in, but it's not likely something that you'll notice. The 930e will also receive Dolby Vision via update, but the 900e will not. While I've heard plenty of good things about Dolby Vision, you also have to keep in mind that not all 4K Blu-ray players even support it. LG and Philips are supposed to be releasing firmware to support it. I think LG did, but it had issues and got pulled. Oppo's 203 and 205 models support it, but in typical fashion, they're quite expensive. I think the 203 has a MSRP of $550 where Sam's Club carries a model of Philips 4K player (7302 vs 7502) for about $160.

...or to sum it up, 4K and all its fancy features are really in its teething phase right now. It might be better to spend less now and see which features end up "winning". (There's an alternative to Dolby Vision called HDR10+.)

 

[purbeast0]

While I'm not saying people in this thread are this way, I always find it funny when people think that TV's being bright means they are "good". Like most people just turn their brightness up and think their color is set properly.

I remember when I first had people over for an NFL game after I got my projector, it was a game in DC and it was raining outside. My brother commented how the picture looked a bit dim and not very bright. I was like "dude, go look outside ... it's raining, it's not bright outside. That's what it looks like outside." He then got it and hasn't really said anything since then lol.

 

[sze5003]

While I'm not saying people in this thread are this way, I always find it funny when people think that TV's being bright means they are "good". Like most people just turn their brightness up and think their color is set properly.

I remember when I first had people over for an NFL game after I got my projector, it was a game in DC and it was raining outside. My brother commented how the picture looked a bit dim and not very bright. I was like "dude, go look outside ... it's raining, it's not bright outside. That's what it looks like outside." He then got it and hasn't really said anything since then lol.

I agree I don't like the oversaturated displays. I prefer the more natural colors. I guess some people are just used to it. All the Samsung displays in stores run vivid mode with brightness jacked all the way up so they look very good. They rarely look like that at home if you calibrate it correctly.

 

[purbeast0]

I agree I don't like the oversaturated displays. I prefer the more natural colors. I guess some people are just used to it. All the Samsung displays in stores run vivid mode with brightness jacked all the way up so they look very good. They rarely look like that at home if you calibrate it correctly.

Yeah the only time I use the dynamic mode on my projector (which is very similar to a vivid mode) is when watching a 3D bluray because the active glasses make it darker. I rarely use 3D though. The gaming mode is a bit brighter though, which is okay to me since it has no noticeable input lag.

I used the Disney WOW disc to calibrate it when I first got it and it looks great.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yeah, I don't think most people will notice all that much or even care. I mentioned it in that TV thread, but I do think sound matters more than visuals anyway. I still need to find the best way to get into my ceiling so I can mount some Atmos-capable speakers. My receiver supports 5.2.4, and you darn know I want to use it! Although, I don't think any games supposed something like Dolby Atmos or DTS:X, so that is more of a focus for movie watching rather than gaming. I know Xbox One has a Dolby Atmos, and I know Overwatch supports it, but I don't know of any others.

Star Wars battlefront, overwatch, gears of war 4, crackdown 3, and use Atmos. All other games can be upmixed with Dolby Surround Upmixer or DTS Neural X

 

[cmdrdredd]

For quite a while, Rtings (a popular TV review website) was recommending the LG B7 over the C7 simply because it was discounted due to being the previous year's model. I don't know if you'll be able to find one anymore, but if you can, that's always an option. I think the B7 does have worse burn-in than the C7, but it's still correctable. You could always consider a TV like Sony's 900e over the 930e. The 930e is brighter and has some better tech built-in, but it's not likely something that you'll notice. The 930e will also receive Dolby Vision via update, but the 900e will not. While I've heard plenty of good things about Dolby Vision, you also have to keep in mind that not all 4K Blu-ray players even support it. LG and Philips are supposed to be releasing firmware to support it. I think LG did, but it had issues and got pulled. Oppo's 203 and 205 models support it, but in typical fashion, they're quite expensive. I think the 203 has a MSRP of $550 where Sam's Club carries a model of Philips 4K player (7302 vs 7502) for about $160.

...or to sum it up, 4K and all its fancy features are really in its teething phase right now. It might be better to spend less now and see which features end up "winning". (There's an alternative to Dolby Vision called HDR10+.)

HDR10+ is going nowhere. It’s not adopted by the UHD alliance as a standard. I think there is only a couple amazon shows that support it and only on newer Samsung displays. Doesn’t seem to be getting much support.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I agree I don't like the oversaturated displays. I prefer the more natural colors. I guess some people are just used to it. All the Samsung displays in stores run vivid mode with brightness jacked all the way up so they look very good. They rarely look like that at home if you calibrate it correctly.

Most people don’t know what natural looks like. For example getting the display close to 6500k white point because whites are not supposed to be paper white. Most people will gravitate toward a cooler color setting with more blue in the greyscale which is technically incorrect. In fact most people plug it in and set it to standard and leave it. Never knowing that things like motion interpolation, noise filters, and color temp exist and affect the picture.

 

[zerocool84]

Most people don’t know what natural looks like. For example getting the display close to 6500k white point because whites are not supposed to be paper white. Most people will gravitate toward a cooler color setting with more blue in the greyscale which is technically incorrect. In fact most people plug it in and set it to standard and leave it. Never knowing that things like motion interpolation, noise filters, and color temp exist and affect the picture.

Don't even get me started with that. I've been to people's houses that had 70"+ larger tv's and they were feeding it video over composite cables.

 

[Sonikku]

Don't even get me started with that. I've been to people's houses that had 70"+ larger tv's and they were feeding it video over composite cables.

 

[Aikouka]

While I'm not saying people in this thread are this way, I always find it funny when people think that TV's being bright means they are "good". Like most people just turn their brightness up and think their color is set properly.

Just to be clear, when I talk about brightness on TVs, it's really just in reference to what's useful for HDR. I just took the lazy approach and used the settings from Rtings for my TV. I have tools at my disposal to calibrate the screen myself including Disney WOW! and also HFCR + Spyder colorimeter. But I don't know if I'll really gain much over the Rtings settings. I might try it on one of my other TVs to see how it works... and to give me a reason to actually take my Spyder unit out of the box.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Just to be clear, when I talk about brightness on TVs, it's really just in reference to what's useful for HDR. I just took the lazy approach and used the settings from Rtings for my TV. I have tools at my disposal to calibrate the screen myself including Disney WOW! and also HFCR + Spyder colorimeter. But I don't know if I'll really gain much over the Rtings settings. I might try it on one of my other TVs to see how it works... and to give me a reason to actually take my Spyder unit out of the box.

Every panel is different even between two examples of the same model. Their settings may look ok and be close but you can get closer to reference if you do the full calibration. I didn’t calibrate my tv though fwiw.