Xbox 1 X is gonna be $499

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JujuFish

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great specs and all - this is honestly a new console as opposed to ps4pro. [...] console disparity is too great - xbox1x is actually going to deliver 4K whereas Ps4Pro barely delivers it.
LOL, no. PS4 Pro is 70% of the power of the XOX. By comparison, that's almost the exact same difference, in reverse, between the base PS4 and Xbone (71%), and those are quite clearly the same generation.

Sony needs to drop to 325/350 during xmas to secure the userbase; they don't have a choice. [...] Sony also needs killer/must-have software for PSVR.

Sony doesn't need to do anything because of the $499 price. You can bet your ass they would have had to respond if the XOX debuted at $399, but that didn't happen. Sony can sit happy at their $399 price, and maybe consider a price drop on the base model.
 

zerocool84

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LOL, no. PS4 Pro is 70% of the power of the XOX. By comparison, that's almost the exact same difference, in reverse, between the base PS4 and Xbone (71%), and those are quite clearly the same generation.



Sony doesn't need to do anything because of the $499 price. You can bet your ass they would have had to respond if the XOX debuted at $399, but that didn't happen. Sony can sit happy at their $399 price, and maybe consider a price drop on the base model.
Exactly Sony doesn't need to do anything. Sony isn't the underdog this generation. It's Microsoft that is behind, they are the ones that need to keep it super competitive.

I just think that while us hard-core gamers love a super powerful consoles, the price puts it to a point its just not going to sell much. Consoles that expensive just don't sell a ton, history has shown, especially when there is a way to okay the exact same games while paying half the price.
 

purbeast0

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Exactly Sony doesn't need to do anything. Sony isn't the underdog this generation. It's Microsoft that is behind, they are the ones that need to keep it super competitive.

I just think that while us hard-core gamers love a super powerful consoles, the price puts it to a point its just not going to sell much. Consoles that expensive just don't sell a ton, history has shown, especially when there is a way to okay the exact same games while paying half the price.
If the Xbox One X was a new console with completely new games and had just 1 that looked interesting to me, I would have purchased it day 1 for $500. Even without owning a 4k display.

But the fact it plays the same exact games I can play right now with some better graphics and nothing more, and that there is nothing exciting exclusive to that console, I have absolutely no interest in it.
 

cmdrdredd

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I entertained the idea of a PS4 Pro, but it never really enticed me and the same with a $500 Xbox. They also don't have the carrot of exclusives since everything is either ported over to PC or Play Anywhere for first party titles.

This is my biggest problem with it. I don't need an xbox because I have a PC. If they want to sell the xbox console they need to make us need it for a specific game or games. Granted we are not the majority of the gaming market but I'm speaking purely from my standpoint.
 

cmdrdredd

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Dec 12, 2001
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Like a Halo? Is there really a super strong anything this gen that isn't just a new update of an older IP?

I could name a couple that aren't out yet but they couldn't be considered "super strong" with no reviews etc.

I didn't think M$ cared about their user base... Forza Horizon 3 is on PC now so that leaves Halo 5 (mediocre at best) and not much else. I don't see their plan with demoing more powerful hardware other than to simply do it just because.

PS4 has HZD, Last of Us Remastered + Uncharted, The Last Guardian, Bloodborne and the new God of War is due next year. There's also Until Dawn and Gravity Rush for the more obscure tasted.

Also Shenmue 3 is still being developed for PS4 and Windows. No Xbox version. Probably will be a decent selling game when it releases due to the fact that people have waited like 15 years between Shenmue 2 and 3.

When the Xbox One S came out it was a cheap good 4k Blu-ray player. I'm already seeing players around $200 so by the time it's out it won't be a deal in that area anymore.

Its such a retarded name. When someone goes into a store with little info which many do, it's not easy to tell which is the better version. Pro is an easier way to designate its better, X doesn't.

New players will support Dolby Vision too. From what I've found, the Xbox won't support it for UHD Blu-Ray. You can get a UHD Blu-Ray player with Dolby Vision support for half the price of the XB1-X and if you don't need DV there were deals for $99
 
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sze5003

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Well I think $500 is steep considering they don't have any crazy exclusives. I have the Xbox one now and haven't even turned it on in 6 months. I've got Forza, halo, pretty much a few other exclusives but I've been playing more on the PC and PS4.

I kept the Xbox one so I could trade it in when the time comes. I may just do that so I could have the ability to purchase the one x. It may be more powerful than ps4 pro but without good games to make people buy it, sales won't be so good. I'm more excited about last of us, horizon dlc, God of war.

I've also been playing nioh on the PS4 and I suck at soul type games but the faster pace helps me a lot in that game.
 

HOOfan 1

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All of the games are coming out for Windows 10 too. I'd rather spend a little more and build a more powerful PC. $500 is too much for a resolution upgrade.
 
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KentState

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Well I think $500 is steep considering they don't have any crazy exclusives. I have the Xbox one now and haven't even turned it on in 6 months. I've got Forza, halo, pretty much a few other exclusives but I've been playing more on the PC and PS4.

I kept the Xbox one so I could trade it in when the time comes. I may just do that so I could have the ability to purchase the one x. It may be more powerful than ps4 pro but without good games to make people buy it, sales won't be so good. I'm more excited about last of us, horizon dlc, God of war.

I've also been playing nioh on the PS4 and I suck at soul type games but the faster pace helps me a lot in that game.

That's been the reversal of this generation for me also. My XB1 has had the same game in the drive for 6+ months and doesn't get used. I either play exclusives on PS4 or Forza on PC.

I also find it funny that the XB1X is being considered 4k when there is a strong indication that it will use checkboard rendering on a good many games. It's not like AMD and MS came up with some secret formula on how to stretch the 480/580 and lackluster CPU to render 4k@60fps.
 

HitAnyKey

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This is the infamous Scorpion I waited for? Not impressed.

Any word on VR accessories and games for Xbox? I think if they had paired this "Supercomputer Xbox" to some bleeding edge titles they could have given more people a reason to buy/upgrade.

Instead you see a console that plays the same games as the cheaper one and wonder is it really worth it? Again, give us a real reason to upgrade not just specs.
 

HOOfan 1

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Microsoft basically stated from the outset that this wasn't going to be a generational leap. The hardware that was announced several months ago showed it wasn't going to be much more powerful than the PS4 Pro. Digital Foundry said something about Microsoft wanting to build a console equivalent to a $1000 computer for $500. That may have been the case when they first started designing it, but now you could build an $800 computer which is more powerful. The outdated CPU in the Xbox One X is going to hold it back some.

Someone else suggested that maybe Microsoft doesn't plan for the Xbox One X to be the savior of this generation for Microsoft, but a way to push Xbox One S sales.
 

ronbo613

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In a couple years, you'll be able to toss a $499 console in the garage with a pile of non-compatible games, all in perfect working condition, instead of a $350 console with a pile of non-compatible games. Same as it ever was, albeit with a higher cost.
 

HOOfan 1

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Microsoft has been better about backward compatibility than Sony. They just announced that they are working on making Original Xbox games compatible on the Xbox One. There are already almost 400 Xbox 360 games that work on the Xbox One.

Hopefully Microsoft continues to carry through with their plans to make backwards compatibility a priority in the future.
 

Tweak155

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I normally don't care TOO much about BC, just a "nice to have" in case I want to use it, but I've used it a decent amount already on XB1 for 360 titles.

As far as Xbox titles though, I can only think of one I'd really want to give a go - Burnout 3.

Overall I think it's a nice feature, but not a system seller.
 

Anubis

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all this hardware is wasted because there still isn't a single game worth playing on the xbox that doesn't also exist on the PC or PS4.

all multy platform games will be more or less the same across the consoles with minor pointless graphical tweaks here and there. because game devs want the same "game play experience" on all platforms
 
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Skel

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I normally don't care TOO much about BC, just a "nice to have" in case I want to use it, but I've used it a decent amount already on XB1 for 360 titles.

As far as Xbox titles though, I can only think of one I'd really want to give a go - Burnout 3.

Overall I think it's a nice feature, but not a system seller.

When the consoles were launched there were a ton of people that bitched that the systems didn't have BC.. now that MS has it, no one really cares. Personally I'd rather have BC than see the resources that could be used to make a new sequel or new IP (lol, doubt that'll happen any time soon) make a remake of a game from the older gen. Yeah, I get it's easy money for the company doing it, but I don't care as much about what's good for them as much as I care about where my money is being spent. I want new stuff, not old games made pretty with new graphics.
 

cmdrdredd

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It's a good price for the specs.

Not really. You have to remember that specs are meaningless on a console. You can't turn on new features or run at higher framerates because there's a slight clock speed bump. You have no control over the software side. You may be able to choose the resolution but everything else from the textures to the shaders to the frame rate is determined by the developer. Unlike a PC where the extra speed may allow you to run with better shadows and textures while still getting 60fps, you don't have the ability to choose on the console. So in essence the specs are wasted. Not to mention Destiny 2 is locked to 30fps across the board. The CPU upgrade on the PS4 Pro and XB1-X are ~30% and that's simply not enough to swing 60fps consistently. So for $500 you don't get a better experience over a $400 console for 3rd party titles so I don't think the price argument is valid at all. Assassins Creed Origins uses checkboard rendering to achieve a 4k resolution(fancy upscaling) on the XB1-X just as it does on the PS4 Pro. In fact there is a lot if hints that most games releasing on the XB1-X are not going to run native 4k and hit 60fps but will use some form of dynamic resolution and checkboard rendering to achieve that output. So it's not doing anything that the PS4 Pro isn't and it's still a $100 premium. When you talk first party titles, I can play those on my PC. So could anyone. Sure Forza 7 is the one game they announced that was native 4k but when I watched the video it was obvious to me that they cut the LOD a bit so you can't see that far into the distance. That's the trade off they made.
 
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shortylickens

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Too expensive and isn't going to sell a lot at all. PS4 Pro isn't selling a ton and I bought one. Xbox One X (which is a stupid name) is just too expensive. Great hardware, no doubt about that but it's just too expensive. I would have bought one at $400 but I'll wait for the inevitable price drop months after release.

When the One S came out I bought the classic for a nicely reduced price. Made me happy.

But yeah I really dont see the point in making incremental upgrades to game consoles. Seems like a recipe for irritating people. My little cousins (who are kinda stupid anyway) honestly thought Microsoft was releasing a NEW console and I had a heck of a time explaining the situation to them.
 

evident

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consoles are such a huge waste of money. and now they will just collect dust at a higher initial purchasing price.
 

zerocool84

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consoles are such a huge waste of money. and now they will just collect dust at a higher initial purchasing price.
Sure they are, such a waste that people are mad when PC get horrible ports of the game or are lucky enough to get the game at all.
 
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Sonikku

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You people seem to forget the PS3 went for $600. That was a decade ago, when $600 was worth more than it is today. Considering the Xbone X is a premium version aimed at hardcore gamers and not the cheaper base model, I can see it working. I think the thing that made the Playstation Pro a bit of a downer is that it couldn't do higher end blu rays at its premium price point that the Xbone Slim was doing for less.
 

purbeast0

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That's completely different - PS3 was a new generation console. It played brand new games that you couldn't play anywhere else with a completely new online infrastructure, a bluray drive, etc.

X1X plays the same games you can play on the $250 (or however much it is) console, run the same apps, go online just the same, use the same controllers, etc.

The whole upgrade cycle this gen is just stupid and I really think it's going to hurt the console industry as a whole in general.
 
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Anubis

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the PS3 also included a BR drive which was something like 3-400$ by itself at the time

sony took a massive loss on those simply to get BR into peoples houses
 
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