Xbox 1 X is gonna be $499

[purbeast0]

This is very likely. I feel this is the only logical way how consoles will be able to keep up with PCs in the future. The line between the two will blur further. same will be the fate of the line between a "new generation console" and an upgraded console. Releasing a console every 4 years with a new name (e.g. Xbox One >> One X) is pretty much the same thing as releasing a console after 6 years and calling it PS5. I mean, where exactly do we draw the line? Come to think to it, Xbox One X is a new generation console with better specs and power, yet retaining its ability to play xbox one games and supporting the titles prior to it.

It's not the same at all. It's different in the sense that PS5 games won't work on PS4. You are looking at it only from one direction. Sure the X1X and Pro will play X1 and PS4 games. But think about it from the other side. The X1 and PS4 also play X1X and Pro games.

That isn't the case if a PS5 game out. PS4 wouldn't be able to play PS5 games. They would be designed from the ground up to work only on the PS5 and take advantage of the extra power.

The way it is now with this stupid upgrade cycle they are developing games for the least common denominator. Also this increases development costs (and time) as well for exclusives since it requires more testing and tweaking.

 

[cmdrdredd]

It's not the same at all. It's different in the sense that PS5 games won't work on PS4. You are looking at it only from one direction. Sure the X1X and Pro will play X1 and PS4 games. But think about it from the other side. The X1 and PS4 also play X1X and Pro games.

That isn't the case if a PS5 game out. PS4 wouldn't be able to play PS5 games. They would be designed from the ground up to work only on the PS5 and take advantage of the extra power.

The way it is now with this stupid upgrade cycle they are developing games for the least common denominator. Also this increases development costs (and time) as well for exclusives since it requires more testing and tweaking.

Also as I mentioned most of the upgrades for the new and better console are patched in and not written into the engine from the beginning. Then you need more patching to fix bugs the first patch introduced. See last of us remastered for example and that is a first party studio.

 

[XSoldier77X]

It's not the same at all. It's different in the sense that PS5 games won't work on PS4. You are looking at it only from one direction. Sure the X1X and Pro will play X1 and PS4 games. But think about it from the other side. The X1 and PS4 also play X1X and Pro games.

That isn't the case if a PS5 game out. PS4 wouldn't be able to play PS5 games. They would be designed from the ground up to work only on the PS5 and take advantage of the extra power.

The way it is now with this stupid upgrade cycle they are developing games for the least common denominator. Also this increases development costs (and time) as well for exclusives since it requires more testing and tweaking.

This inability to go backwards could backfire too. Though, so far, xbox is trying to keep up with that backward compatibility thing. what you're saying might still be the case with PS5 though since they're not into backward anymore and have issued statements that assert it's the future they want to improve, not dwelling in the past glory. Maybe in the future, that's what will differentiate xbox and ps, their ability to support previous generations. :/ The line has never been blurrier, this is for sure.

I do agree with that "advantage of the extra power" part. I feel PS4 Pro kind of took things in a new direction with newer, better hardware midway. Xbox's new console affirmed PS4 Pro's logic and went pretty much the same direction, thus putting a seal to it.

 

[purbeast0]

Metro Exodus looks impressive, but that's supposed to be on the Windows Store and Steam too. To me the most disappointing part was how little they showed of Cuphead. I was blown away by its reveal at E3 2015 but the final game must suck if all we got was a 15 second ad for it when it's an XB1/W10 exclusive launching in three months.

Just FYI Cuphead released today and so far it's getting a lot of praise. I'll be getting it in the next couple of weeks once I finish Golf Story.

 

[zerocool84]

Just FYI Cuphead released today and so far it's getting a lot of praise. I'll be getting it in the next couple of weeks once I finish Golf Story.

Cuphead looks really cool, artstyle of it is of course most appealing but unfortunately there's so many other guests games out or coming out that it's going to be near the bottom of the my list of games to play first.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Just FYI Cuphead released today and so far it's getting a lot of praise. I'll be getting it in the next couple of weeks once I finish Golf Story.

I still have Persona 5 and Yakuza 0 in my backlog and have just started another playthrough of NieR Automata, so I probably won't buy Cuphead until GOG or Steam has it on sale for Black Friday or maybe even Christmas. But I'm glad it's looking good, as I have been looking forward to this game for a while now.

EDIT: Crap, nevermind. It's only $20 so I'll just go buy it off GOG in a few minutes. I was thinking this would be a $60 release.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I still have Persona 5 and Yakuza 0 in my backlog and have just started another playthrough of NieR Automata, so I probably won't buy Cuphead until GOG or Steam has it on sale for Black Friday or maybe even Christmas. But I'm glad it's looking good, as I have been looking forward to this game for a while now.

EDIT: Crap, nevermind. It's only $20 so I'll just go buy it off GOG in a few minutes. I was thinking this would be a $60 release.

Yeah I need to play Yakuza and I really enjoyed Persona 5. I mean that’s probably my GOTY for sure at this point.

 

[Sadaiyappan]

Type R

 

[KentState]

It's not the same at all. It's different in the sense that PS5 games won't work on PS4. You are looking at it only from one direction. Sure the X1X and Pro will play X1 and PS4 games. But think about it from the other side. The X1 and PS4 also play X1X and Pro games.

That isn't the case if a PS5 game out. PS4 wouldn't be able to play PS5 games. They would be designed from the ground up to work only on the PS5 and take advantage of the extra power.

The way it is now with this stupid upgrade cycle they are developing games for the least common denominator. Also this increases development costs (and time) as well for exclusives since it requires more testing and tweaking.

Right. Generations are typically a new release to overcome the shortcomings of a prior system which usually means a shift in architecture. 8bit -> 16bit -> 32bit -> dedicated 3d graphics -> multi-core cpu/gpu -> x86 architecture for example. This is where backward compatibility becomes tricky because the games can't run natively on the new hardware. Right now they are just reiterating the current generation with upgraded specs allowing higher resolution textures, increased resolution and AA. Unless there is a shift in technology, I would not consider it a new generation. There really isn't any inherently wrong with the current architecture besides using under powered cpu's. The biggest downside is that on the PC, developers can stop supporting lower end GPU's, but MS and Sony don't have the same luxury and I'm not sure how they will be able to. Even the "new" 3DS only had a couple exclusive games.

 

[Aikouka]

Unless there is a shift in technology, I would not consider it a new generation.

I don't think there needs to be a shift in technology, but there ought to a visible difference. However, that's kind of hard when it comes to just resolution. People tend to sit kind of far from their TVs, which may be a little too small for that distance.

What really hampers things is the forced backwards compatibility. the Xbox One X ought to be a pretty potent system compared to the original Xbox One, but developers can't really push any major features that single out of the X, because that'll leave the S owners in the dust. I don't think Microsoft wants to make the older owners feel ostracized, so they'll avoid anything major. Maybe, we'll get to a point where Microsoft is okay with considering it a new console while also using a similar architecture. So, we can get 99%+ backwards compatibility and games that feel strikingly different.

To give you an idea, the biggest difference from the PS4 to the PS4 Pro is mostly the HDR support. When you get a bright item on the screen... man, it's bright. The Resogun logo is very noticeable.

 

[KentState]

To give you an idea, the biggest difference from the PS4 to the PS4 Pro is mostly the HDR support. When you get a bright item on the screen... man, it's bright. The Resogun logo is very noticeable.

The plain old PS4 supports HDR if you have a compatible TV. The biggest difference between any of these current consoles is vary levels of a poor CPU and then a base GPU or something 1070 equivalent.

https://support.us.playstation.com/articles/en_US/KC_Article/PS4-How-to-get-HDR

 

[cmdrdredd]

The plain old PS4 supports HDR if you have a compatible TV. The biggest difference between any of these current consoles is vary levels of a poor CPU and then a base GPU or something 1070 equivalent.

https://support.us.playstation.com/articles/en_US/KC_Article/PS4-How-to-get-HDR

Also the PS4 Pro does some form of 4k scaling that the standard ps4 does not. The XB1 will be similar.

 

[Sonikku]

The PS4 Pro does a sort of faux "checkerboard" 4k. The Scorpio could be closer to the real deal on account of the wide gap in GPU power between the two.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The PS4 Pro does a sort of faux "checkerboard" 4k. The Scorpio could be closer to the real deal on account of the wide gap in GPU power between the two.

Developers have already said that it is doing the same style of scaling in their games. The difference between PS4 Pro titles and XB1X titles will be small or nonexistent for 3rd party stuff.

http://www.game-debate.com/news/231...t-4k-in-games-such-as-assassins-creed-origins

 

[JujuFish]

The PS4 Pro does a sort of faux "checkerboard" 4k. The Scorpio could be closer to the real deal on account of the wide gap in GPU power between the two.

The gap between the Xbox One X and the PS4 Pro (43%) is approximately the same as the gap between the PS4 and the Xbox One (41%).

 

[zerocool84]

The PS4 Pro does a sort of faux "checkerboard" 4k. The Scorpio could be closer to the real deal on account of the wide gap in GPU power between the two.

PS4 Pro does some games in Native 4k just like Xbox One X will do some games in native 4k but we already know of games that have 4k checkerboard on Xbox One X. Neither system is powerful enough to provide true 4k on every game.

 

[cmdrdredd]

PS4 Pro does some games in Native 4k just like Xbox One X will do some games in native 4k but we already know of games that have 4k checkerboard on Xbox One X. Neither system is powerful enough to provide true 4k on every game.

Honestly I would take a crisp 1080p with HDR and 60fps over trying to push 4k. I think 1080p can still look excellent and there would be more room for more polygons and longer draw distances etc. pushing for resolution and pixel counting is kind of dumb to me anyhow.

 

[HitAnyKey]

Honestly I would take a crisp 1080p with HDR and 60fps over trying to push 4k. I think 1080p can still look excellent and there would be more room for more polygons and longer draw distances etc. pushing for resolution and pixel counting is kind of dumb to me anyhow.

Then wouldn't the Xbox One S be the better choice? I have no plans for a 4K TV this year so if I give my Xbox One to my son, I think I will just get the S model. The X model is probably a good choice for people who watch movies in 4K and don't mind if not all games are above 1080.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Then wouldn't the Xbox One S be the better choice? I have no plans for a 4K TV this year so if I give my Xbox One to my son, I think I will just get the S model. The X model is probably a good choice for people who watch movies in 4K and don't mind if not all games are above 1080.

No. The xbox one is barely able to cope with fullhd games, games will look a lot better on the x. You don't need a 4K tv to spot this.

 

[Sonikku]

Then wouldn't the Xbox One S be the better choice? I have no plans for a 4K TV this year so if I give my Xbox One to my son, I think I will just get the S model. The X model is probably a good choice for people who watch movies in 4K and don't mind if not all games are above 1080.

I've heard that the PS4 Pro sometimes lets you choose between 60fps 1080p or checkerboard 4k. The Scorpio may offer that option too. Otherwise the vanilla PS4 and Xbone are locked at 30fps in 1080p.

 

[zerocool84]

I've heard that the PS4 Pro sometimes lets you choose between 60fps 1080p or checkerboard 4k. The Scorpio may offer that option too. Otherwise the vanilla PS4 and Xbone are locked at 30fps in 1080p.

It's a game by game basis. It's up to the developer to program how to render and give options. Yes there are some that you can get higher frame rate but it's not every game.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Then wouldn't the Xbox One S be the better choice? I have no plans for a 4K TV this year so if I give my Xbox One to my son, I think I will just get the S model. The X model is probably a good choice for people who watch movies in 4K and don't mind if not all games are above 1080.

The normal xbox barely pushes 1080p. A lot of games are at weird resolutions below 1080p and scaled up. true 4k games will be downsampled to 1080p for you which will help with aliasing etc.

Unless money is an issue or you want one of the bundles available for the S then I see no reason to not get the X

 

[Sadaiyappan]

Who has 4K tv with HDR 10?

 

[Sadaiyappan]

I thought this is not possible with normal HDMI?

 

[Sadaiyappan]

I think I should just use the pro to play PS4 games on boost mode in 1080p.