Xbox 360 gets Blu-Ray

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: Stiganator
Are current 360 games HD-DVD? Can blu-ray read those? Or was the 360 HD-DVD only ever for movies?

I'm excited the war is over, but I'm not sure I'm happy with the winner, I've heard the only appreciable difference was the a bluray had 1 more DRM layer.

The 360's internal drive is a DVD drive. Games are single or dual layer DVD.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
If they don't use the Blu-Ray drive for games, then I really don't see the point.

They cant do that. Because most people wouldnt have blu ray drive. Just like they cant make it mandatory for some games to be installed, even though some devs would like that. Because not all 360's have hard drives.

Slowly but surely, MS is making the 360 a next gen console. HDMI, Blu ray... maybe next there will be wifi.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
If they don't use the Blu-Ray drive for games, then I really don't see the point.

They cant do that. Because most people wouldnt have blu ray drive. Just like they cant make it mandatory for some games to be installed, even though some devs would like that. Because not all 360's have hard drives.

Slowly but surely, MS is making the 360 a next gen console. HDMI, Blu ray... maybe next there will be wifi.

:music: Trollin' on the dock of the bay, wasting tiiiiiiiiiime :music:

 

[randay]

This is a dumb idea, noone is going to buy a whole new xbox360 just for the bluray, when they can spend the money on a ps3 and still get bluray and have a whole nother console on top of thier old x360. they should have made an external attachment.

Also, shens. I bet its fake anyway. call me when its confirmed by m$.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
How are they going to handle the BR drive speed with games like GTA4 and stuff? I don't understand why they are doing this. I must be purely for movies which I could care less about in HD.

It's basically going to be like the HD-DVD add-on. It's not going to be used for games, because people will throw a shit fit if the 360 requires an expensive extra device just to play certain games (SegaCD, etc.)

Get this if you already own a 360 and want it to be able to play Blu-Ray movies. That's it.

I expect it to cost $200+, they'll have a hard time making it any cheaper than that.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: shingletingle

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
How are they going to handle the BR drive speed with games like GTA4 and stuff? I don't understand why they are doing this. I must be purely for movies which I could care less about in HD.

You mean you COULDN'T care less.

No, what he means is grammar nazis are annoying and should DIAF! If you don't have anything to say on topic then you don't post.

I'm really curious to hear a price on this. And now that they're planning a built in one in a new console, I wonder if an external one is also in the works.

People who get very simple expressions wrong are morons and should also die in a fire. It's annoying, and it benefits everyone to point it out.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
it benefits everyone to point it out.

:thumbsup: Keep up the good fight.

Seriously, nothing wrong with educating people.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
If they don't use the Blu-Ray drive for games, then I really don't see the point.

They cant do that. Because most people wouldnt have blu ray drive. Just like they cant make it mandatory for some games to be installed, even though some devs would like that. Because not all 360's have hard drives.

Slowly but surely, MS is making the 360 a next gen console. HDMI, Blu ray... maybe next there will be wifi.

:music: Trollin' on the dock of the bay, wasting tiiiiiiiiiime :music:

Sorry you dont like the facts. Not my problem. Try and act as if you're on a perch, its pretty hilarious. It was half way funny the first time, by the 3rd time, its not funny. Especially when you dont even know the song well enough to do it right.

Funny how MS tries to act like the leader in online play, yet doesnt even include wifi. When the $250 Wii does, and it has next to zero online games. And is dead last at online anything, and always has been.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
If they don't use the Blu-Ray drive for games, then I really don't see the point.

They cant do that. Because most people wouldnt have blu ray drive. Just like they cant make it mandatory for some games to be installed, even though some devs would like that. Because not all 360's have hard drives.

Slowly but surely, MS is making the 360 a next gen console. HDMI, Blu ray... maybe next there will be wifi.

:music: Trollin' on the dock of the bay, wasting tiiiiiiiiiime :music:

Sorry you dont like the facts. Not my problem. Try and act as if you're on a perch, its pretty hilarious. It was half way funny the first time, by the 3rd time, its not funny. Especially when you dont even know the song well enough to do it right.

Funny how MS tries to act like the leader in online play, yet doesnt even include wifi. When the $250 Wii does, and it has next to zero online games. And is dead last at online anything, and always has been.

hey, if you dont agree with his opinions, its obvious that you are a troll plain and simple. this is the internets and this is serious business!

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
If they don't use the Blu-Ray drive for games, then I really don't see the point.

They cant do that. Because most people wouldnt have blu ray drive. Just like they cant make it mandatory for some games to be installed, even though some devs would like that. Because not all 360's have hard drives.

Slowly but surely, MS is making the 360 a next gen console. HDMI, Blu ray... maybe next there will be wifi.

:music: Trollin' on the dock of the bay, wasting tiiiiiiiiiime :music:

Sorry you dont like the facts. Not my problem. Try and act as if you're on a perch, its pretty hilarious. It was half way funny the first time, by the 3rd time, its not funny. Especially when you dont even know the song well enough to do it right.

Funny how MS tries to act like the leader in online play, yet doesnt even include wifi. When the $250 Wii does, and it has next to zero online games. And is dead last at online anything, and always has been.

Actually, it has 2 online games . Well 2 good ones.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
If they don't use the Blu-Ray drive for games, then I really don't see the point.

They cant do that. Because most people wouldnt have blu ray drive. Just like they cant make it mandatory for some games to be installed, even though some devs would like that. Because not all 360's have hard drives.

Slowly but surely, MS is making the 360 a next gen console. HDMI, Blu ray... maybe next there will be wifi.

:music: Trollin' on the dock of the bay, wasting tiiiiiiiiiime :music:

Sorry you dont like the facts. Not my problem. Try and act as if you're on a perch, its pretty hilarious. It was half way funny the first time, by the 3rd time, its not funny. Especially when you dont even know the song well enough to do it right.

Funny how MS tries to act like the leader in online play, yet doesnt even include wifi. When the $250 Wii does, and it has next to zero online games. And is dead last at online anything, and always has been.

Oh yeah, it's not a next-gen console because Microsoft gave people the OPTION of buying HD-DVD rather than forcing it on them, and Microsoft gave people the OPTION of buying a wifi adapter if they need one (I use wired Ethernet on both my 360 and PS3, and I'd use it on my Wii if it came with it - so I'm glad I didn't have to pay for Wifi in my 360 as I'm sure many other people are).

Yeah, it's not a next gen console. Nevermind that the side-by-side comparisons in the GTA IV thread are indistinguishable other than slight variations in coloring.

Yes, you're trolling. And you're doing it badly.

:music: Keep trollin' trollin' trollin' trollin' :music:
/limp bizkit

 

[DaveSimmons]

Wifi should be included in new models at this point since it adds some tiny cost like $5 and the 360 is the leader in online gaming. It makes much more sense to add it than blu-ray support, given that both the $249 wii and $399 PS3 include wifi, and wifi is a gaming feature.

Charging $100 or forcing people to jump through router firmware modding hoops (and still costing $50) is obnoxious.

At least with Live they charge for a better service, with wifi they just gouge.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: RaiderJ
If they don't use the Blu-Ray drive for games, then I really don't see the point.

They cant do that. Because most people wouldnt have blu ray drive. Just like they cant make it mandatory for some games to be installed, even though some devs would like that. Because not all 360's have hard drives.

Slowly but surely, MS is making the 360 a next gen console. HDMI, Blu ray... maybe next there will be wifi.

:music: Trollin' on the dock of the bay, wasting tiiiiiiiiiime :music:

Sorry you dont like the facts. Not my problem. Try and act as if you're on a perch, its pretty hilarious. It was half way funny the first time, by the 3rd time, its not funny. Especially when you dont even know the song well enough to do it right.

Funny how MS tries to act like the leader in online play, yet doesnt even include wifi. When the $250 Wii does, and it has next to zero online games. And is dead last at online anything, and always has been.

I didn't realize 'next gen console' had anything to do with movie playback. I guess the PS3 is the only true next gen console and its dominance is obvious.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269


I didn't realize 'next gen console' had anything to do with movie playback. I guess the PS3 is the only true next gen console and its dominance is obvious.

Nice try with the sarcasm, yet you've failed. Its been outselling the 360 lately. And is for casted to do so in the future. There is no denying the PS3 got off to a slow start, and the 360 built up a lead being out a year earlier. Things are changing, its obvious except to a bias eye.

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Actually, it has 2 online games . Well 2 good ones.

Yeah, I got them both. Even though MK is a cheater...

Originally posted by: mugs
Yeah, it's not a next gen console. Nevermind that the side-by-side comparisons in the GTA IV thread are indistinguishable other than slight variations in coloring.

Yes, you're trolling. And you're doing it badly.

:music: Keep trollin' trollin' trollin' trollin' :music:
/limp bizkit

Like how they added HDMI, years later? Why wasnt that included up front? People who wanted to upconvert DVD's, had to get a HDMI version. The PS3 is an outstanding up converting DVD player. Better than the 360 even when its using HDMI. Wifi is dirt cheap, even Nintendo, the most anti-online console maker has it, in a $250 console. The 360 Elite is $450, it doesnt have it. There is no good reason for them to not have it in the Elite, at least. You dont want it? Thats good, a lot of people do. And charging $100 for it is crazy. Just as MS charging $100 for a 120gig HD. Thats close to $1 per gig, they think we're in the 90's or what? Both Nintendo and Sony have motion control, 360? Nope. 360 have all the data card options the PS3 has? Nope. Now there are rumors about that. Maybe after they put out a BD version, they will release another sku with motion controls, and people can buy yet another 360. One feature at a time. Hopefully they can add, "doesnt sound like a hair dryer", and "doesnt fail 30% of the time", as two more features. See, now thats a trolling comment.

Its my opinion, thats its not. Dont like it? Too bad. MS didnt add anything, but better graphics. No new features. Its not trolling, its posting an opinion. MS keeps adding more features, one sku at a time, months after the last one. You on the other hand, are trolling. And you arent even funny when you think that they are. Anyone who doesnt live in your boxed up world, is trolling. I find that funny.

You're not going to drag me thru the mud with your trolling, Im done with you and this thread. The fact is, MS keeps on adding "next gen" features to their console, one at a time. Making people who want them, to buy another, one at a time. If you cant admit that, then you're just ignorant to the facts.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Eeezee
it benefits everyone to point it out.

:thumbsup: Keep up the good fight.

Seriously, nothing wrong with educating people.

Amen to that!

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269


I didn't realize 'next gen console' had anything to do with movie playback. I guess the PS3 is the only true next gen console and its dominance is obvious.

Nice try with the sarcasm, yet you've failed. Its been outselling the 360 lately. And is for casted to do so in the future. There is no denying the PS3 got off to a slow start, and the 360 built up a lead being out a year earlier. Things are changing, its obvious except to a bias eye.

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Actually, it has 2 online games . Well 2 good ones.

Yeah, I got them both. Even though MK is a cheater...

Originally posted by: mugs
Yeah, it's not a next gen console. Nevermind that the side-by-side comparisons in the GTA IV thread are indistinguishable other than slight variations in coloring.

Yes, you're trolling. And you're doing it badly.

:music: Keep trollin' trollin' trollin' trollin' :music:
/limp bizkit

Like how they added HDMI, years later? Why wasnt that included up front? People who wanted to upconvert DVD's, had to get a HDMI version. The PS3 is an outstanding up converting DVD player. Better than the 360 even when its using HDMI. Wifi is dirt cheap, even Nintendo, the most anti-online console maker has it, in a $250 console. The 360 Elite is $450, it doesnt have it. There is no good reason for them to not have it in the Elite, at least. You dont want it? Thats good, a lot of people do. And charging $100 for it is crazy. Just as MS charging $100 for a 120gig HD. Thats close to $1 per gig, they think we're in the 90's or what? Both Nintendo and Sony have motion control, 360? Nope. 360 have all the data card options the PS3 has? Nope. Now there are rumors about that. Maybe after they put out a BD version, they will release another sku with motion controls, and people can buy yet another 360. One feature at a time. Hopefully they can add, "doesnt sound like a hair dryer", and "doesnt fail 30% of the time", as two more features. See, now thats a trolling comment.

Its my opinion, thats its not. Dont like it? Too bad. MS didnt add anything, but better graphics. No new features. Its not trolling, its posting an opinion. MS keeps adding more features, one sku at a time, months after the last one. You on the other hand, are trolling. And you arent even funny when you think that they are. Anyone who doesnt live in your boxed up world, is trolling. I find that funny.

You're not going to drag me thru the mud with your trolling, Im done with you and this thread. The fact is, MS keeps on adding "next gen" features to their console, one at a time. Making people who want them, to buy another, one at a time. If you cant admit that, then you're just ignorant to the facts.

I DO have a problem with their overcharging for the WiFi adapter and the 120GB HDD. The proprietary nonsense is a waste of everyone's time, and frankly it's a bit of a cheap shot at consumers' wallets. Even 50 cents/gig is a joke nowadays. You can go on any website and easily find 20 cents/gig or less for a nice, fat SATA drive. I'd put up with up to 30 cents/gig if Microsoft insists that you MUST buy their drives for your 360, but anything else is overpriced.

$100 for a WiFi adapter is insane. A quick pop-in over at overstock.com reveals an "Xbox Wireless Adapter" that supposedly works on the 360 for only $45. Even that's insane, considering you can pick one up for a PC for $20 pretty easily.

Some of their marketplace practices are pretty skeevy, too. I don't like being charged for content that seems like it should have been in the game since launch. There's this creepy suspicion in the back of my mind wondering if games are now being intentionally left half-finished and sold at $60 so that DLC can be added later for additional revenue.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
<snip long troll post>

I always criticize Microsoft where criticism is due. As much as I like the Xbox 360, I criticize Microsoft as much as many PS3 fanboys do. And I criticize Nintendo where criticism is due, and I criticize Sony where criticism is due. If you want to discuss those things, go ahead and create your own thread. This thread is about the possibility of a 360 Blu-ray drive, and you're posting all sorts of inflammatory stuff that is not relevant to the topic of this thread. That is the definition of trolling (randay, you may want to look it up. I don't just throw the word around flippantly, I use it where it applies).

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You're not going to drag me thru the mud with your trolling, Im done with you and this thread.

<snip more trolling>

:laugh: Later. :lips:

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Nice try with the sarcasm, yet you've failed. Its been outselling the 360 lately. And is for casted to do so in the future. There is no denying the PS3 got off to a slow start, and the 360 built up a lead being out a year earlier. Things are changing, its obvious except to a bias eye.

Not sure if you are aware and not trying to start a dumb console arguement, but I thought that I should point out that 360 beat out PS3 in March which is the most up to date NPD numbers we have so far. I'm not saying PS3 won't beat them in April or in the future, I'm just trying to bring some facts to the conversation.

 

[CMC79]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
How are they going to handle the BR drive speed with games like GTA4 and stuff? I don't understand why they are doing this. I must be purely for movies which I could care less about in HD.

It's basically going to be like the HD-DVD add-on. It's not going to be used for games, because people will throw a shit fit if the 360 requires an expensive extra device just to play certain games (SegaCD, etc.)

Get this if you already own a 360 and want it to be able to play Blu-Ray movies. That's it.

I expect it to cost $200+, they'll have a hard time making it any cheaper than that.

Adding it as an integral part of the Xbox may have some advantages--with the HD DVD add on, all advanced audio options weren't possible--so no DD+, no DTS Master Audio, no TrueHD, and no uncompressed PCM audio. As far I as I can recall, this was due to a limitation in the audio processing capabilities of the Xbox, not due to anything like the USB connection. Making an internal Blu Ray drive may indicate they're fixing that issue as well. If you're going to make the Xbox a competitor with regard to move playback, it would be foolish to make it crippled with respect to advanced audio, especially since the PS3 is still the best BD player available and can decode all of the above formats (as LCPM) via HDMI.

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
I want MS to release a BD add-on. I want BD pretty badly, but I don't want to spend $400 + tax for a PS3.

 

[zorrt]

It must increase the cost right? If not the PS3 needs to come down in price.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: zorrt
It must increase the cost right? If not the PS3 needs to come down in price.

360 could really use a price cut right now. The PS3 is a better value right now, and it's outselling the 360 (or at least keeping pace with it, which it wasn't before). This could take the place of a price cut since it would increase the value of the system if they keep the price the same.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: zorrt
It must increase the cost right? If not the PS3 needs to come down in price.

If they combine a Blu-Ray drive with the next reduced chipset (Jasper) it will likely end up costing as much as an Elite costs currently. Remember that Blu-Ray drive manufacturing costs have been dropping as well.

 

[cboath]

Doesn't anyone remember the switch from PC games on floppy to CD and the CD to DVD? There ARE 360 games that take up more than one cd. With an internal BR player (or even external i suppose) you can make a game that comes on 4 DVD's or 1 BR. If your goal is to attempt to transition people, you can make the multi dvd version 59 and the BR version 49 or something. There are ways around it. If there is any rule about how manufacturer's can package and design their content, i'd imagine it would be it couldn't be BR exclusive.

As for why movies are important to consoles, prior consoles were 250 on release. These things were 5 and 600. They're 'down' to 350 and 399 or so. It's an added incentive for quite a lot of people to buy one device that can handle both things.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: cboath
Doesn't anyone remember the switch from PC games on floppy to CD and the CD to DVD? There ARE 360 games that take up more than one cd. With an internal BR player (or even external i suppose) you can make a game that comes on 4 DVD's or 1 BR. If your goal is to attempt to transition people, you can make the multi dvd version 59 and the BR version 49 or something. There are ways around it. If there is any rule about how manufacturer's can package and design their content, i'd imagine it would be it couldn't be BR exclusive.

As for why movies are important to consoles, prior consoles were 250 on release. These things were 5 and 600. They're 'down' to 350 and 399 or so. It's an added incentive for quite a lot of people to buy one device that can handle both things.

I really don't think you'll see 360 games on Blu-ray even if they offer a multi-disc DVD version. Blu-ray drives aren't as fast as the DVD drive in the 360, which can cause problems for developers who want to load data on the fly. They either have to anticipate longer read times (not ideal) or do a hard drive install (can't do that on the 360 right now).

And really, they would gain very little by putting a game on Blu-ray. Since the majority of 360 owners won't have it, they'd still want to put games out on DVDs. That means you're still limited to the same types of games that you can do multi-DVD releases for now - long linear games where disc-swapping is no big deal. If EVERY 360 had a Blu-ray drive, that would open up more possibilities - bigger environments in open-world free roaming games like GTA IV for instance. But that's not going to happen this generation, because there are already so many 360s out there with DVD drives.