Xbox 360 VS PC's!!!

[SlickAU]

Hey guys,

I'm jealous...<insert cry effect here> :wine:

... because the Xbox 360 is going to be running 3 core processors EACH running at 3.2Ghz (A total processing power of 9.6Ghz!!!).

Now cmon, We arent even going to see that kind of performance in PC CPU's till what, about late 2006? (When multicore processors are released).

Are all console games going to be made muli-threaded? (Is this the only reason why Xbox 360's use so much processing power?)

Well nows your chance:

Will PC CPU's be able to compete with the Xbox 360's triple core CPU's (9.6Ghz) by the time the Xbox 360 is released?

Let the catfights begin!

Slick ;cool:

 

[mwmorph]

um.....
1. each processor (not core, processor) is about as powerful as a 1.4ghz PIII. No OOOE and Predictive branching, crappily engineered, low IPC to be easily and cheapily productable(yuo dont think, each core would be equal to a AMD64 X2 or 830 do you? MS dosent have that much money to throw around)(the sell is even worse, only 1 real useful core and 7 basically"math units" since it doesnt have the chache or OOOE or Predictive branching to do anything useful besides physics calculations anf floating point math)

2. Multicore has been around for a while. THe opterons had it, the p4 8xx series ahs it and the AMD64 X2 series has it. what are you talking about?

3. no the first few waves wuill have the majority of games just ported over from thexbox or ps2 and no multithreading.

4. We already overpower them. nuff said.

5. GHZ is crap as evidenced by intel. 3.8 is beat out by a 2.2ghz 3500+ can beat it.

 

[SlickAU]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
um.....

...MS dosent have that much money to throw around

2. Multicore has been around for a while. THe opterons had it, the p4 8xx series ahs it and the AMD64 X2 series has it. what are you talking about?

3. no the first few waves wuill have the majority of games just ported over from thexbox or ps2 and no multithreading.

4. We already overpower them. nuff said.

Reply to your statement:

1. LOL..Dude we are talking about Microsoft here...of coarse they have enough money to throw around!

2. Yes i know multicore has been around for a while, but they are not currently suitable for the average Joe (i.e- to expensive - mainly for servers)

3. Well thats crap...for console lover..muahhaha :evil:

4. RIGHT ON BIATCH! PC's ALL THE WAY!!!

Slick ;cool:

 

[mwmorph]

1. it's eally just a matter of money. MS still ahs price restraints. They cant be tossing 3x 4800+ X2s and SLIed 7800gtx no matter how much money they have. The main purpose of a corporatios is to make money. True they lost money on the XBOX, but that was justified by getting their name and rep out there a a competitive console maker.
2. The 8xx series are incredibly cheap. There are many sysems even form gateway and hp for around $1000 at CC ro best buy every week with the compy and a lcd! Mainstream dualcore is already here thanks to intel(though i am dissapointed in the performance fro intel at least, but hey, whatever can get a new tech adopted is fine by me.)
3. True. Maddeon 06 is going to be a quick port this first gen. Most first party(microsoft) gameswill be the only ones that stresses more thna one core at the early times.
4. Again it's price. pc gaming is like the ferrari of gaming. sure you can get almost the same for less(consoles , just like a corvette), but to get the best of the best exprience, pcs will always be king.

 

[Duvie]

Slick where have you been??? This has been discussed already...It was a bunch of marketing BS....This thing aint sh^t, especially when you figure how long it will be around as the platform before the new console....

One thing consoles dont have to be as much of a powerhouse simply because their issue is more simplified and defined....making it more efficient....It still likely wont be any better then the top gaming system at the time on the PC when it comes out....then it will lag behind as it sits for a few years...

 

[Bona Fide]

I guess the true comparison will come when Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion comes out. It's the first game to take advantage of dual-cores and also come out for X360.

 

[fishbits]

A new $300 console is not going to beat a new $1000 PC, and as Duvie said the PC will only pull further and further ahead. Why people have allowed themselves to be tricked into thinking MS, Sony, Nintendo have come up with a magical way to make generationally more powerful hardware for dirt cheap prices is beyond me. "Boy, by the way this console runs the new Mario Kart, you just know with all that superior cpu power it'd be a kick-ass relational database server! Isn't it mind-boggling they don't sell them as such?"

Consoles are great for what they are. Enjoy them for that.

 

[mooncancook]

Will PC CPU's be able to compete with the Xbox 360's triple core CPU's (9.6Ghz) by the time the Xbox 360 is released?

don't forget if they put 3 CPUs in the xbox with each CPU anywhere near as powerful as a desktop core then the XBox is going to overheat like hell. Heck if they are that powerful, I bet China and Korea is going to order a bunch of them, and I'm sure some ppl will hack them into a PC as well. PPl get some sense, MS is not here to lose massive money.

 

[ZobarStyl]

Yeah, people don't seem to realize, if they have this chip that makes our PC's look like yesterday's dregs, why in the world are they a) only using it to play games and b) selling it at a loss, which of course is bypassing the obvious logical hurdle of c) how did they magically create this uber CPU?

This love of insane power for cheap has blinded many to simple logic, which of course is compounded by MS/Sony's incredible market BS. Nintendo, on the other hand, came out right away and said this new gen is going to be 2-3 times faster than the last, which is actually a good estimate, rather than the 'renders 2000 real time video streams simultaneously while cooking you breakfast and massaging your feet' crap that MS/Sony keep pulling.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Yeah, people don't seem to realize, if they have this chip that makes our PC's look like yesterday's dregs, why in the world are they a) only using it to play games and b) selling it at a loss, which of course is bypassing the obvious logical hurdle of c) how did they magically create this uber CPU?

This love of insane power for cheap has blinded many to simple logic, which of course is compounded by MS/Sony's incredible market BS. Nintendo, on the other hand, came out right away and said this new gen is going to be 2-3 times faster than the last, which is actually a good estimate, rather than the 'renders 2000 real time video streams simultaneously while cooking you breakfast and massaging your feet' crap that MS/Sony keep pulling.

meh, i thught everyone stopped believing sony after hey said the EE & RS would be 5x more powerful than anything the pcs have now and will still be more powerful than the best pcs 5 years from now bs. Guess dumb people(joe 6pcak, general public) never learn.

 

[supastar1568]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

4. Again it's price. pc gaming is like the ferrari of gaming. sure you can get almost the same for less(consoles , just like a corvette), but to get the best of the best exprience, pcs will always be king.

Thats very true, about the cars and the gaming systems.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
um.....
1. each processor (not core, processor) is about as powerful as a 1.4ghz PIII. No OOOE and Predictive branching, crappily engineered, low IPC to be easily and cheapily productable(yuo dont think, each core would be equal to a AMD64 X2 or 830 do you? MS dosent have that much money to throw around)(the sell is even worse, only 1 real useful core and 7 basically"math units" since it doesnt have the chache or OOOE or Predictive branching to do anything useful besides physics calculations anf floating point math)

You're thinking about the Cell processor and not the one in the Xbox360.

 

[mwmorph]

no both are it.
Xbox360 has 6 core. no OOOOE, predictive branching, low ipc. each cpu(2 cores) is around 1.4ghz p3 in performance(the p3 is a great chip though, after all the centrino 2ghz will mean most p4s in games and that pentium-m/centrino architecture is an offshoot of the p3 insteead of thge crappier p4.)

"sell[cell] is even worse, only 1 real useful core and 7 basically"math units" since it doesnt have the chache or OOOE or Predictive branching to do anything useful besides physics calculations anf floating point math"
speeld cell wrong. damn keyboard.

 

[MBrown]

PCs are better than consoles but I think its more of the pride of being able to build your gaming rig yourself and make it be unique. You can constantly upgrade it if you want and its a hobby. Your PC is your Identity. And also you can do more than just play games on them.

 

[imported_Soldier]

I don't think any of the consoles hold a candle to PC gaming on any current PC. PCGamer just had a short article in there recent edition about how the consoles did'nt win crap for awards compared to the PC at E3....

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
no both are it.
Xbox360 has 6 core. no OOOOE, predictive branching, low ipc. each cpu(2 cores) is around 1.4ghz p3 in performance(the p3 is a great chip though, after all the centrino 2ghz will mean most p4s in games and that pentium-m/centrino architecture is an offshoot of the p3 insteead of thge crappier p4.)

"sell[cell] is even worse, only 1 real useful core and 7 basically"math units" since it doesnt have the chache or OOOE or Predictive branching to do anything useful besides physics calculations anf floating point math"
speeld cell wrong. damn keyboard.

Wow, I just read the articles on the Xenon and you are correct. No OOOE implemented in hardware. Maybe they have a really good compiler.

 

[Topweasel]

Nintendo on the other hand while usinga PowerPC chip like Sony and MS , they will be using pretty much a dual core G5 running at 1.5 GHZ. So actually they will have the most effieciant CPU and at least at the start just as much usable CPU power.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Nintendo on the other hand while usinga PowerPC chip like Sony and MS , they will be using pretty much a dual core G5 running at 1.5 GHZ. So actually they will have the most effieciant CPU and at least at the start just as much usable CPU power.

Yup. im looking forward to the new nintendo console.

 

[mdchesne]

Originally posted by: Bona Fide
I guess the true comparison will come when Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion comes out. It's the first game to take advantage of dual-cores and also come out for X360.

WHOOO!!!!! OBLIVION! ALRIGHT! LETS GET IT ON!!!!

 

[Chocolate Pi]

It will be mind-boggling ironic and hilarious when humble Nintendo ends up with the most powerful (a more accurate term might be useable) CPU after the hype we've seen from Sony and Microsoft. The same thing happened last round in some sense. Sony declared 120 million polygons per second for the PS2, Microsoft announced 90 million and scoffed at Sony's figures. Nintendo said their own console would never exceed 12 million. The Gamecube launched with a game (Rouge Leader) that achieved 15 million polygons per second. The same cannot be said for the other two machines.

Most companies seem to overstate their product, while the ever inept-at-marketing Nintendo does the opposite. They claim their wireless controllers go up to 30 feet, while they in reality go over 100 unless there is a lead wall in your way. (Not that I know what this might be useful for...)

Nintendo's strategy for the next generation sounds very, well, sound. The decision to not support 720p (just 480p) will allow them to use a much cheaper and cooler GPU from ATI for the same image quality. (Except obviously at a lower resolution.) This will be efficent because ATI should be able to hook them up with some cheap-to-process AA, and will allow Nintendo to build a cheaper system without or with less active cooling, which in turn makes the system smaller and lets it last longer. Nintendo gains all this and only loses the ability to have a very small percent of the userbase play games in higher resolutions. They seem quite content to let Microsoft and Sony fight one another in that realm.

 

[Necrolezbeast]

Long live Nintendo!! I absolutely hate Sony for what they did to Nintendo and Sega, and I love MS for helping put Sony in its place. Back in the old day consoles were tons cooler and had tons better graphics/games; that day ended during the lifespan of the N64. I don't really recall a game in Sept of 1996 that had better graphics, or could rival that sort of gameplay. Nintendo really did set the standard for EVERY 3d platformer and 3d games with an interactive environment. Since 1/2 thru the life of the N64, probably the release of HL(only real significant game i can think of) was the death to the era of consoles being the superior gaming machine. Now consoles are years behind any PC, no matter what Sony and MS may say or think and it will continue to be that way until the PC technology development starts to slow down...and to me it seems as if gaming is where the technology excels and stresses current and future hardware. With a new video card released every year completely stomping the previous year.

All I can say is: At least Nintendo knows its position in the market and is trying to develop new things to keep the consoles alive. They never slow down and always have that amazingly odd product that sets a new standard in the gaming world.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Necrolezbeast
Long live Nintendo!! I absolutely hate Sony for what they did to Nintendo and Sega, and I love MS for helping put Sony in its place. Back in the old day consoles were tons cooler and had tons better graphics/games; that day ended during the lifespan of the N64. I don't really recall a game in Sept of 1996 that had better graphics, or could rival that sort of gameplay. Nintendo really did set the standard for EVERY 3d platformer and 3d games with an interactive environment. Since 1/2 thru the life of the N64, probably the release of HL(only real significant game i can think of) was the death to the era of consoles being the superior gaming machine. Now consoles are years behind any PC, no matter what Sony and MS may say or think and it will continue to be that way until the PC technology development starts to slow down...and to me it seems as if gaming is where the technology excels and stresses current and future hardware. With a new video card released every year completely stomping the previous year.

All I can say is: At least Nintendo knows its position in the market and is trying to develop new things to keep the consoles alive. They never slow down and always have that amazingly odd product that sets a new standard in the gaming world.

Nintendo's fault.........

They and sony were making an add on to the snes when all of a sudden nintendo go " Erm...We dont want to make it anymore". It was about 8 months off and they left it to sony while nintendo were speeding up ideas about the Ultra 64 as it was known at the time. Sony were left with a 80% complete console CD snes add on. They must of done alot of work but whatever they did it became the PS1.

Nintendo are now on thier last legs..I have to say, I didnt see that come in 1993.

 

[rhk0327]

I think that the consoles have one advantage over the pcs. When they get to design or tailor games for their systems, they have an exact piece of hardware that is identical to all other Xboxs, ps2s, gamecubes. This allows them to super tweak their games to use the hardware just right. I believe the Xbox has geforce 2 inside of it, but I can?t get my PC geforce2 to run those kinds of games in that kind of quality. This give consoles more bang for the buck (especially when they sell consoles at a lost), but ultimately PCs will be more powerful with better graphics. Alas, they are more expensive. Also, you don?t end up paying Xbox live fees or modems for the ps2. In those console systems you really have to watch out for peripheral prices (which are way cheaper on PCs thanks to a direct-competition market) like memory cards, modems/remotes, and games.

 

[MarkZ3]

I believe the Xbox has geforce 2 inside of it

It's a NV2A which is a modified Geforce 3 which is quite powerful enough to do 640x480

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: clarkey01

Originally posted by: Necrolezbeast


Nintendo are now on thier last legs..I have to say, I didnt see that come in 1993.

Nintendo are FAR from on their last leg. They continue to make money while sony and microsoft keep dumping money into worthless consoles. Think about it for a second, the only reason most people buy an Xbrick is for modding. And the only reason people buy a PSP is for modding and playing ROMS.

Now all companies lose money from the sale of the hardware and expect to make it up with the sale of games. Now how are you going to make money from the games when noone is buying them?

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