Xbox 360

[bobsmith1492]

http://www.elderscrolls.com/art/obliv_xbox360_screens_01.htm

Computer AND 360. So thar.

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
http://www.elderscrolls.com/art/obliv_xbox360_screens_01.htm

Computer AND 360. So thar.

So what?, the xbox 360 screenshots can be easily rendered by computer hardware, it seems like the PC version has no HDR activated which the PC GPUs are perfectly capable of. Game Developers fault!

 

[MBrown]

Its gonna suck playin FPS on it. Thats why I got my 7800gt instead of a 360. And then to get the most out of the 360 I would have to get a HD TV Widescreen. And the games cost 60 bucks for the 360. And then you have to pay to play online. Just doesnt seem worth it.

 

[compgeek89]

I went 7800 GTX over 360, FEAR looks as good at max as any 360 title, and COD2 looks at least as good if not better on PC.

 

[erwin1978]

Yah, I can't wait how Fei Lang of DOA volleyball will look like. I'm drooling profusely it's insane.

 

[Todd33]

Those wire-frame pics can be and most likely are fake. They just look blended together. Not to mention the car racing shots don't look anywhere as well. Consoles are always over-hyped, it will be weaker than a good computer, but it's cheaper and only has to run at 720p. My current rig is running things at 1080P with 4x AA (haven't tried BF2 yet though).

I might get a Xbox360, but not for the overhyped graphics, just for the next gen console games.

 

[Deinonych]

The thing to remember is that the Xbox360 hardware will remain static for a number of years, while PC hardware will continue to scale. So, three years from now PCs will be able to do much more graphically (in theory), while the Xbox360 will look the same. When the PS2 and Xbox1 came out a few years back, they had state of the art graphics. PCs easily surpass them now.

That said, I'm toying with getting an Xbox360 to complement my new TV.

 

[JackBurton]

The XBox 360 is going to be one bad ass machine!

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Deinonych
The thing to remember is that the Xbox360 hardware will remain static for a number of years, while PC hardware will continue to scale. So, three years from now PCs will be able to do much more graphically (in theory), while the Xbox360 will look the same. When the PS2 and Xbox1 came out a few years back, they had state of the art graphics. PCs easily surpass them now.

That said, I'm toying with getting an Xbox360 to complement my new TV.

That's somewhat true. You're forgetting that programmers get better at coding "to the metal" as time goes by. Look at GT4 graphics on the PS2 and compare them to a launch title - big difference.

 

[Deinonych]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

That's somewhat true. You're forgetting that programmers get better at coding "to the metal" as time goes by. Look at GT4 graphics on the PS2 and compare them to a launch title - big difference.

Yes, it's a big difference. But, modern PCs still out-class the PS2 by a wide margin.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Deinonych

Originally posted by: SickBeast

That's somewhat true. You're forgetting that programmers get better at coding "to the metal" as time goes by. Look at GT4 graphics on the PS2 and compare them to a launch title - big difference.

Yes, it's a big difference. But, modern PCs still out-class the PS2 by a wide margin.

Um dude, how much have you put into that "modern" PC from the time the PS2 was introduced until now? Yeah you guessed it, an ass load of money if you are talking about playing current games at max setting with high res. PC get better with time, but require you to dump quite a bit of money into them to play the latest and greatest games at max settings and high res. Console games get better with time and require no extra investment other than maybe an extra controller.

 

[MoPHo]

OH NOES ITS THE END OF COMPUTERS AS WE KNOW IT!11!111one!1!11!

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Deinonych

Originally posted by: SickBeast

That's somewhat true. You're forgetting that programmers get better at coding "to the metal" as time goes by. Look at GT4 graphics on the PS2 and compare them to a launch title - big difference.

Yes, it's a big difference. But, modern PCs still out-class the PS2 by a wide margin.

Um dude, how much have you put into that "modern" PC from the time the PS2 was introduced until now? Yeah you guessed it, an ass load of money if you are talking about playing current games at max setting with high res. PC get better with time, but require you to dump quite a bit of money into them to play the latest and greatest games at max settings and high res. Console games get better with time and require no extra investment other than maybe an extra controller.

New TV, maybe even speakers? There are a lot of things you would change during the life of a console which is being directly used by the console. Just as much as i changed my monitor on my PC within the past 5 years.

Also do you get movies, music, file sharing, stuff like that, again this is nothing to do with gaming but again PCs arnt just for gaming. If you really factor in all the cost of the components which do most of the work for gaming, that pretty much goes solely to the GPU. Which costs around the same price as a console. Which at the same time solely is being used as a gaming machine.

 

[Deinonych]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Um dude, how much have you put into that "modern" PC from the time the PS2 was introduced until now? Yeah you guessed it, an ass load of money if you are talking about playing current games at max setting with high res. PC get better with time, but require you to dump quite a bit of money into them to play the latest and greatest games at max settings and high res. Console games get better with time and require no extra investment other than maybe an extra controller.

I never stated otherwise.

 

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[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Drayvn
New TV, maybe even speakers? There are a lot of things you would change during the life of a console which is being directly used by the console. Just as much as i changed my monitor on my PC within the past 5 years.

Nice try, but no. 99.99999% of the people that upgrade their home theater set up, do not upgrade to play games on it. It is mainly done to watch movies. So I would not factor that into the equation. Hooking up a console is just an added bonus. But let's throw TV/monitor/speakers out of the equation. Console $400-500 and plays everything PERFECT for ~5 years and gets better with time. PC (just the box), $2000-2500 for a top of the line box and the performance will fade with every new cutting edge game that comes out, not to mention messing with video driver issues and game patches. XBox 360, $50/yr for online play for EVERY game that is XBox Live! enabled. PC, online gaming free for quite a few games, but $12/month ($144/yr) per game for other games.

Also do you get movies, music, file sharing, stuff like that, again this is nothing to do with gaming but again PCs arnt just for gaming. If you really factor in all the cost of the components which do most of the work for gaming, that pretty much goes solely to the GPU. Which costs around the same price as a console. Which at the same time solely is being used as a gaming machine.

I don't want to hear about all this, "but a PC can do more than game." Yes it can, but then again all the other stuff you do on a PC most likely can be done with $300 Dell machine, and can be done for a loooong time. The CPU, memory and MAINLY the video card is solely driven by gaming needs. I don't need an SLIed 7800GTX set up to view my email, watch movies, listen to music and share files. I also don't need a FX57/4800+ and 2GB of memory to do that stuff either. Those components are pretty much for gaming needs only. And those upgrades are the costly ones.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Deinonych

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Um dude, how much have you put into that "modern" PC from the time the PS2 was introduced until now? Yeah you guessed it, an ass load of money if you are talking about playing current games at max setting with high res. PC get better with time, but require you to dump quite a bit of money into them to play the latest and greatest games at max settings and high res. Console games get better with time and require no extra investment other than maybe an extra controller.

I never stated otherwise.

Ok, so you were basically saying a $2000 PC is better than a 5 year old $150 console. Got it. Good point. :roll:

 

[compgeek89]

PCs arent for people that cant spend a bit of money, but its easy to save that money if you have a good job and dont have wasteful spending habits.

I got caught up in the E3 hype and was like totally ready to plunk down my preorder cash for the 360, but throughout July I saw what the 7800 GTX could do and previews of COD2/FEAR and I spent my money on the 7800 GTX and 2GB RAM

I dont regret it at all.

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Deinonych

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Um dude, how much have you put into that "modern" PC from the time the PS2 was introduced until now? Yeah you guessed it, an ass load of money if you are talking about playing current games at max setting with high res. PC get better with time, but require you to dump quite a bit of money into them to play the latest and greatest games at max settings and high res. Console games get better with time and require no extra investment other than maybe an extra controller.

I never stated otherwise.

Ok, so you were basically saying a $2000 PC is better than a 5 year old $150 console. Got it. Good point. :roll:

Le'ts see in 2002 you could buy for USD an Athlon 2800+ a Radeon 9700 PRO 128MB, 512MB of RAM or an XBOX. I don't see the crappy XBOX being in any way more powerfull than a PC of it's time. The USD2000 computer still today is alot better and powerfull than the XBOX or PS3 whic were new by that time, also with the posibility to upgrade your graphichs card in a couple years for a 6600GT or a 9800PRO just by spending 150 USD (could be much less if you sell your old video card for 80 USD) and being several times more powerfull than PS2, XBOX or GC, the same will happen with next-gen consoles, the consoles would be nothing without PC developments in game hardware.

 

[Deinonych]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Ok, so you were basically saying a $2000 PC is better than a 5 year old $150 console. Got it. Good point. :roll:

That wasn't my point, as I think it's self-evident that a $2000 PC will be better than a $150 console.

My point was that PC gaming is not going to go away just because consoles keep getting better. Every time a new console comes out, all the pundits and armchair economists bemoan to impending doom of PC gaming. It never pans out. PC games tend to offer a "deeper" gameplay experience than consoles in general. RTS, FPS and RPG games are examples of games that, in my opinion, are better on the PC than on consoles. Conversely, sports, action and platform games are much better on consoles than PCs.

Don't get me wrong - I enjoy console as well as PC gaming. Each has its place depending on your gaming style.

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: Deinonych

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Ok, so you were basically saying a $2000 PC is better than a 5 year old $150 console. Got it. Good point. :roll:

That wasn't my point, as I think it's self-evident that a $2000 PC will be better than a $150 console.

My point was that PC gaming is not going to go away just because consoles keep getting better. Every time a new console comes out, all the pundits and armchair economists bemoan to impending doom of PC gaming. It never pans out. PC games tend to offer a "deeper" gameplay experience than consoles in general. RTS, FPS and RPG games are examples of games that, in my opinion, are better on the PC than on consoles. Conversely, sports, action and platform games are much better on consoles than PCs.

Don't get me wrong - I enjoy console as well as PC gaming. Each has its place depending on your gaming style.

Yes, the consoles keeps gatting better thanks to the development for PC gaming hardware, where do you think that the PS3 or XBOX360 GPU comes from? yes from years nad years of development of PC gaming hardware, without the PC as gaming plataform the consoles would have far less powerfull graphich chips.

 

[tuteja1986]

Will be buying XBOX 360 & PS3 not for graphic but for my game title and sequal. I will still always love the PC the most.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Drayvn
New TV, maybe even speakers? There are a lot of things you would change during the life of a console which is being directly used by the console. Just as much as i changed my monitor on my PC within the past 5 years.

Nice try, but no. 99.99999% of the people that upgrade their home theater set up, do not upgrade to play games on it. It is mainly done to watch movies. So I would not factor that into the equation. Hooking up a console is just an added bonus. But let's throw TV/monitor/speakers out of the equation. Console $400-500 and plays everything PERFECT for ~5 years and gets better with time. PC (just the box), $2000-2500 for a top of the line box and the performance will fade with every new cutting edge game that comes out, not to mention messing with video driver issues and game patches. XBox 360, $50/yr for online play for EVERY game that is XBox Live! enabled. PC, online gaming free for quite a few games, but $12/month ($144/yr) per game for other games.

Also do you get movies, music, file sharing, stuff like that, again this is nothing to do with gaming but again PCs arnt just for gaming. If you really factor in all the cost of the components which do most of the work for gaming, that pretty much goes solely to the GPU. Which costs around the same price as a console. Which at the same time solely is being used as a gaming machine.

I don't want to hear about all this, "but a PC can do more than game." Yes it can, but then again all the other stuff you do on a PC most likely can be done with $300 Dell machine, and can be done for a loooong time. The CPU, memory and MAINLY the video card is solely driven by gaming needs. I don't need an SLIed 7800GTX set up to view my email, watch movies, listen to music and share files. I also don't need a FX57/4800+ and 2GB of memory to do that stuff either. Those components are pretty much for gaming needs only. And those upgrades are the costly ones.

So your gonna buy an HDTV capable console and not have an HDTV. Its like me buying 2 7800GTXs and not having an SLI motherboard...

What about add ons for the consoles, youll have to buy the hard drives, and for the Xbox360 you dont even have HD-DVD at first. Why do you think the Xbox360 and i think the PS3 is coming out in different packs at different and more expensive prices.

From the news i read games for consoles are gonna be more expensive when the consoles are released and they are gonna stay that way.

99.9999999% of ppl who upgrade their computer dont do it just for games, so dont factor that into the equation. Most ppl upgrade their computers to do other things than just play games. I dont think ive ever heard or seen anyone who buys a computer and all they do is play games on it. They do more than just that. Also these consoles can play movies too. So your point is moot now for the fact someone might actually buy a console to do that as well as play games, so they dont have to pay to buy another box. So what happens to upgrading your TV?

So for online play, do any of the consoles have massively multiplayer games? Well in the PC world it is far more different. When someone pays $12 a month they are probably playing an MMORPG which takes a lot of playing time and they pretty much stick to that one game and maybe move on to something else years after. Those games get free updates, far more immersion and much more expansive. For those $50 a year what do you get to play, online racing? FPS online? maybe even RTS online? Well sorry to say, the PC gamers actually pay a one time fee, and thats to buy the game and then they get to play it all they want online.

A PC with a mid range CPU, 512Mb Ram, and an awesomely powerful GPU can still run games beautifully. No the CPU isnt solely driven buy gaming needs. What gave you that idea. What about the advent of Dual Core CPUs. Games have barely scratched the surface of that technology, while applications of many sort, like burning DVDs, encoding and decoding audio and video files and the like will use it far more than games. So tell me again how CPUs are driven by gaming needs?

Why not check out some of Anandtechs reviews of CPUs and tell me how many business and home benchmarks there are compared to gaming benchmarks. Yes its very one sided isnt it.

Again Memory is also the same, of course memory has a lot to do with gaming and most market themselves to do that, but they are not totally dependent on gaming needs, they need to do other applications well to achieve a good medium.

Ive got a pretty decent and cheap 3500+ Winnie CPU, 1Gb of DDR400, and a 7800GTX. So what i have is average CPU, average RAM, monstor GPU, and i can play games smoothly. BF2 is smooth, COD2 Demo is great, FEAR ran beautifully and all the while ive got an average CPU and average RAM.

There is no need to spend tons of money on those. Many ppl still have Bartons and Athlons and Value Ram. While at the same time they have awesome GPUs. And they can play the latest and greates games out there. So tell me again how CPUs and RAM are nearly solely used for gaming?

 

[klah]

Anandtech circa 1985...

Secondly graphics on most units still are nowhere near as good as amiga graphics, in particular the NES can't even touch a reasonably equipped PC (enhanced CGA or EGA) much less the amiga. In terms of sheer quantity the machines also don't make it. Only the NES has more then 100 titles (the NES has something like 312 titles). And I believe that the AMY has more titles then even the NES especially if we count imports (maybe so maybe not) If you want games with any depth and anything resembling intelligence then the AMY is obviously your choice. Try comparing KOEI's cut down games such as Romance Kings of Ancient China on the AMY and the NES and see which you prefer. The NES is also slow, ever try to play chess on a NES. This is all as it should be since AMY costs several times as much as NES, but the NES's games typically cost much more then an AMY game through mail-order. So thanks but no thanks, I wouldn't trade in for a NeXt much less a NES.

Unless you live in your parent's basement and work at Taco Bell just buy all of them and be happy.