XBOX a failure?

[CripplerCrossface]

dude gamecube is pretty much finished. ps2 has pretty much hit its peak. the only reason the game cube has sold more is because xbox sales i japan are abysmal.( they just started to beat the woderswan color) but xbox is presently outselling the gc in all other territories. my prediction is that this holiday season the xbox will be continue to rise. the ps2 has no choice but to fall and the gc will prob stay right where it is. microsoft has plenty of must have games coming out within the next half year. Splinter cell, shenmue II, and the list goes on and on. plus all of the second generationgames like halo 2 and the like. plus xbox live.

 

[Nutdotnet]

There are an ass-load of games comming out right now that just look SICK on the Xbox.

Yes, the PS2 definetly has a better selection of games RIGHT NOW, but think about it. The majority of games PS2 fans spit out are sequels. The Xbox has been out a year, the PS2, counting the PS1 has been out since when? 1995? That is Seven years to make some killer sequels. The Xbox hasn't been out long enough to do that.

Let's compare NEW games and see who is out on top.

 

[vash]

The Xbox is not a failure. The Xbox will have a version 2 and we'll see how many more titles are on that system.

Titles sell systems, plain and simple. Hardware DOES NOT sell systems. With the PS2, Sony is out of the gates early and with their existing developer support, people can count on 2+ years worth of titles over the Xbox. However, numerous titles are coming out on all three platforms and we'll start to see which "must have" games will make or break a system. Remember Street Fighter 2? That game, alone, placed the SNES on the map (yes, Mario was good, yes Zelda was good). A title, of that kind of caliber, will put the Xbox on the map.

vash

 

[BD231]

Arguing that the PS2 has more game's is a moot point, it's been out forever. My beef with the PS2 is that it's to slow, tearing (stairstep) is present in way to many PS2 games, and all the game's it has are sub-par or just plain crap with the exception of a few good titles. I'm a sports buff and I'd take an XBox over PS2 any day. Someone commented on DOA3 having tearing problems, I've rented that game and have had no such problem.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: vash
The Xbox is not a failure. The Xbox will have a version 2 and we'll see how many more titles are on that system.

Titles sell systems, plain and simple. Hardware DOES NOT sell systems. With the PS2, Sony is out of the gates early and with their existing developer support, people can count on 2+ years worth of titles over the Xbox. However, numerous titles are coming out on all three platforms and we'll start to see which "must have" games will make or break a system. Remember Street Fighter 2? That game, alone, placed the SNES on the map (yes, Mario was good, yes Zelda was good). A title, of that kind of caliber, will put the Xbox on the map.

vash

I would have to agree, games MAKE the system, but having killer graphics and sound makes those games just that much better.

I think it is a great time for gamers, there is a ton of competition right now and there is going to be A LOT more in the comming months (you guys should see the holiday releases for the Xbox, so many potential killer games, and don't forget about Xbox Live!)

 

[MrBond]

The ps2 didnt have any noteworthy games until 1.5 years after its release

GT3, MGS2, ICO, GTA3, and FFX were all out in less then 1.5 years of the ps2 launch...

That article isn't entirely factual. According to the latest sales results I saw on IGN:

[Though Xbox and GameCube launched nearly simultaneously in the US, Microsoft's hardware quickly jumped to a small sales lead over Nintendo's due in large to strong reception of the exclusive shooter Halo. Since that time the Xbox has stayed in the front, though the Big N has made some commendable attempts to lessen the gap. Perhaps Nintendo's biggest shot at picking up market share came last month with the release of Super Mario Sunshine. The flagship mascot game, highly anticipated and critically acclaimed, went on to sell more than 350,000 units during its first week of release in America.

Which brings us into September, a surprisingly strong month for Nintendo as a software company. Three of the company's first-party offerings made the Top 10 best-selling games of the month list, according to various tracking services. No Xbox software, meanwhile, managed that feat. And yet, oddly enough, Microsoft's hardware still outsold GameCube for the month, albeit just barely

GameCube hardware sales in September totaled nearly 168,000 units. Xbox sold 175,000 pieces. That brings life-to-date sales of GCN in the US up to 2.3 million versus 2.8 million Xbox sales. Sony's unstoppable giant PlayStation 2, meanwhile, crushed figures of both systems in September, selling an additional 500,000 pieces of hardware. More than 11.3 million PS2s have sold in America since the console launched.

The number-one selling game in September was Electronic Arts Madden NFL 2003 for PS2 with nearly 375,000 units, according to data. Square's Kingdom Hearts ranked second with 345,000 pieces. Super Mario Sunshine sold an additional 266,000 units for a total sell-through of 616,000 pieces since its launch in late August. Strong sales of SOCOM and Tekken 4 were rounded out by a surprisingly solid showing of Star Fox Adventures, which sold 170,000 units in September. Animal Crossing also managed to sell more than 100,000 pieces during the month.

Also interesting were sales of Acclaim's first-person shooter Turok Evolution across all three platforms. Despite the fact that the franchise was launched on a Nintendo platform, it performed weakest on GameCube with a mere 35,000 estimated units sold. Both Xbox and PS2 averaged sales of 65,000 units./Q]

 

[Comp625]

The XBox itself is not a failure as long as there are gamers who enjoy the system. The sales are on-par with Gamecube sales (even better in most territories). Is anyone saying that Gamecube is a failure? Not really. Financially, Gamecube should be the one that should be criticized for failing.

Also, Microsoft's original intention was to enter the console market and make an impression. They hoped that the XBox would do well in terms of sales (and compared to the PS2, it's not doing well at all in sales statistics). They are using the XBox as a momentum builder as a way to create a household name in the console market. That way, XBox 2 will be off to a better start in a couple years when it faces off against the PS3. That is when the real console wars begin. Right now is just the prelude if you ask me.

 

[LH]

MS has spent $2.5billion on the Xbox total.

That includes $1.5billion on the Xbox R&D, manufacturing, money spent on exclusives, and money spent on marketing.

They also spent $1billion to create the largest computer gaming network which will host the Zone and XboxLive.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: BD231
Arguing that the PS2 has more game's is a moot point, it's been out forever. My beef with the PS2 is that it's to slow, tearing (stairstep) is present in way to many PS2 games, and all the game's it has are sub-par or just plain crap with the exception of a few good titles. I'm a sports buff and I'd take an XBox over PS2 any day. Someone commented on DOA3 having tearing problems, I've rented that game and have had no such problem.

It is not a moot point. PS2 having more games is a very important point. That they're better games is an even more important point.

 

[CripplerCrossface]

The ps2 didnt have any noteworthy games until 1.5 years after its release

GT3, MGS2, ICO, GTA3, and FFX were all out in less then 1.5 years of the ps2 launch...

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ps2 release march 2000. mgs nov 2001,gta 3 oct 2001, ffX dec 2001

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface

The ps2 didnt have any noteworthy games until 1.5 years after its release

GT3, MGS2, ICO, GTA3, and FFX were all out in less then 1.5 years of the ps2 launch...

ps2 release march 2000. mgs nov 2001,gta 3 oct 2001, ffX dec 2001[/quote]

Now be fair, wasn't the PS2 in the US actually release in Oct. or Nov. of 2000?

Anyways, how can one say that the PS2 is getting BETTER games. What Better games? GTA4? GT4? All sequels, what about kick ass games with new ideas?

 

[CripplerCrossface]

mvc2 is coming out on feb 2003 acc to gamespot. You know what that means? Online play on XBL only! And soul calibur II comes out at aboot the same time. xbox is looking better every minute.

 

[Ganryu]

What's the problem with sequels if they are good? My point is that Xbox was a failure because it does not have any hot exclusive games, with the exception of Halo (which I don't even like) and a couple of others. Even Gamecube has promising games such as the metroid and zelda sequels and the staple mario. People keep mentioning Xbox live but the problem is that its going to cost a lot of money. 50 bucks a year + 10 bucks a month after that. PS2 is a one time $40 investment.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: Ganryu
What's the problem with sequels if they are good? My point is that Xbox was a failure because it does not have any hot exclusive games, with the exception of Halo (which I don't even like) and a couple of others. Even Gamecube has promising games such as the metroid and zelda sequels and the staple mario. People keep mentioning Xbox live but the problem is that its going to cost a lot of money. 50 bucks a year + 10 bucks a month after that. PS2 is a one time $40 investment.

There IS nothing wrong with sequels, but my point IS with the exception of some killer sequels comming out on the PS2, what NEW games are being produced? Honestly, I would like to know.

Yes, Xbox live is $50 a year, but nothing has been said on how it is going to be charged after the initial year (not that I know of anyways), and for the service you get with XBLive I think it is WELL worth it.

No hot exclusive games huh? Halo, PGR, Sega GT 2002, Transworld Snowboarding, Shenmue 2 (yeah, old DC but I think it counts), Splinter Cell, Mech Assault, Unreal Championship, and the list goes on and on, and is continuing to grow!

 

[SOSTrooper]

XBox isnt a failure. A failure to me is when the system bombs when it comes out. Such as Virtual Boy, Sega 32X, and Jaguar. But XBox is not and will not be a success. Lacking much support from Japanese developers, XBox will see very sparse exclusive games from Japanese developers. Though XBox will not die from just that, it'll continue to live on American games, mostly made to both PC & XBox and cross-platform games from here and oversea publishers. It seems like to me XBox is living off the Halo series and mostly sports games. Only time will tell, but my prediction is XBox will go under first and follows shortly by GameCube. Although GameCube could sell more systems this holiday season with the anticipated Metroid Prime.

 

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

There IS nothing wrong with sequels, but my point IS with the exception of some killer sequels comming out on the PS2, what NEW games are being produced? Honestly, I would like to know.

What does the xobx have? Spinter Cell? That's on the PC too. Fable? Beware the beast called Molyneux. Umm, Halo 2? Pretty lame lineup.

 

[CripplerCrossface]

Someone do this for me. name 10 games on ps2 that are must have AND completely exclusive. someone enlighten me.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

There IS nothing wrong with sequels, but my point IS with the exception of some killer sequels comming out on the PS2, what NEW games are being produced? Honestly, I would like to know.

What does the xobx have? Spinter Cell? That's on the PC too. Fable? Beware the beast called Molyneux. Umm, Halo 2? Pretty lame lineup.

Splinter Cell is on the PC too? That's cool! Didn't know that.

Anyways, you must have missed the other games I listed. Forgot about Ninja Gaiden. Yeah, I know it is from an older title, but it looks sick as hell!

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
Someone do this for me. name 10 games on ps2 that are must have AND completely exclusive. someone enlighten me.

I would like to know that too, and you can't count GTA3 since it is on the PC as well.

 

[BD231]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: BD231
Arguing that the PS2 has more game's is a moot point, it's been out forever. My beef with the PS2 is that it's to slow, tearing (stairstep) is present in way to many PS2 games, and all the game's it has are sub-par or just plain crap with the exception of a few good titles. I'm a sports buff and I'd take an XBox over PS2 any day. Someone commented on DOA3 having tearing problems, I've rented that game and have had no such problem.

It is not a moot point. PS2 having more games is a very important point. That they're better games is an even more important point.

That's the problem though, they're not better! There are ton's of games on the PS2 and ALOT of them are complete crap just like the PS One titles. PS2 has been out longer so of course it's going to have more game's. I dont want to fight about it though, people saying the PS2 is better because it has more game's, even though most those "more game's" are crap are just trying to bash the XBox. I have both a PS2 and XBox with few games between the two, Madden 2003 is mostly all I play(madden 2002 before that), NBA Street is another, GT3 is decent, Rally Sprot Challenge and Tony Hawks Pro Skater 3. These are pretty much ALL I play, I have GTA3 which is a WAY over rated game, wish I never bought it. One big thing for me game wise is smooth gameplay, PS2 dose not deliver consitently in this area. Since most the games I play are multi console game's, it's obvious I'm going lean towards the XBox though, simply because the game's look and play better.

 

[SOSTrooper]

Gran Turismo 3
Devil May Cry
Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Grand Theft Auto III (A year ago)/GTA: Vice City (which ever one you want to count)
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance (A year ago)
Virtua Fighter 4 (cant say its not great, otherwise it wouldnt get good reviews)
Kingdom Hearts
Frequency
I would say for the last spot it'll either be between Jak & Daxter, Twisted Metal: Black, ICO, DDRMAX, or WipeOut Fusion, all got good reviews.

Also dont try to say GTA3 and Dark Alliance will be on or already on other platforms, cuz I can pretty much say the same with Halo, which defeats the purpose. Doesnt matter how long it takes to come out for a platform, it comes out sooner or later. But those were exclusives when they came out.

 

[Tallgeese]

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
Someone do this for me. name 10 games on ps2 that are must have AND completely exclusive. someone enlighten me.

I own an Xbox, but I would pick up a PS2 if the price was right for these games:

SOCOM
Gran Turismo 3
Tekken 4/Virtua Fighter 4 (toss-up)
Twisted Metal: Black
Devil May Cry

BUT it would have to be a DARN good price!

 

[CripplerCrossface]

Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Gran Turismo 3
Devil May Cry
Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Grand Theft Auto III (A year ago)/GTA: Vice City (which ever one you want to count)
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance (A year ago)
Virtua Fighter 4 (cant say its not great, otherwise it wouldnt get good reviews)
Kingdom Hearts
Frequency
I would say for the last spot it'll either be between Jak & Daxter, Twisted Metal: Black, ICO, DDRMAX, or WipeOut Fusion, all got good reviews.

Also dont try to say GTA3 and Dark Alliance will be on or already on other platforms, cuz I can pretty much say the same with Halo, which defeats the purpose. Doesnt matter how long it takes to come out for a platform, it comes out sooner or later. But those were exclusives when they came out.

GT3- good but quite old.
DMC- see above
mgs2-coming to xbox
gta3- on pc
vice city-coming to pc
vf4- coming to xbox
KH- ok
freq- wouldnt call that a must have, to each his own
jak&dakster-ok
twisted metal-ok

got aboot there would give u five if i liked rhythm games. i want complete exclusives people. not conditional exclusives.

 

[Tallgeese]

Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Also dont try to say GTA3 and Dark Alliance will be on or already on other platforms...Doesnt matter how long it takes to come out for a platform, it comes out sooner or later. But those were exclusives when they came out.

So just how in the heck does that make them EXCLUSIVE titles again? *shakes head*

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
vf4- coming to xbox

Hadn't heard that...sweet! Plenty of eyecandy with a stable framerate...if the developers care to actually tap the Xbox's power, rather than just rehash the lowest common denominator *cough* PS2 *cough*

 

[CripplerCrossface]

Originally posted by: TallGeese

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
Someone do this for me. name 10 games on ps2 that are must have AND completely exclusive. someone enlighten me.

I own an Xbox, but I would pick up a PS2 if the price was right for these games:

SOCOM
Gran Turismo 3
Tekken 4/Virtua Fighter 4 (toss-up)
Twisted Metal: Black
Devil May Cry

BUT it would have to be a DARN good price!

same here. i am kinda mad about xbox not getting tekken 4 but after scII comes out tekken4 will be the last thing onn my mind