XBOX a failure?

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Shantanu

Shadow Hearts and the castlvina Series aren't being released tot he Xbox

Like anyone gives a sh|t. LOL.

Yeah, it's all about Morrowind, Unreal, Scortched Earth, and all of the other XBox games that are done better on the PC.

XBox has a bunch of PC ports; luckily for XBox fans, sooner or later, they'll get MGS, VF4, GTA3 and a bunch of other PS2 ports.

 

[CripplerCrossface]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
I'm still stuck on Dreamcast. I'm not going the PS2 route until I finish all these DC RPGs.

You do know the Xbox is outsold weekly by the PS1 in Japan? You also know that without Japanese developer support it will be extremely hard to keep a console alive, even for someone with Microsoft's money. Ever wonder why the Xbox is littered with PC ports? Besides Sega, Japan hardly wants to touch it.

no sh!t sherlock. i even said that in one of my earlier posts. the xbox just started outselling the wonderswan color.

 

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
no sh!t sherlock. i even said that in one of my earlier posts. the xbox just started outselling the wonderswan color.

Ohhh, by 1,000 units. Now if it can only outsell that mean old WonderSwan Crystal it can start worrying about competing in the 7 year old console market.

I have found that most Xbox users fit into one of two categories:

1) PC gamers with outdated PCs
2) People who attend Visual Studio .NET launch parties and have pics of Bill Gates taped up in their cube

 

[Tallgeese]

Originally posted by: dwell
I have found that most Xbox users fit into one of two catagories:

Here we go

It was a nice discussion while it lasted, folks. :frown:

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface

Originally posted by: Ganryu
I think Xbox is a failure mainly because there is not as wide a selection of games, and certainly no killer games like GTA3/4, Metal Gear Solid (yeah, I know there is a version coming out, but it's a year later), and Final Fantasy. That said, it usually takes three tries for microsoft to do anything right. Remember, IE 1 and 2 sucked but 3 was great, Windows 1 and 2 were crappy, but 3.0 changed the PC world. Same thing with Windows CE, 1.0, 2.0 and finally Pocket PC 2002. So I predict that we will be all switching to Xbox 3 somepoint in the future.

How quicky we forget that the box has not been out for a year. The ps2 didnt have any noteworthy games until 1.5 years after its release. Calling the xbox a failure at this point is like calling digital TV a failure. It is just too soon to tell. And since the xbox is currently outselling the gamecube, what would u people call that? IMO all three are good systems. but only one (x-box, of course) has the potential to be great.

u got ps2 for people who like to get head in a car. nintendo for mario fanatics and kids. xbox is for all of the good gamers out there who take online seriously.I was going to say xbox is for hardcore gamers but if one was really hardcore they would have 2 or 3 of the "next-gen" consoles.

IMO X-box still does not have a noteworthy title

take away all the cross Platform/ PC titles and the selection is extremely small

much smaller than the ps2 or GC library if you do the same for with them

noteworthy title IMO means a title that compels me to buy the system

if it did than i would have bought it already

 

[CripplerCrossface]

well, dude i am not in japan and could really care less about how it is doing over there. They are just loyal to sony. thats already established.

I for one own and xbox not only because it has the best versions of crossplatform games but because of xbox live and because i know nothing is going to touch it for the next 2-3 years.
My gaming PC is not the greatest thing in the world (xp 1700+, aiw8500, 256mb ram) but it does the trick.
I dont even know what visual studio net or whatever is.
and u missed my point entirely on my post i was actually trying to agree with u that the xbox market in japan is horrible which i posted aboot earlier.

 

[Kilgor]

Yeah, it's all about Morrowind, Unreal, Scortched Earth, and all of the other XBox games that are done better on the PC.

XBox has a bunch of PC ports; luckily for XBox fans, sooner or later, they'll get MGS, VF4, GTA3 and a bunch of other PS2 ports.

It is about PC ports, alot of people are tiring of upgrading computers just to play games. When I started playing PC games I never bought another console until the Xbox because it's a way for me to play PC games without the computer and on a Big Screen. I never got into Final Fantasy or Super Mario pokeball sunshine or whatever nintendo has out. I don't want PS2 type games on the Xbox, I want PC type titles so I don't have to keep shoving money into my PC.

 

[CripplerCrossface]

Originally posted by: Kilgor

Yeah, it's all about Morrowind, Unreal, Scortched Earth, and all of the other XBox games that are done better on the PC.

XBox has a bunch of PC ports; luckily for XBox fans, sooner or later, they'll get MGS, VF4, GTA3 and a bunch of other PS2 ports.

It is about PC ports, alot of people are tiring of upgrading computers just to play games. When I started playing PC games I never bought another console until the Xbox because it's a way for me to play PC games without the computer and on a Big Screen. I never got into Final Fantasy or Super Mario pokeball sunshine or whatever nintendo has out. I don't want PS2 type games on the Xbox, I want PC type titles so I don't have to keep shoving money into my PC.

tru.

 

[Ganryu]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Ganryu
What's the problem with sequels if they are good? My point is that Xbox was a failure because it does not have any hot exclusive games, with the exception of Halo (which I don't even like) and a couple of others. Even Gamecube has promising games such as the metroid and zelda sequels and the staple mario. People keep mentioning Xbox live but the problem is that its going to cost a lot of money. 50 bucks a year + 10 bucks a month after that. PS2 is a one time $40 investment.

One time $40 investment? lol, you must be joking. Each software company needs to develop their own network and run their own servers. They are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. EA Sports will charge maybe $40/year and Square may charge $20/year etc... Each company can charge whatever they want, and they will charge...maybe even monthly.

Fine then, even if EA sports and square start charging money, that's going to be on top of the monthly fee you pay for xbox live.

 

[CripplerCrossface]

Originally posted by: Ganryu

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Ganryu
What's the problem with sequels if they are good? My point is that Xbox was a failure because it does not have any hot exclusive games, with the exception of Halo (which I don't even like) and a couple of others. Even Gamecube has promising games such as the metroid and zelda sequels and the staple mario. People keep mentioning Xbox live but the problem is that its going to cost a lot of money. 50 bucks a year + 10 bucks a month after that. PS2 is a one time $40 investment.

One time $40 investment? lol, you must be joking. Each software company needs to develop their own network and run their own servers. They are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. EA Sports will charge maybe $40/year and Square may charge $20/year etc... Each company can charge whatever they want, and they will charge...maybe even monthly.

Fine then, even if EA sports and square start charging money, that's going to be on top of the monthly fee you pay for xbox live.

you're quite uniformed. whatever xbox charges is going to be a base fee. they are using their own servers for all of the games. its also a lot easier cause u only have one bill to pay for online gaming.

 

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface

you're quite uniformed. whatever xbox charges is going to be a base fee. they are using their own servers for all of the games. its also a lot easier cause u only have one bill to pay for online gaming.

Actually, EA is pretty close to dropping support for the Xbox so you don't have much to worry about.

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: Ganryu

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Ganryu
What's the problem with sequels if they are good? My point is that Xbox was a failure because it does not have any hot exclusive games, with the exception of Halo (which I don't even like) and a couple of others. Even Gamecube has promising games such as the metroid and zelda sequels and the staple mario. People keep mentioning Xbox live but the problem is that its going to cost a lot of money. 50 bucks a year + 10 bucks a month after that. PS2 is a one time $40 investment.

One time $40 investment? lol, you must be joking. Each software company needs to develop their own network and run their own servers. They are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. EA Sports will charge maybe $40/year and Square may charge $20/year etc... Each company can charge whatever they want, and they will charge...maybe even monthly.

Fine then, even if EA sports and square start charging money, that's going to be on top of the monthly fee you pay for xbox live.

Isn't the whole point of XBox live to only pay Microsoft? They set up the servers, the network, everything, and then every XBox game released uses it. Anything else makes no sense.

 

[CripplerCrossface]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface

you're quite uniformed. whatever xbox charges is going to be a base fee. they are using their own servers for all of the games. its also a lot easier cause u only have one bill to pay for online gaming.

Actually, EA is pretty close to dropping support for the Xbox so you don't have much to worry about.

thats why i play ---2k-

 

[BD231]

Ganryu your just being an argumentitive baby trying to prove a false point now. Nothing is wrong with the XBox, it has not failed at anything, it's doing exactly what every other console is doing, get over it.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: obiwaynekenobi

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface

Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
Gran Turismo 3
Devil May Cry
Final Fantasy X
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Grand Theft Auto III (A year ago)/GTA: Vice City (which ever one you want to count)
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance (A year ago)
Virtua Fighter 4 (cant say its not great, otherwise it wouldnt get good reviews)
Kingdom Hearts
Frequency
I would say for the last spot it'll either be between Jak & Daxter, Twisted Metal: Black, ICO, DDRMAX, or WipeOut Fusion, all got good reviews.

Also dont try to say GTA3 and Dark Alliance will be on or already on other platforms, cuz I can pretty much say the same with Halo, which defeats the purpose. Doesnt matter how long it takes to come out for a platform, it comes out sooner or later. But those were exclusives when they came out.

GT3- good but quite old.
DMC- see above
mgs2-coming to xbox
gta3- on pc
vice city-coming to pc
vf4- coming to xbox
KH- ok
freq- wouldnt call that a must have, to each his own
jak&dakster-ok
twisted metal-ok

got aboot there would give u five if i liked rhythm games. i want complete exclusives people. not conditional exclusives.

Shadow Hearts and the castlvina Series aren't being released tot he Xbox

Halo is not an exclusive (though I didnt care for it much anyway) because it will be done better on PC

what i hate about the Box is the same types of games come out for it

how many freaking sports titles and FPS ' s do we need

IMO X box needs

1. Classic Rpgs

2. No more racing games (or less)

3. Less cross platform more exclusives( actually all new system need this)

4. a killer platform game

5. innovative genres/ games (what Resident Evil, Tomb Raider did for the PSX)


just #1 would be enough for me to buy one though

 

[fatbaby]

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: Ganryu

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Ganryu
What's the problem with sequels if they are good? My point is that Xbox was a failure because it does not have any hot exclusive games, with the exception of Halo (which I don't even like) and a couple of others. Even Gamecube has promising games such as the metroid and zelda sequels and the staple mario. People keep mentioning Xbox live but the problem is that its going to cost a lot of money. 50 bucks a year + 10 bucks a month after that. PS2 is a one time $40 investment.

One time $40 investment? lol, you must be joking. Each software company needs to develop their own network and run their own servers. They are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. EA Sports will charge maybe $40/year and Square may charge $20/year etc... Each company can charge whatever they want, and they will charge...maybe even monthly.

Fine then, even if EA sports and square start charging money, that's going to be on top of the monthly fee you pay for xbox live.

Isn't the whole point of XBox live to only pay Microsoft? They set up the servers, the network, everything, and then every XBox game released uses it. Anything else makes no sense.

I think its an excellent concept. $50 gets you a gamertag, 1 year of play, a headset, and a game. Eq costs $13 a month, or more than $100 a year. I assume the ps2 online games have monthly charges, i know ff will

 

[BD231]

Actually, EA is pretty close to dropping support for the Xbox so you don't have much to worry about.

Support as in not making game's for the console anymore, what kind of support are we talking here?

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: TallGeese

Originally posted by: dwell
I have found that most Xbox users fit into one of two catagories:

Here we go

It was a nice discussion while it lasted, folks. :frown:

Yeah, the fanboys came in and ruined this thread.

 

Originally posted by: BD231

Support as in not making game's for the console anymore, what kind of support are we talking here?

Their relationship with Microsoft is currently strained. I doubt they will drop support but they are not happy and spoke against MS openly.

 

[Ganryu]

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface

Originally posted by: Ganryu

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Ganryu
What's the problem with sequels if they are good? My point is that Xbox was a failure because it does not have any hot exclusive games, with the exception of Halo (which I don't even like) and a couple of others. Even Gamecube has promising games such as the metroid and zelda sequels and the staple mario. People keep mentioning Xbox live but the problem is that its going to cost a lot of money. 50 bucks a year + 10 bucks a month after that. PS2 is a one time $40 investment.

One time $40 investment? lol, you must be joking. Each software company needs to develop their own network and run their own servers. They are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. EA Sports will charge maybe $40/year and Square may charge $20/year etc... Each company can charge whatever they want, and they will charge...maybe even monthly.

Fine then, even if EA sports and square start charging money, that's going to be on top of the monthly fee you pay for xbox live.

you're quite uniformed. whatever xbox charges is going to be a base fee. they are using their own servers for all of the games. its also a lot easier cause u only have one bill to pay for online gaming.

Yes you are correct I made a mistake. However, with the monthly fee, I'm not sure how many users are going to pay for Xbox live. (I am referring to people who are making a decision to buy a new video game console). Regarding my argument about the games however, the point is that there is still are few killer games out for the system, that aren't available on either the computer or PS2 already.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: Ganryu

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface

Originally posted by: Ganryu

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Ganryu
What's the problem with sequels if they are good? My point is that Xbox was a failure because it does not have any hot exclusive games, with the exception of Halo (which I don't even like) and a couple of others. Even Gamecube has promising games such as the metroid and zelda sequels and the staple mario. People keep mentioning Xbox live but the problem is that its going to cost a lot of money. 50 bucks a year + 10 bucks a month after that. PS2 is a one time $40 investment.

One time $40 investment? lol, you must be joking. Each software company needs to develop their own network and run their own servers. They are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. EA Sports will charge maybe $40/year and Square may charge $20/year etc... Each company can charge whatever they want, and they will charge...maybe even monthly.

Fine then, even if EA sports and square start charging money, that's going to be on top of the monthly fee you pay for xbox live.

you're quite uniformed. whatever xbox charges is going to be a base fee. they are using their own servers for all of the games. its also a lot easier cause u only have one bill to pay for online gaming.

Yes you are correct I made a mistake. However, with the monthly fee, I'm not sure how many users are going to pay for Xbox live. (I am referring to people who are making a decision to buy a new video game console). Regarding my argument about the games however, the point is that there is still are few killer games out for the system, that aren't available on either the computer or PS2 already.

Now are you talking about games that are out RIGHT now, or games that are comming out for the Box...because there are going to be some kick-ass titles that are comming out for ONLY the box. Sure some MAY be comming out for the PC at a late date, but so is Vice City.

 

[Sachmho]

i don't know why people say it sucks. I have one with a good amount of games, and I have great fun with it. I certainly like it better than most consoles i've had to date. its got fantastic graphics and now a fairly wide array of games. certainly worth my money. those of you bashing it, its probably you've never had one/played one. go die.

 

[BD231]

Originally posted by: dwell

Originally posted by: BD231

Support as in not making game's for the console anymore, what kind of support are we talking here?

Their relationship with Microsoft is currently strained. I doubt they will drop support but they are not happy and spoke against MS openly.

Ok well saying EA Sports is close to dropping support is out of line with that small bit of info, they would never do such a thing considering the XBox is currently the best sports console out right now.

 

[Ganryu]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

Originally posted by: Ganryu

Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface

Originally posted by: Ganryu

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Ganryu
What's the problem with sequels if they are good? My point is that Xbox was a failure because it does not have any hot exclusive games, with the exception of Halo (which I don't even like) and a couple of others. Even Gamecube has promising games such as the metroid and zelda sequels and the staple mario. People keep mentioning Xbox live but the problem is that its going to cost a lot of money. 50 bucks a year + 10 bucks a month after that. PS2 is a one time $40 investment.

One time $40 investment? lol, you must be joking. Each software company needs to develop their own network and run their own servers. They are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. EA Sports will charge maybe $40/year and Square may charge $20/year etc... Each company can charge whatever they want, and they will charge...maybe even monthly.

Fine then, even if EA sports and square start charging money, that's going to be on top of the monthly fee you pay for xbox live.

you're quite uniformed. whatever xbox charges is going to be a base fee. they are using their own servers for all of the games. its also a lot easier cause u only have one bill to pay for online gaming.

Yes you are correct I made a mistake. However, with the monthly fee, I'm not sure how many users are going to pay for Xbox live. (I am referring to people who are making a decision to buy a new video game console). Regarding my argument about the games however, the point is that there is still are few killer games out for the system, that aren't available on either the computer or PS2 already.

Now are you talking about games that are out RIGHT now, or games that are comming out for the Box...because there are going to be some kick-ass titles that are comming out for ONLY the box. Sure some MAY be comming out for the PC at a late date, but so is Vice City.

Actually there are no plans (yet anyway) for a PC Vice City port. Even if it will be out later, it will be almost a year later, like GTA3. The issue is not that there aren't kickass games coming out for xbox but that there aren't as many.

 

[Tallgeese]

Strategically, here is what MS has done wrong with the Xbox, IMHO:

* Over-reliance on hardware specs - This is not the PC market...the hardware mindset (if you can call it that) is different in the console market.
* Not pursuing exclusivity agreements - Rather than buying companies outright, they should be purchasing exclusivity contracts. Cheaper than owning studios. I do think Bungie was a BRILLIANT acquisition. Rare? Remains to be seen...altho an Xbox exclusive Perfect Dark would kick mucho bootay!
* Terrible hardware form factors - Sure, the "S" controller is here now, but first impressions matter (and STICK in people's heads). With all the SFF PC cases around, I find it LUDICROUS that MS couldn't design something that didn't strangely hearken back to the size of the Atari 2600.
* Playing catch-up - The Xbox console was released behind PS2. MS' Live is coming out AFTER the PS2 network adapter. MS more than anyone else should understand the importance of SHIPPING FIRST!

And here's where MS has executed successfully, again IMHO:

* They have captured the #2 spot on their first outing - A HUGE accomplishment, given the entrenched position of Nintendo.
* Been willing to correct mistakes, AND get serious when competing - Price cuts, replacing faulty units quickly, the "S" controller. Microsoft has not been arrogant in this new market.
* Played to their strengths - The Xbox does have some sweet features, and they are making the most of them.
* Online strategy - Make no mistake...this is gonna be HUGE to console gaming, just like it revolutionized PC gaming. MS has the best plan for this area...and here's why:

Let's look at the economic model of Xbox Live...

Now MS has publicly been announcing numbers of something like 150K signups for the Beta testing.
Let's even go so far as to halve that number...you're talking 75K players.
Figure at $50 a pop for the Live starter kits...
That's a cool $3.75 million from subscriptions for Year 1.

Now, let's look at Year 2 revenue...
Let's assume that MS charges $10 a month for Xbox Live.
We'll still assume a base of 75K players.
An even cooler $9 million in subscription revenue.

Bump that to $15 a month (unlikely tho), and you're talking $13.5 million in subscription fees alone.

Personally, I think the penetration rate for Y1will be more like 100K to 125K.
So figure somewhere between $5M~$6.25M Y1 subscription revenue
Figure $12M~15M Y2 revenue

If MS starts punching out subscriber numbers...LOOK OUT!
At 250K users: Y1=$12.5M; Y2=$30M (this is a valid target..less than a 10% penetration in North America)
At 500K users: Y1=$25M; Y2=$60M (more aggressive target for sure...a bit less than 20% penetration at current console numbers)

And that is continuing revenue, unlike the one-shot charge from Sony for the network adapter.

Now...in North America, Sony has sold roughly 11.5 million PS2 units.
Assuming a 10% penetration for the Network Adapter (over 1 million adapters, mind you), Sony would stand to generate roughly $46M, one-time.
Not a small number to be sure, but compare that to MS' potential numbers, with only half the number of units sold...hmmmm.
Consider than MS' revenue is a subscription model....in the immortal words of Keith Jackson...

WHOA NELLY!

Now let's discuss this like adults...and leave the fanboy cr@p to another thread :frown: