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Ganryu

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Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
ganryu u have to widen your scope a little. if you are looking for just games and games only. ps2 wins hands down(right now). but for the overall package the xbox destroys the ps2, the GC and over 50% of pc's that are out there.
for a $500-$1000 invesment how much better can u get. about the only thing that the xbox doesnt do is pvr. Of course that will change

What else besides games is there? What total package? Despite what MS says, this is a GAME console. I don't need to use Xbox as anything else. The current version of Xbox can't do PVR, or playback MP3s (as far as I know, without a hack). I'mnot saying that a future version won't (and it will if Microsoft is smart), and if they release one that does at a similar price, I might buy one then. I buy a GAME console for the GAMES. If you are looking for other things, for 500-1000 dollars you can get a great system from dell (or better yet build one yourself) that will wipe the Xbox on the floor.
 

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Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
I think you people have an inferiority complex trying to brag about the console you own trying to justify spending or not spending on something.
Theres games on every console I like, and I really don't give a fsck how "good" one is doing over the other in the market. Heck, as long as the prices keep going down and theres more games being made I'm happy. To each thier own.

So can we PLEASE stop w/ these god damn console threads. Do you people have some kind of personal defficiences that you have to talk about how great your console is or how bad another one is?

I dont know what u are talking aboot. This is one of the most objective console threads i have seen. I havent read a post that said x-box sucks or anyone call the ps2 a pos2. Yeah there are grat games on all consoles, but unfortunalely i dont have a couple of thousand bucks to burn on video games. btw dont use the lords name in vain


Are you reading the same thread I am? I hope I really don't have to quote people throughout this entire thread. I've already seen these three... "GC sucks", "PS2 sucks", and "X-Box sucks".
Why can't you people realize we all don't like the same games. It's not that hard.
 

Tallgeese

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Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
I'd like JSRF (loved the DC version)
JSRF even better than JGR
Halo (although I much dislike playing FPS with controller since I've been a hardcore FPS on PC)
I thought I would too. Believe it or not, it's actually a pretty nice control scheme (I LOVE my nostromo n50 and Intellimouse Explorer 3.0, and I was actually starting to miss the "S" controller) But either way...Halo is SUBLIME and a DON'T MISS title, seriously
and uhhhh.... maybe DOA3 (which was my main reason why I wanted XBox at launch, but I chickened out from some reviews on the game's medicore quality)
I don't see DOA3 as mediocre at all, altho more could have/should have been done to differentiate it from DOA2 on DC, which explains the Booster Pack, to a large extent.
I dont like sports games, so dont bother listing them.
Me either...altho that is a HUGE market to ignore.
Also saying XBox is a great system cuz of its powerful hardware, is only saying I've drawn the best painting because I used the best set of $200 paint
Better analogy...saying the Xbox is a better system cuz of its hardware is kinda like saying this car wins the quarter mile over this car because it's faster...ie under identical conditions (rendering same title) it can move faster (it looks better, etc.) In the case of non-exclusives, hardware IS important. And the industry does seem to be moving away from exclusives.
Numbers show how successful a console system is, not the sheer power of its hardware or graphically perfect games.
No argument there, altho I still maintain that the online strategy might just alter that truism a bit.
 

SOSTrooper

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Well, not many people will spend $200 on a console just for 2 $50 games. I know I wouldnt. So lets not state the obvious shall we?
 

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Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
This is one of the most objective console threads i have seen. I havent read a post that said x-box sucks or anyone call the ps2 a pos2.
Are you reading the same thread I am? I've already seen these three... "GC sucks", "PS2 sucks", and "X-Box sucks".
When he posted that...the thread hadn't gotten out of hand...at least not for a little bit longer, anyway :frown:
 

Ganryu

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Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
You got it It was in the first page. I think you or someone critiqued it too.

It is very difficult, and rather pointless, to list games for a system that you oppose. Pretty much everything I'll say you'll reply with "Naw I dont like it" or "Not that great." So what is the point? I'd like you to list some exclusive XBox games worth buying too. I can actually name a few myself. I'd like JSRF (loved the DC version), Halo (although I much dislike playing FPS with controller since I've been a hardcore FPS on PC), and uhh.... maybe DOA3 (which was my main reason why I wanted XBox at launch, but I chickened out from some reviews on the game's medicore quality). I dont like sports games, so dont bother listing them. Kinda pointless doesnt it? I dont think XBox is a failure at all here in the states, I may get it one day when I'm through with my PS2 and GameCube (and no i didnt buy the GC for me, its my sister's bday present along with Animal Crossing), or when Halo 2 comes out, whichever comes first.

Also saying XBox is a great system cuz of its powerful hardware, is only saying I've drawn the best painting because I used the best set of $200 paint. It does not work that way. You can paint a beautiful drawing with water color, or color pencil. A system's success is in its game, just like a painting's beauty lies with its content, not the brand of paint used. I've stolen this analogy from this one site that bashed the XBox rather quite harshly, which I did not agree. XBox has its moments, and will have more, but it will not outsell, or have enough fanbase, to claim that it is superior than PS2 in terms of success. Numbers show how successful a console system is, not the sheer power of its hardware or graphically perfect games.
I am not against the system itself. I am against paying $300 for it. I like the games on ps2. who doesnt. b4 i had the box i stayed over friends houses at insane hours just to play mgs2 and GTA3. now they bore me. anything that is not a year or two old on the ps2 i probably wont count. I wanted a list to see anyg ames that i missed out on that i might want to pick up.like wwe amackdown or something

PS2 hasn't been $300 for quite a while now.
 

CripplerCrossface

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Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
I think you people have an inferiority complex trying to brag about the console you own trying to justify spending or not spending on something.
Theres games on every console I like, and I really don't give a fsck how "good" one is doing over the other in the market. Heck, as long as the prices keep going down and theres more games being made I'm happy. To each thier own.

So can we PLEASE stop w/ these god damn console threads. Do you people have some kind of personal defficiences that you have to talk about how great your console is or how bad another one is?

I dont know what u are talking aboot. This is one of the most objective console threads i have seen. I havent read a post that said x-box sucks or anyone call the ps2 a pos2. Yeah there are grat games on all consoles, but unfortunalely i dont have a couple of thousand bucks to burn on video games. btw dont use the lords name in vain


Are you reading the same thread I am? I hope I really don't have to quote people throughout this entire thread. I've already seen these three... "GC sucks", "PS2 sucks", and "X-Box sucks".
Why can't you people realize we all don't like the same games. It's not that hard.
thats when the fanboys came in and started blowing smoke
 

SOSTrooper

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Better analogy...saying the Xbox is a better system cuz of its hardware is kinda like saying this car wins the quarter mile over this car because it's faster...ie under identical conditions (rendering same title) it can move faster (it looks better, etc.) In the case of non-exclusives, hardware IS important. And the industry does seem to be moving away from exclusives.

Hardware power will prove to be important....when a system with the best hardware is also with the best selection of games. From the track record... SNES was the last system that had the best hardware AND best selection of games, but simply cuz its only competition was the Genesis. PSX slashed N64, PSX slashed DC (in terms of sales, but I thought DC had real good potential, thats why I own one), and PS2 is decapitating both XBox and GameCube. Hardware may be a factor, but as of right now, it is not important enough to make every developers to make games on XBox (because it has better hardware) rather than PS2. It could change with the next generation of console, but then again, I said the same thing when MS announced XBox to have 733MHz vs PS2's ~300MHz and GC's ~400MHz (not exactly sure their speed). Only time will tell. For this generation, hardware does not matter, and does not carry a system to success.
 

CripplerCrossface

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Originally posted by: Ganryu
Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
ganryu u have to widen your scope a little. if you are looking for just games and games only. ps2 wins hands down(right now). but for the overall package the xbox destroys the ps2, the GC and over 50% of pc's that are out there.
for a $500-$1000 invesment how much better can u get. about the only thing that the xbox doesnt do is pvr. Of course that will change

What else besides games is there? What total package? Despite what MS says, this is a GAME console. I don't need to use Xbox as anything else. The current version of Xbox can't do PVR, or playback MP3s (as far as I know, without a hack). I'mnot saying that a future version won't (and it will if Microsoft is smart), and if they release one that does at a similar price, I might buy one then. I buy a GAME console for the GAMES. If you are looking for other things, for 500-1000 dollars you can get a great system from dell (or better yet build one yourself) that will wipe the Xbox on the floor.
$500- 1000 includes 10-20 games, the system, 3 extra controllers, xbl, 120 gb hdd, mod chip, dvd contol, various cords and sh|t.just to clarify what i meant.
 

CripplerCrossface

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Originally posted by: Ganryu
Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
You got it It was in the first page. I think you or someone critiqued it too.

It is very difficult, and rather pointless, to list games for a system that you oppose. Pretty much everything I'll say you'll reply with "Naw I dont like it" or "Not that great." So what is the point? I'd like you to list some exclusive XBox games worth buying too. I can actually name a few myself. I'd like JSRF (loved the DC version), Halo (although I much dislike playing FPS with controller since I've been a hardcore FPS on PC), and uhh.... maybe DOA3 (which was my main reason why I wanted XBox at launch, but I chickened out from some reviews on the game's medicore quality). I dont like sports games, so dont bother listing them. Kinda pointless doesnt it? I dont think XBox is a failure at all here in the states, I may get it one day when I'm through with my PS2 and GameCube (and no i didnt buy the GC for me, its my sister's bday present along with Animal Crossing), or when Halo 2 comes out, whichever comes first.

Also saying XBox is a great system cuz of its powerful hardware, is only saying I've drawn the best painting because I used the best set of $200 paint. It does not work that way. You can paint a beautiful drawing with water color, or color pencil. A system's success is in its game, just like a painting's beauty lies with its content, not the brand of paint used. I've stolen this analogy from this one site that bashed the XBox rather quite harshly, which I did not agree. XBox has its moments, and will have more, but it will not outsell, or have enough fanbase, to claim that it is superior than PS2 in terms of success. Numbers show how successful a console system is, not the sheer power of its hardware or graphically perfect games.
I am not against the system itself. I am against paying $300 for it. I like the games on ps2. who doesnt. b4 i had the box i stayed over friends houses at insane hours just to play mgs2 and GTA3. now they bore me. anything that is not a year or two old on the ps2 i probably wont count. I wanted a list to see anyg ames that i missed out on that i might want to pick up.like wwe amackdown or something

PS2 hasn't been $300 for quite a while now.
another sherlock. $300= console,1 game, contolls, dvd remote, mem card, multi tap, and various cords. actually its not 300 its adding up to like $450+ tax. And I dont have an extra $500 to burn. gaming is not that serious.

 

Gunther

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Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
Originally posted by: Gunther
I have to say that I LOVE the xbox hardware and was seriously consider getting on the 2 games + xbox 199 deal, but then I realized the only games I would probably play on the xbox were sega gt and doa volleyball. The main reason being, as many people in this thread have stated, the xbox just does not have the japanese developers support, and that is why I buy console systems. I do not want to play american games like sports games and fps because that is what my computer is for. See the way I look at the pc/console situation is this
pc - american games
xbox - american games
or
pc - american games
ps2 - japanese games
I want as much coverage as possible so obviously I took the ps2. I like japanese style rpgs a lot, so that's why I favor the ps2 more. But if xbox were to get great japanese rpgs AND the gran turismo series, I would so be a xbox fanboy in a second!
Imho I really don't think the 2 are comparable because they do tailor to two separate markets. I don't see xbox getting into the rpg genre, but I do see it excelling in the fps, sports, and fighting genres. While I see the ps2 doing very well in the rpg, action, platform, and racing genres(this is SOLEY based on gt3 ). So if you really think about it I really don't see why there is so much hatred between the two consoles(users), its like a fps addict telling a rpg lover that the ps2 sucks or vice a versa... yeah that makes so much sense. So lets all just get along and if you really want the best of everything, just get both
if u can play those games on pc the more power to ya. but most people arent going to update their comps every year. People like u (/w powerful comps) prob shouldnt buy an xbox. u have no use for it.

Did you read my post?
xbox - american games
I don't see xbox getting into the rpg genre, but I do see it excelling in the fps, sports, and fighting genres
Also I have a 1.3 duron, that really isn't a powerful cpu... plus a 8500dv which is basically a castrated 8500 64mb...
 

SOSTrooper

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BTW LA Times wrote an article in the past couple of days on XBox's failure to succeed (note that I'm not saying XBox is a failure, but rather failed to succeed). They may be bias, but they did quote and research from game industry analysists. It's much more accurate than all the posts here I'm sure
 

Tallgeese

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Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
They may be bias
After reading the article, I'd have to agree
but they did quote and research from game industry analysists
Ah...analysts...fonts of wisdom, to be sure.
It's much more accurate than all the posts here I'm sure
Including yours?

Of course, they don't even mention Xbox Live, altho another piece does highlight the strong demand for PS2's network adapter. Interesting how Sony only shipped 100K of the units to the U.S. initially, even tho they are "producing 400,000 for the U.S. market" for the holiday season.

Head-to-head online play will BE the make-or-break play for MS. I've said this in numerous threads before.
 

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Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
BTW LA Times wrote an article in the past couple of days on XBox's failure to succeed (note that I'm not saying XBox is a failure, but rather failed to succeed). They may be bias, but they did quote and research from game industry analysists. It's much more accurate than all the posts here I'm sure

Failed to succeed? Microsoft has been in the console market for what? One year? Have you seen all the kick-ass titles comming out for the Xbox? They are going up against two console giants! I think they are doing a pretty respectable job of it too. Let's see where they are in another year, then we might be able to actually pass judgement.
 

SOSTrooper

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I'm sure mine arent accurate. I'm just merely stating what I think, and what I see. But I'm sure it makes a lot of sense. I've seen this happening before back with Saturn/N64/PSX 5 years ago. So I'm pretty sure and certain at what I'm talking about. I'm very active in following consoles, I attend E3 and active on IGN. So yah I know some stuff. Enough to take an argument here on anandtech against people will one eye opened
 

Tallgeese

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Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Failed to succeed? Microsoft has been in the console market for what? One year?
I think "failed to succeed" more closely describes the GC performance so far, given Nintendo's history.
 

Tallgeese

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Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
I'm very active in following consoles, I attend E3 and active on IGN.
OH NO...that's it! We've been 0wn3d by your superiority


..OOT
 

SOSTrooper

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Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
BTW LA Times wrote an article in the past couple of days on XBox's failure to succeed (note that I'm not saying XBox is a failure, but rather failed to succeed). They may be bias, but they did quote and research from game industry analysists. It's much more accurate than all the posts here I'm sure

Failed to succeed? Microsoft has been in the console market for what? One year? Have you seen all the kick-ass titles comming out for the Xbox? They are going up against two console giants! I think they are doing a pretty respectable job of it too. Let's see where they are in another year, then we might be able to actually pass judgement.

Sony's first console was a success, it had to go up against veteran Sega's own Saturn and N64 (that came out a year later) in its run, and succeeded. Micrsoft's XBox obvious did not and will not achieve that. Not for its first system, unlike Sony. So dont tell me they've succeeded, they did not overall. They maybe outselling GameCube here (which is a good job), but they did not capture the rest of the world that could've boosted the system's reputation even further. Though they did not fail either, they will only learn from it, and maybe their next generation will raise lots of eyebrows. In the mean time in U.S., PS2 is still number 1, XBox tried but did the best they could, GameCube is trailing behind. XBox will not bounce back enough to reach a respectable level of competition with PS2 even with the Live. Even PSOne outsold the XBox in September by 80,000 units. If XBox takes off in a big way with future titles, your point will be more clear.
 

SOSTrooper

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Some people (in another forum) told me when XBox launched that in a year it will outsell PS2 with better and more games. Too bad I forgot who told me that, because one year after that (now, mind you), I'm still not proven wrong just yet. In another year, we'll start this topic again in this forum, and we'll see if XBox improved over the year.
 

LXi

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It would be an outrageous to claim that XBox is a success, even though it's yet too early to call it a failure. If you want the true definition of that you've got to look at PS1. That was Sony's first attempt in the business and it made them kings. Can't imagine PS2 still selling strong in 2004? Well, neither did most people imagine PS1 still selling strong in 1999! Sony crunched every bit of juice out of PS1 and expect them to do the same with PS2. The market share MS gained was not from Sony, it was mainly from Sega's leftovers and Nintendo. No one can disagree that PS1 had incredibly strong sales, but note that PS2 is currently selling at a rate of 2.5 times the rate that PS1 was selling at. I just don't see how XBox and NGC is seriously affecting PS2's sales right now.

The XBox radicals here should open their eyes. Because the video game business doesnt evolve around the North America; in fact, what matters most is the market in Japan. Sega seized hardware production because DC couldn't sell in Japan. Nintendo lost their monopoly because they didn't have anything against the PS1 in Japan, and not even N64 could regain the crown for them. XBox's sales looks awfully bad because it couldnt sell in Japan no matter how much they cut the price and what they put in the bundle. XBox, if keeps relying on PC game ports, will not suceed in Japan because computer games to video games is David to Goliath in Japan. You can argue that both DC and XBox sold all right in the US, so who cares what goes on in Japan? But matter of fact is, success in Japan is vital for survival. It was in Japan that Sega failed, and it was in Japan that Nintendo lost. And I will bet, if XBox keeps struggling in Japan, MS might not even release XBox2 there, and thus receive less support from big-name Japanese game makers. And here is a hard truth for MS, there is very little demand for XBox outside of North America. So how good is an XBox that kicks ass on paper but doesn't go international?

Some of you argue that PS2 needed a period of time to get rolling, which is true. But XBox has already had 11 months to do that. PS2, by its 11th month, was tearing up the sales charts, both in consoles shipped and games sold. XBox's second year will be a crucial one, if it still wants to make a run at PS2 for its money, it will have to accomplish a lot more than they did in 2002, otherwise I can only imagine an unhappy ending to MS's shot in the video game market. There is no brand loyalty involved here, people simply buy the best console out there because there is just something about the PS2 that makes it that much more appealing. If brand loyalty plays such a significant role then Nintendo and Sega should never find themselves in the position they are in today. The XBox, at the current state, will not attract people who already have capable PCs, and will hardly attract true console gamers because of its PC resemblance and reliance on ports. What MS should do is try to stop treating the video game business like it's computer games. Be agressive in negotiating with the Japanese game makers, land contracts with them so that they will develop their big titles on XBox, and get them to make exclusive games for XBox. It is these Japanese game makers that will make the difference, because most US game makers are multi-platform. What's more from these Japanese makers? Diversity and games that will sell in Japan, which is key to selling the consoles in Japan, because sports and shooter games don't propel you to the top. If XBox can do those in 2003, it will pick up in the sales and popularity, because I tell you the truth, few true console gamers take the XBox seriously right now.
 

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Ps2 had no competion at its 11 month period. it had no choice but to sell like hotcakes. the xbox can not and will not die. nintendo will be the first one to pull out even with all of their exclusives and japanese support. they are going to go software only. which is better for everyone because then u dont have to pay an extra $190 to play mario. just my opinion
 

Ganryu

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Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
Originally posted by: Ganryu
Originally posted by: CripplerCrossface
Originally posted by: SOSTrooper
You got it It was in the first page. I think you or someone critiqued it too.

It is very difficult, and rather pointless, to list games for a system that you oppose. Pretty much everything I'll say you'll reply with "Naw I dont like it" or "Not that great." So what is the point? I'd like you to list some exclusive XBox games worth buying too. I can actually name a few myself. I'd like JSRF (loved the DC version), Halo (although I much dislike playing FPS with controller since I've been a hardcore FPS on PC), and uhh.... maybe DOA3 (which was my main reason why I wanted XBox at launch, but I chickened out from some reviews on the game's medicore quality). I dont like sports games, so dont bother listing them. Kinda pointless doesnt it? I dont think XBox is a failure at all here in the states, I may get it one day when I'm through with my PS2 and GameCube (and no i didnt buy the GC for me, its my sister's bday present along with Animal Crossing), or when Halo 2 comes out, whichever comes first.

Also saying XBox is a great system cuz of its powerful hardware, is only saying I've drawn the best painting because I used the best set of $200 paint. It does not work that way. You can paint a beautiful drawing with water color, or color pencil. A system's success is in its game, just like a painting's beauty lies with its content, not the brand of paint used. I've stolen this analogy from this one site that bashed the XBox rather quite harshly, which I did not agree. XBox has its moments, and will have more, but it will not outsell, or have enough fanbase, to claim that it is superior than PS2 in terms of success. Numbers show how successful a console system is, not the sheer power of its hardware or graphically perfect games.
I am not against the system itself. I am against paying $300 for it. I like the games on ps2. who doesnt. b4 i had the box i stayed over friends houses at insane hours just to play mgs2 and GTA3. now they bore me. anything that is not a year or two old on the ps2 i probably wont count. I wanted a list to see anyg ames that i missed out on that i might want to pick up.like wwe amackdown or something

PS2 hasn't been $300 for quite a while now.
another sherlock. $300= console,1 game, contolls, dvd remote, mem card, multi tap, and various cords. actually its not 300 its adding up to like $450+ tax. And I dont have an extra $500 to burn. gaming is not that serious.

No need to insult me. Since you said that you don't want to be $300 for the system, I interpreted that as just the console.
 

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i wasnt trying to insult you. i had said no sh|t sherlock to someone earlier and i didnt feel like typing that again. I could have taken the fact that u thought i thought the ps2 was $300 as an insult but i wasnt clear on my statement.
 

LXi

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<<Ps2 had no competion at its 11 month period. it had no choice but to sell like hotcakes.>>

Can the same be said about PS1? Did the video game newcomer tore up sales charts because there was no competition!?? Some times you need to defy traditional logic; PS1 was able to do it in spite of an overwhelmingly dominant Nintendo , XBox was not, and so it will not enjoy the success level that Sony had enjoyed.


<<the xbox can not and will not die.>>

Optimistically speaking... if they do go down, I'd at least like to see them put up a good fight like Sega did.


<<nintendo will be the first one to pull out even with all of their exclusives and japanese support. they are going to go software only. which is better for everyone because then u dont have to pay an extra $190 to play mario. just my opinion>>

I don't see Nintendo pulling out first, in fact, I don't see anyone going away at least for the next three years. And overall, NGC has had better success around the world than XBox had. It just makes little sense to me that the maker of the hot selling GBA will go software-only.
 

CripplerCrossface

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Originally posted by: LXi
<<Ps2 had no competion at its 11 month period. it had no choice but to sell like hotcakes.>>

Can the same be said about PS1? Did the video game newcomer tore up sales charts because there was no competition!?? Some times you need to defy traditional logic; PS1 was able to do it in spite of an overwhelmingly dominant Nintendo , XBox was not, and so it will not enjoy the success level that Sony had enjoyed.


<<the xbox can not and will not die.>>

Optimistically speaking... if they do go down, I'd at least like to see them put up a good fight like Sega did.


<<nintendo will be the first one to pull out even with all of their exclusives and japanese support. they are going to go software only. which is better for everyone because then u dont have to pay an extra $190 to play mario. just my opinion>>

I don't see Nintendo pulling out first, in fact, I don't see anyone going away at least for the next three years. And overall, NGC has had better success around the world than XBox had. It just makes little sense to me that the maker of the hot selling GBA will go software-only.
with microsofts backing the xbox cant die. unless billy wants to renig.
nintendo would be better off doiung software. Its expensive to come up with new hardware with r&d and the like. plus we are at an age where consoles are sold at a loss. with gc being in third place what is the point of them continuing making hardware?

They of course will continue to dominate the portable market but their stronghold on the consoles was lost years ago. its time for them to go out on a high(profit) note.
 
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