XBox One w/o Kinect for $400

[railven]

Yes, but that's not the real point here, we're discussing the compelling features of one console over the other. Part of the matter with that is Microsoft has a computer OS and Sony doesn't. I imagine if Sony had a PC OS, Uncharted would find its way there, just as Project Spark and Halo: Spartan Assault (along with the first 2 Halo titles and the first Gears) made it to Windows.

What? It has more to do with the majority of "must have games" that have graced Xbox have been by third party devs/publishers that when given the chance ported to PC. It has gotten to the point if MSFT doesn't flat out own the IP, it will most likely get a PC version. Sony has yet to have a single IP they own grace PC.

Even if Microsoft's console exclusives make it to PC, it's not like that's an incentive to buy a PS4, because it doesn't change the fact that a big number of exclusives for them comes from indie titles, which really aren't console-sellers.

But it's less of an incentive to buy an Xbone. Which if you haven't noticed, they are probably not meeting the numbers they expected. Gears 1 was only on X360 for a few months. Titanfall came out along side PC. You might not think this matters, but the hardcore gamer is normally a multiplatform owner.

And, heck, a lot of those indie titles are on PC...a Microsoft platform, so the story doesn't really change. Sony's building its "console-exclusive" list with games Microsoft offers via PC (even if Steam's the real distributor), so take those away the same you take Titanfall, Halo: Spartan Assault, Garden Warfare, and Project Spark, and I imagine that you get a similarly-large drop in "true exclusives" from Sony.

What ever makes you feel better. Ironically you contradict yourself in a single post. Good job

In a forum built around technology, acting like someone has a PC shouldn't be far-fetch.

 

[Skel]

The top brass is scared that MSFT will sell/spin them off, if sales don't improve. It's do or die time for the entire division.

Source? The only people I've ever heard talking about this were market analysts that would come up with dream scenarios on how to increase stock price.

 

[dguy6789]

So now it's just a weaker Playstation for the same price.

Troll much? Nobody older than 13 has cared how powerful a game console was since the 16 bit era. PS3 was weaker and more expensive than the 360 the entire last gen.

Xbox has Xbox Live and plenty of exclusives you can't get anywhere else, that's they reason to get one.

 

[toughtrasher]

Troll much? Nobody older than 13 has cared how powerful a game console was since the 16 bit era. PS3 was weaker and more expensive than the 360 the entire last gen.

Xbox has Xbox Live and plenty of exclusives you can't get anywhere else, that's they reason to get one.

I'm not trolling, but why is Live a reason to get an Xbox one?

 

[blurredvision]

I'm not trolling, but why is Live a reason to get an Xbox one?

Dedicated servers and generally rock-solid speed and reliability. PSN deservedly got a bad rap during it's beginning to mid-late PS3 days because it generally sucked....it was slow and missing features. I haven't really used PSN any in the past 3-4 years but it sounds as if it's gotten a lot better. However, when it was bad, it was bad, and its reputation from then is still going strong now.

 

[zerocool84]

Article on The Verge was talking about how they could now potentially free up some processing power that they reserved for Kinect which would obviously mean that they could use that for games which is a good thing.

 

[Bman123]

So I can get rid of this kinect and get something for it because I never use the damn thing

 

[Wingznut]

So I can get rid of this kinect and get something for it because I never use the damn thing

They are selling on eBay from $75 to $100.

 

[Maverickbcp]

There's no way they'd drop the Xbox One to $299 for many years. Besides all the arguments why it's not a system that should be sold at 3/4 the PS4 price, lowering it like that tells the average Joe the PS4 is THAT much better of a system. The main people buying these systems see two different brands and their exclusives. They could care less about what's under the hood. Pricing the Xbox One that much lower would lose them that much more $ per system and they'd lose the people who see the PS4 as "Must be worth more cause it costs more".

 

[Lil Frier]

they'd lose the people who see the PS4 as "Must be worth more cause it costs more".

That concept worked wonders for the Xbox One at $500...and the PS3 at $600...

 

[Lil Frier]

Article on The Verge was talking about how they could now potentially free up some processing power that they reserved for Kinect which would obviously mean that they could use that for games which is a good thing.

I don't see how this allows for that. How would the console react if the Kinect WAS plugged in? That was a task always planned from the start, to decrease the alleged 10% GPU footprint of the OS/Kinect. This isn't a solution to that, because the Kinect still exists and uses resources as it always has, so unless they totally abolished the thing from the system permanently, improving the coding is the only solution, and they mentioned a plan to do that months ago, if I remember correctly.

 

[Bman123]

Its funny to see this. Microsoft messed up making you get the kinect if they would of done this at launch they would be neck and neck with the ps4 right now

 

[Dumac]

Troll much? Nobody older than 13 has cared how powerful a game console was since the 16 bit era. PS3 was weaker and more expensive than the 360 the entire last gen.

And people brought up the performance of the PS3 the entire generation.

I honestly think both consoles are a bit sad. They can't even do 1080p OR 60fps for most games? Wtf?

Xbox has Xbox Live and plenty of exclusives you can't get anywhere else, that's they reason to get one.

Plenty? I don't know if I'd say that...

 

[brokEN2]

And people brought up the performance of the PS3 the entire generation.

I honestly think both consoles are a bit sad. They can't even do 1080p OR 60fps for most games? Wtf?



Plenty? I don't know if I'd say that...

Im with you 100% on that the consoles are sad! We should never have to see an article for this generation whether or not a game runs at 1080p and 60fps as it should be a given that it will. They really should of waited another year or so to release these consoles.

 

[exdeath]

Tales of Xillia 2 is going to run really awesome on my PC at 4k....

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Its funny to see this. Microsoft messed up making you get the kinect if they would of done this at launch they would be neck and neck with the ps4 right now

I am laughing right now for sure. And not about Kinect, but about Netflix and the rest of the streaming services being removed from XBL Gold. It was incredibly dumb to have that kind of restriction and it should've been removed years ago. But yeah, the Xbox One has been bungled from the start and it is funny seeing MS squirm.

 

[Lil Frier]

Its funny to see this. Microsoft messed up making you get the kinect if they would of done this at launch they would be neck and neck with the ps4 right now

The Kinect didn't cost them 1 million+ sales. Heck, even if they had all of these things at launch, they'd probably still be losing because of the resolution crying, though it might only be by about 500,000.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The Kinect didn't cost them 1 million+ sales. Heck, even if they had all of these things at launch, they'd probably still be losing because of the resolution crying, though it might only be by about 500,000.

It's not resolution crying. It's more than that. They have still never gotten the monkey off their back on their proposed DRM BS. Even with the changes, they lost people...some of them forever. Some fervent Xbox fans from before now won't buy a MS console.

Sony will always have the momentum on their side because people will say "hey there's more people buying the PS4, that looks like the one to get I guess."

 

[cmdrdredd]

F&@k you Microsoft. I preordered your console 6 months in advance to get a Day One Edition. With no game. Then you drop the price $50 AND give away Titanfall for free with the console. Now no kinect (with I don't use) and down to $399. The only game I won't buy for my PS4 instead will be the next Halo.

End of rant

Lol...I'm not upset but I can see that angle for people who may feel burned.

 

[AstroManLuca]

F&@k you Microsoft. I preordered your console 6 months in advance to get a Day One Edition. With no game. Then you drop the price $50 AND give away Titanfall for free with the console. Now no kinect (with I don't use) and down to $399. The only game I won't buy for my PS4 instead will be the next Halo.

End of rant

LOL what did you expect when you bought a game console at launch?

Being an early adopter generally sucks, and it pisses me off that people do it anyway and then bitch about the price dropping later. It's not like you couldn't see this coming (not the Kinect thing, but price drops + bundled games? It happens all the time!).

 

[cmdrdredd]

LOL what did you expect when you bought a game console at launch?

Being an early adopter generally sucks, and it pisses me off that people do it anyway and then bitch about the price dropping later. It's not like you couldn't see this coming (not the Kinect thing, but price drops + bundled games? It happens all the time!).

We didn't expect though...that two of the games that people actually bought the console for would come free.

 

[Lil Frier]

It's not resolution crying. It's more than that. They have still never gotten the monkey off their back on their proposed DRM BS. Even with the changes, they lost people...some of them forever. Some fervent Xbox fans from before now won't buy a MS console.

Sony will always have the momentum on their side because people will say "hey there's more people buying the PS4, that looks like the one to get I guess."

Of course, but what I was saying is that if the June 9th's reality was the initial reality, Microsoft would still be trailing (though not by a lot). The hardware's less-powerful, and their indie game was still sketchy and is to this day. Sony was basically winning the second-half of last generation, it seemed like they would have had the favorable momentum this generation unless Microsoft actually BEAT them.

 

[AstroManLuca]

This is interesting. In the wake of the announcement that Netflix and other streaming apps will be coming out from behind the paywall, you will be able to cancel your Xbox Live Gold membership and MS will give you a prorated refund for the remaining time:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ng-to-refund-your-xbox-live-gold-subscription

Only applies if you buy a membership before the paywall-removal update goes live, also could take some time to process. But if anyone out there is paying for Gold solely for streaming services (or is just looking for an out), you can get some of your money back.

Seems like they're really going all out to get people interested in them and try to build goodwill.

 

[Lil Frier]

Yeah, though if people actually bought the One just for streaming, I'd have to ask why those people wouldn't just save $300 and get a 360 or PS3.

 

[AstroManLuca]

It also applies to 360 owners though.

And yeah it's dumb to buy a $200 video game system (or a $500 one!) in order to stream Netflix when it's behind a further paywall that doesn't apply to anything else. I suppose it could apply to people who used to play games but don't anymore, but have kept their subscription just for Netflix and don't have half a dozen other Netflix devices sitting around.

At any rate, it looks like they're just throwing people a bone... I don't expect a huge number of people to take advantage of it but maybe a few will.