The BD project had begun during a time when AMD focused on their growing and high margin server CPU segment based on Opteron's success. This strategy didn't work out after the focused target started to move.
The BD project had begun during a time when AMD focused on their growing and high margin server CPU segment based on Opteron's success. This strategy didn't work out after the focused target started to move.It was simply a bad move by the top to try compete with "moar cores". Something Rory is changing. But engineering is simply following orders.
Okay, but if the same sort of SIMDs are similarly sized between the two you don't think that says something about density
How did you come to that conclusion that 8C is half of AMDs AM3+ shipments?
I dont think it changed much the last year in terms of percentage distribution in the desktop segment:
http://www.techpowerup.com/175751/apus-make-up-nearly-75-of-amds-processor-sales.html
And volume have dropped dramaticly since. Not to mention transistion from desktop to mobile.
You seem to confuse what you want, and what a big enough consumer base wants. Not to mention what you want without paying for it. A classic mistake. You can buy an Intel 6C today, soon a 22nm one.
Everyone wants their exact thing. And AMD and Intel could make 10000 different CPU models. And you would still find someone who nags over their exact dream CPU is not created. or that the price is too high because they feel entitled for something cheaper.
It honestly baffles me to the suggestions people make as to processors they think should be released. I guess because I'm not as much as a tech enthusiast as I used to be, but I can't see one good business reason why any of these supposed designs would be a good idea. It would be GREAT, for a tech enthusiast, but business sense it'd be hilariously bad.
For 99% of users, a 4770k is godly fast. People would be happy with it clocked at 2.2 Ghz even. People on here forget about moms, kids, girlfriends, etc. who use PCs. The MAJORITY of the PC userbase can't tell you even what is in their PC. Even people I know who are capable of building a computer have 0 clue what is in it their PC while I can probably tell you what my 8 year old build has in it.
Companies are always going to cater to the largest consumer base possible, and that is the mobile sector. It's not going to get better choices wise for Desktop. Soon desktop processors will just be an afterthought.
You know a lot of that can be explained by the stagnation of the high-end. Desktop PC's are only "good enough" because software stagnated. The reason software stagnated was because that's what happens in a monopoly, when you have one company dictating the progress of the industry.
Nobody is writing software for 6 or more cores because there is so little demand. Shintai has is backwards however, the reason there is so little demand is because the price ensures it is a very small market by default.
As far as business sense goes, I'm sure Intel would love to be back to 2-3 years ago when the traditional PC industry wasn't falling apart. You know the real reason why tablets and phones are catching up? It's because traditional PC's have gone nowhere in years.
Desktop PC's are only "good enough" because software stagnated. The reason software stagnated was because that's what happens in a monopoly, when you have one company dictating the progress of the industry.
Nobody is writing software for 6 or more cores because there is so little demand.
Instead of using them one at a time like a simpleton. I would get four monitors and use word, facebook, farmville, and youtube all at the same effectively using all six cores. 4 for each application, 1 for the OS, 1 for the GPU, etc.BS. Then tell me how you would improve Word, facebook, farmville and youtube to make use of 6 cores in a meaningful way.
It has nothing to do with that. Simply all the things the average user needs to do can be done easily on a low powered CPU. There is no 'new big thing' (word processing, modern GIU, internet, video streaming) that requires a lot of computational grunt that the average user would do besides gaming (and as a percentage of PC users gaming is pretty small).
The tablet/mobile sector also is holding us back as many things must be cross compatible with devices with a lot less power.
Instead of using them one at a time like a simpleton. I would get four monitors and use word, facebook, farmville, and youtube all at the same effectively using all six cores. 4 for each application, 1 for the OS, 1 for the GPU, etc.
You seem to confuse what you want, and what a big enough consumer base wants. Not to mention what you want without paying for it. A classic mistake. You can buy an Intel 6C today, soon a 22nm one.
Everyone wants their exact thing. And AMD and Intel could make 10000 different CPU models. And you would still find someone who nags over their exact dream CPU is not created. or that the price is too high because they feel entitled for something cheaper.
As usual you are putting words in my mouth. I'm not discussing what I personally want, but what could be reasonable to expect in general based on production cost, consumer demand, technological development etc.
Also, let's say that Intel decided to price all 4C CPUs at 5x the price of the 2C CPUs, not because they were 5x more expensive to produce but due to e.g. market decisions, avoiding cannibalization of other products, or similar. Then basically the nobody would buy any 4C CPUs. Would you say that there was no demand for 4C CPUs then, and that the consumers were happy with 2C CPUs only?
You know a lot of that can be explained by the stagnation of the high-end. Desktop PC's are only "good enough" because software stagnated. The reason software stagnated was because that's what happens in a monopoly, when you have one company dictating the progress of the industry.
Nobody is writing software for 6 or more cores because there is so little demand. Shintai has is backwards however, the reason there is so little demand is because the price ensures it is a very small market by default.
As far as business sense goes, I'm sure Intel would love to be back to 2-3 years ago when the traditional PC industry wasn't falling apart. You know the real reason why tablets and phones are catching up? It's because traditional PC's have gone nowhere in years.
Ok, I'll give it a shot at bringing the thread back to its original topic:
Do you think it will be possible to provide a cooling solution for the XBONE SoC so that the XBONE becomes more or less silent? Someone estimated the SoC TDP to 100W before, and the unit is physically quite small...