Just FYI, I purchased one of the refurbished units from buy.com about two weeks ago. When I opened the box, I found that cosmetically the unit was fine, but it came with the older controller instead of a Controller S. It ran fine for the first few days, but then started shutting itself off randomly. It's back there now and I'm awaiting a refund, but FWIW, I guess Microsoft didn't quite get out the bugs worked out on this refurb. I'm just going for a new unit - I don't mind the cost - the biggest annoyance was losing all my progress on games.