Xbox Series X

[LikeLinus]

I've bought multiple games at launch that I simply did not like and ended up selling them. That is not possible with digital games.

GamePass / GamePass Ultimate. Available launch day access to games and you're paying a monthly fee which includes Live Gold, Cloud Gaming, PC games and so on. No need to pay $60 for every game. If you don't like it, delete it.

Xbox Game Pass Ultimate now includes EA Play — free

Almost 100 EA titles join Game Pass’ library, for no extra charge

www.polygon.com

EA Play joined GamePass and is including 100 games. Hell, if EA is joining GamePass, that's a big deal. You know how EA is...

Obviously all of ZeniMax/Bethesda is going to be on GP as well. Includes games Doom, Rage, Fallout, Wolfenstein, The Evil Within, The Elder Scrolls, Dishonored, Prey and more.

 

[purbeast0]

GamePass / GamePass Ultimate. Available launch day access to games and you're paying a monthly fee which includes Live Gold, Cloud Gaming, PC games and so on. No need to pay $60 for every game. If you don't like it, delete it.

Xbox Game Pass Ultimate now includes EA Play — free

Almost 100 EA titles join Game Pass’ library, for no extra charge

www.polygon.com

EA Play joined GamePass and is including 100 games. Hell, if EA is joining GamePass, that's a big deal. You know how EA is...

Obviously all of ZeniMax/Bethesda is going to be on GP as well. Includes games Doom, Rage, Fallout, Wolfenstein, The Evil Within, The Elder Scrolls, Dishonored, Prey and more.

No clue why you quoted me with that reply.

A subscription fee that includes access to 99% of games I don't give a crap about has nothing to do with purchasing games physically that I can sell if I don't like.

 

[LikeLinus]

No clue why you quoted me with that reply.

A subscription fee that includes access to 99% of games I don't give a crap about has nothing to do with purchasing games physically that I can sell if I don't like.

You said "can't do that with digital games". The point was, you don't need to if you are on Gamepass. You can instantly download games and if you don't like it, you're not out $60 or whatever loss you take on re-selling. Plus it's a huge library that is growing.

 

[purbeast0]

You said "can't do that with digital games". The point was, you don't need to if you are on Gamepass. You can instantly download games and if you don't like it, you're not out $60 or whatever loss you take on re-selling. Plus it's a huge library that is growing.

Yeah a library that is 100% games I won't play until a new release comes out that I do care about.

IE, a waste of money.

That service still doesn't let me purchase a game digitally and sell it if I don't like it so still it isn't the same thing.

I also don't want to rent games I want to own them so I will never support a subscription service for gaming.

 

[simas]

You said "can't do that with digital games". The point was, you don't need to if you are on Gamepass. You can instantly download games and if you don't like it, you're not out $60 or whatever loss you take on re-selling. Plus it's a huge library that is growing.

The problem is that these monthly fees add up to pretty high total cost of 'ownership'. What is it now - $15/month? how many years you are planning to subscribe and/or keep your Microsoft console? what is it in dollars that you are paying them out to rent out their catalog?? how much time do you truly have (in between other life, family, work commitments)? does it worth it?

when I run these in my mind, I am not sure Gamepass is worth is. I do understand why companies want it as it is high margin profit to them (Netflix model), same reason why Amazon would give you Fire devices pretty much as BOM costs to keep you subscribed to Prime, mined for price optimizations (dynamic pricing, if they think you are more likely to buy it -> your price just went up based on what they know about you), subscriptions to their kids programs service ,etc. Google is the same way, they want to charge for you (selling your data to 'optimize your search') , for your music, for your TV, for your cell phone (google fi charges $10 per GB which is multiple times what other virtual operators charge). Google will happily sell or even send you their listening devices to your house so they can mine, mine, mine you. Now Microsoft wants to be in the same game of selling you on everything monthly (from their office subscriptions ,to gaming subs, to anything else every other player is doing).

If I know I have many be an hour or two at most, once or twice a week and if I also know my local library checks out the console games, what value is the 'digital edition only' to me and/or $200 a year game rental subscription?

 

[Skel]

90% of this thread is people trying to convince purbeast0 to like something he obviously doesn't, and won't ever. I'm not sure which is odder; people trying to convince him, or the fact he keeps responding to every post.

 

[LikeLinus]

The problem is that these monthly fees add up to pretty high total cost of 'ownership'. What is it now - $15/month? how many years you are planning to subscribe and/or keep your Microsoft console? what is it in dollars that you are paying them out to rent out their catalog?? how much time do you truly have (in between other life, family, work commitments)? does it worth it?

Right now you can max out your Xbox Live Gold for 3 years at $50 a year. Then you can convert that Live Gold account to an Ultimate Gamepass for $1. So I have 3 years of Ultimate Gamepass for 3 years for the cost of Live Gold.

The bigger picture is long term. MS stopped selling the 1yr Live Gold subscription and it's a bit up in the air what they are doing moving forward. It may all change over to Gamepass w/ Xbox Live Gold.

Gamepass itself is $9.99 a month. It's $14.99 for the Ultimate. Xbox Live Gold is $60 a year; or $5 a month if you buy a full year subscription. You are paying an extra $120 a year for Ultimate vs. Live Gold. That's a total cost of two whole games a year. But it also includes Cloud Gaming, PC Games and the full Gamepass library.

 

[quikah]

I don't see a point in debating gamepass value. Either you find value in it or you don't. There are plenty of great games in it, but if you would rather own them then it is not for you. If you don't have time or the desire to play a lot of different games then not for you.

When I was younger I mostly just played competitive multiplayer games like CoD and BF, gamepass would probably be a waste then as I only play a few games a year. These days I play a lot more diverse array of games, so it is a good fit for me. To each there own.

 

[cmdrdredd]

You said "can't do that with digital games". The point was, you don't need to if you are on Gamepass. You can instantly download games and if you don't like it, you're not out $60 or whatever loss you take on re-selling. Plus it's a huge library that is growing.

Not every game is going to be on game pass. There will be a ton of 3rd party games not on the service.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The problem is that these monthly fees add up to pretty high total cost of 'ownership'. What is it now - $15/month? how many years you are planning to subscribe and/or keep your Microsoft console? what is it in dollars that you are paying them out to rent out their catalog?? how much time do you truly have (in between other life, family, work commitments)? does it worth it?

when I run these in my mind, I am not sure Gamepass is worth is. I do understand why companies want it as it is high margin profit to them (Netflix model), same reason why Amazon would give you Fire devices pretty much as BOM costs to keep you subscribed to Prime, mined for price optimizations (dynamic pricing, if they think you are more likely to buy it -> your price just went up based on what they know about you), subscriptions to their kids programs service ,etc. Google is the same way, they want to charge for you (selling your data to 'optimize your search') , for your music, for your TV, for your cell phone (google fi charges $10 per GB which is multiple times what other virtual operators charge). Google will happily sell or even send you their listening devices to your house so they can mine, mine, mine you. Now Microsoft wants to be in the same game of selling you on everything monthly (from their office subscriptions ,to gaming subs, to anything else every other player is doing).

If I know I have many be an hour or two at most, once or twice a week and if I also know my local library checks out the console games, what value is the 'digital edition only' to me and/or $200 a year game rental subscription?

Game the system. Buy 3 years of XBL Gold and add to your account. Sign up for game pass at $1 and it will give you 3 years of game pass. Game pass includes XBL Gold so I think eventually you won’t subscribe to XBL Gold, just game pass.

 

[simas]

Right now you can max out your Xbox Live Gold for 3 years at $50 a year. Then you can convert that Live Gold account to an Ultimate Gamepass for $1. So I have 3 years of Ultimate Gamepass for 3 years for the cost of Live Gold.

The bigger picture is long term. MS stopped selling the 1yr Live Gold subscription and it's a bit up in the air what they are doing moving forward. It may all change over to Gamepass w/ Xbox Live Gold.

Gamepass itself is $9.99 a month. It's $14.99 for the Ultimate. Xbox Live Gold is $60 a year; or $5 a month if you buy a full year subscription. You are paying an extra $120 a year for Ultimate vs. Live Gold. That's a total cost of two whole games a year. But it also includes Cloud Gaming, PC Games and the full Gamepass library.

Thank you . so buy Xbox live gold for next 3 years on your xbox account, sign up for gamepass and it gives you the version that has xbox and pc together , correct? or just the xbox gamepass ?

 

[purbeast0]

Thank you . so buy Xbox live gold for next 3 years on your xbox account, sign up for gamepass and it gives you the version that has xbox and pc together , correct? or just the xbox gamepass ?

There is only one version of gamepass.

EDIT:

I was referring to one version of Ultimate.

More info below.

Join Xbox Game Pass: Discover Your Next Favorite Game | Xbox

Play hundreds of high-quality games all for one low monthly price.

www.xbox.com

 

[cmdrdredd]

Thank you . so buy Xbox live gold for next 3 years on your xbox account, sign up for gamepass and it gives you the version that has xbox and pc together , correct? or just the xbox gamepass ?

It give you ultimate which includes Xbox live gold and the access to pc games and when ea access is available, you get that too.

 

[LikeLinus]

Thank you . so buy Xbox live gold for next 3 years on your xbox account, sign up for gamepass and it gives you the version that has xbox and pc together , correct? or just the xbox gamepass ?

I do not know if the offer is still active, but I suspect so since the articles linked below are from less than a month ago. If you have Xbox Live Gold, you can go to the Ultimate Gamepass page on your Xbox account and it gave an option to change your Xbox Live Gold account to Ultimate for the length left on your Gold account, up to 36 months. So I had just ran out of Live Gold and I purchased (3) years worth of Live Gold, added them to my account and then activated the $1 offer.

Xbox Game Pass Ultimate tip: Get 2 years of access for dirt cheap

Currently, Xbox Game Pass Ultimate costs $17 per month. But with this trick, you can get it at over 50 percent off for up to two years.

www.pcworld.com

Dealmaster: You can still convert 3 years of Xbox Live to Game Pass Ultimate for $1

Plus Prime-only deals on a bunch of Amazon devices, Xbox One gamepads, and more.

arstechnica.com

 

[LikeLinus]

Not every game is going to be on game pass. There will be a ton of 3rd party games not on the service.

Yep, I realize that, but as mentioned, EA is now signed on and I suspect others will follow. Either way, it almost pays for itself if you buy Madden every year or such. Certainly not saying it's for everyone, but it's a great option.

Personally, I'm not hung up on owning a disc or needing something physical. I know the night I signed up for Ultimate, my wife and youngest downloaded like 10 games, lol. It's already paid for itself right there. Is it going to please all those people who hate 99% of games? Nope, but long term, I think the library will grown and digital is only going to grow. I'm fine with that though. I have fiber and I'm actually trying to get a PS5 Digital.

 

[beastykato]

Yeah, I agree that Game Pass is an amazing price. Assuming it doesn't see some massive price increases after they start leveling off on subscriber base.

I am a person that buys physical copies of games whenever I can. I still to this day prefer physical. I have myself and 2 kids who play games. So, sharing a physical disc for single player games is a massive incentive. The game sharing features on xbox and psn leave A LOT to be desired and it's not feasible for me to share with both kids systems at the same time. So, I totally understand the desire to "own" games... but...

With that said, we have game pass ultimate and it's amazing. We got it for the $1 price for 3 years which makes it an absolutely stellar value. We have not purchased a game for over a year now because of it.

Financially, I just don't see how anyone has a rebuttal to it. As others have said its literally the price of 2 new games a year. Even if you don't play every month, or if you're busy and don't maximize the value, there is simply no better value that even approaches what GP brings to the table.

9 outta 10 games seem to end up on game pass and if by chance one doesn't you simply have to buy that one game. Not only that I've tried many good games I'd have never bought otherwise, like Ori and the Blind Forest. I'd have never purchased that game on my own because it's outside my normal genre and now I've played the sequel as well for no additional cost. And now we will get all the EA games and Bethesda games too, so its value became even greater.

With 2 kids this will save me thousands of dollars and even if I was single I still don't see how it doesn't make sense. If you prefer physical or want to wait 3 years for a game for the sub $10 game deals by all means go ahead, but I think you're fooling yourself financially.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yep, I realize that, but as mentioned, EA is now signed on and I suspect others will follow. Either way, it almost pays for itself if you buy Madden every year or such. Certainly not saying it's for everyone, but it's a great option.

Personally, I'm not hung up on owning a disc or needing something physical. I know the night I signed up for Ultimate, my wife and youngest downloaded like 10 games, lol. It's already paid for itself right there. Is it going to please all those people who hate 99% of games? Nope, but long term, I think the library will grown and digital is only going to grow. I'm fine with that though. I have fiber and I'm actually trying to get a PS5 Digital.

I’ve been a long time PC gamer so I am ok with digital. Though I Ike having the disc for my games and movies if the option is there. It doesn’t kill me if it isn’t available.

The thing is that some games I want right away and have to buy them. I’m unwilling to wait for “maybe it will be on game pass”. Like Yakuza like a Dragon and AC Valhalla.

 

[piokos]

I’ve been a long time PC gamer so I am ok with digital. Though I Ike having the disc for my games and movies if the option is there. It doesn’t kill me if it isn’t available.

The thing is that some games I want right away and have to buy them. I’m unwilling to wait for “maybe it will be on game pass”. Like Yakuza like a Dragon and AC Valhalla.

But you want to own them right away or play them?

Because AC Valhalla is also on my list, but so is TES VI, BG 3. And these are all pretty long games. I'm sure I'll get all of them, but I have no need to buy at launch.
BG 3 launches today, but it'll be months before I have time.
And I still have a big backlog of titles that I want to try.

90% of this thread is people trying to convince purbeast0 to like something he obviously doesn't, and won't ever. I'm not sure which is odder; people trying to convince him, or the fact he keeps responding to every post.

From a perspective of someone who "tries to convince him", it's not that bad. It's a pretty normal (frequency-wise ) discussion.
But yeah, he's battling on many fronts, so it must be pretty exhausting for him.

Also, I don't think "convince" is the right word. You go to a forum, you see someone saying obvious BS and you react. That's pretty much how computer forums have worked for at least last 2 decades. It's mostly about killing time, not sharing wisdom.

 

[quikah]

Yep, I realize that, but as mentioned, EA is now signed on and I suspect others will follow. Either way, it almost pays for itself if you buy Madden every year or such. Certainly not saying it's for everyone, but it's a great option.

EA Play only gets 10hr of select new releases. You can get the previous years game. Someone that buys one of the sports games every year would only benefit from the 10% discount that EA Play gives.

 

[simas]

Right now you can max out your Xbox Live Gold for 3 years at $50 a year. Then you can convert that Live Gold account to an Ultimate Gamepass for $1. So I have 3 years of Ultimate Gamepass for 3 years for the cost of Live Gold.

The bigger picture is long term. MS stopped selling the 1yr Live Gold subscription and it's a bit up in the air what they are doing moving forward. It may all change over to Gamepass w/ Xbox Live Gold.

Gamepass itself is $9.99 a month. It's $14.99 for the Ultimate. Xbox Live Gold is $60 a year; or $5 a month if you buy a full year subscription. You are paying an extra $120 a year for Ultimate vs. Live Gold. That's a total cost of two whole games a year. But it also includes Cloud Gaming, PC Games and the full Gamepass library.

In terms of public service announcement- I was not able to able to add all 3 years of Xbox Live Gold subscription to my account (that had no subscription before). I was able to add two and then got 'You've reached the limit of how far you can extend a subscription. Hold of on extending right now" . May be useful to someone else..

 

[LikeLinus]

In terms of public service announcement- I was not able to able to add all 3 years of Xbox Live Gold subscription to my account (that had no subscription before). I was able to add two and then got 'You've reached the limit of how far you can extend a subscription. Hold of on extending right now" . May be useful to someone else..

"You've reached the limit of how far you can extend a subscription." That generally means you've gone past 36 total months. What does it now say is the expiration on your Live Gold?

 

[simas]

"You've reached the limit of how far you can extend a subscription." That generally means you've gone past 36 total months. What does it now say is the expiration on your Live Gold?

two years from now -10/5/2022.
Could it be possible that Live Gold maximum have been changed?

I will try to activate again in a week and in a month to see if it would work

 

[LikeLinus]

two years from now -10/5/2022.
Could it be possible that Live Gold maximum have been changed?

I will try to activate again in a week and in a month to see if it would work

It could be. That's why I mentioned I wasn't sure. It tells you when you are on the page.

Did you already change your account from Live Gold to Ultimate? Once you do that, you can't get the same value for the Gold card.

 

[cmdrdredd]

But you want to own them right away or play them?

Because AC Valhalla is also on my list, but so is TES VI, BG 3. And these are all pretty long games. I'm sure I'll get all of them, but I have no need to buy at launch.
BG 3 launches today, but it'll be months before I have time.
And I still have a big backlog of titles that I want to try.

From a perspective of someone who "tries to convince him", it's not that bad. It's a pretty normal (frequency-wise ) discussion.
But yeah, he's battling on many fronts, so it must be pretty exhausting for him.

Also, I don't think "convince" is the right word. You go to a forum, you see someone saying obvious BS and you react. That's pretty much how computer forums have worked for at least last 2 decades. It's mostly about killing time, not sharing wisdom.

I tend to play one thing at a time really. I’ll have one title I focus on and play nearly every day until completion.

Some of the impressions from baldur’s gate 3 were not that great so I’m not necessarily too interested.

 

[simas]

It could be. That's why I mentioned I was sure. It tells you when you are on the page.

Did you already change your account from Live Gold to Ultimate? Once you do that, you can't get the same value for the Gold card.

No. only Live Gold - i want to apply a third year before I do any switches.