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ultimatebob

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That XCloud streaming service might come in handy for people who still own Xbox One S and Xbox One X systems and still want to play the Xbox Series X optimized titles. Since those consoles support 4K display output, they should (in theory) be able to work as a 4K cloud streaming system.

Of course, this also assumes that XCloud works better than Google Stadia or Amazon Luna does. Those were some pretty horrid gaming experiences when I tried them on my gaming PC.
 

cmdrdredd

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This is not going to be a replacement for a console. It will probably be a complementary system and more for casual gaming/gamers. They know that latency is a problem.
 

purbeast0

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This is not going to be a replacement for a console. It will probably be a complementary system and more for casual gaming/gamers. They know that latency is a problem.
Yeah that is what I see it doing too. I mean if you can get people with a smart TV who wouldn't purchase a $500 console, to pay you $15/month to play the same exact games but streaming, then good for them.
 

JPB

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Yeah that is what I see it doing too. I mean if you can get people with a smart TV who wouldn't purchase a $500 console, to pay you $15/month to play the same exact games but streaming, then good for them.
How would that work exactly though ? I mean, would the graphics be downgraded any since there is no dedicated console on the consumer end ? Or would it still be the same ? I have never paid streaming any attention at all. I am sort of oblivious to it. Or would the TV process it ?
 

ultimatebob

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How would that work exactly though ? I mean, would the graphics be downgraded any since there is no dedicated console on the consumer end ? Or would it still be the same ? I have never paid streaming any attention at all. I am sort of oblivious to it. Or would the TV process it ?

All the graphics processing is being done in "the cloud". The steaming device is really only collecting device inputs from the controllers and broadcasting the signal sent back from the gaming service.

Basically, it's a dumb terminal instead of a real computer.
 
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purbeast0

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How would that work exactly though ? I mean, would the graphics be downgraded any since there is no dedicated console on the consumer end ? Or would it still be the same ? I have never paid streaming any attention at all. I am sort of oblivious to it. Or would the TV process it ?
What @ultimatebob said.

It's the same concept for the xCloud right now on phones. The phones aren't doing anything other than sending inputs to the xCloud service where it takes the input in the game, then streams the video to the phone.

Think of it basically as interactive Netflix.
 
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cmdrdredd

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How would that work exactly though ? I mean, would the graphics be downgraded any since there is no dedicated console on the consumer end ? Or would it still be the same ? I have never paid streaming any attention at all. I am sort of oblivious to it. Or would the TV process it ?

Pretty much you get the basic version of a game. If you have a console you can enable a more graphic intensive version and/or run at a higher frame rate. That’s what I think anyhow. The processing is done at the server end and for streaming over the internet you aren’t going to get the full 4K ray tracing etc experience due to bandwidth concerns and the like.
 
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simas

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Yeah that is what I see it doing too. I mean if you can get people with a smart TV who wouldn't purchase a $500 console, to pay you $15/month to play the same exact games but streaming, then good for them.

Right now it is thrown in with gamepass ultimate - if I am already paying 15/month for access to library of games and guaranteed to have every game of every studio that Microsoft owns to be available there for free day one of the release, then xcloud (or whatever name it may take) is just icing on the cake when I may be sitting in a bedroom of my kid with headphones waiting for him/her to fall asleep and can not turn on console/tv that is elsewhere. I can watch youtube, I can play mobile games , I can play Stadia , or I can play Xcloud. Either way I am just waiting for my child to fall asleep and cant use my gaming computer or console. I can also buy something like Switch but with cost of games for it, the $15/month becomes cheap (coming from PC gamer who is used to Steam sales and has a game backlog)
 

BarkingGhostar

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Xbox games will soon be streamed directly to TVs, no console needed

Soon consumers will be able to play Xbox games in their living room without owning an Xbox console.

Xbox is no longer a console, but a service offered on consoles, PCs, mobile phones, and soon smart TVs. Microsoft's Project xCloud tech will allow direct game-to-TV game streaming possibly as soon as 2021, Xbox boss Phil Spencer says in a new interview with The Verge.

Spencer says we could see an Xbox app emerge sometime in the next 12 months, but is careful to say that the best cloud gaming experiences will require a hybrid of local and streaming tech. Latency is a big issue and Spencer says dedicated console and PC gaming isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

"I think you're going to see [an Xbox app on TVs] in the next 12 months. I don't think anything is going to stop us from doing that," Spender said.

"...Now, as you said, a TV is really more of a game console stuffed behind a screen that has an app platform and a Bluetooth stack and a streaming capability. Is it really a TV anymore or is it just the form and function of the devices that we used to have around our TV, consolidated into the one big screen that I'm looking at?

"I do think you're going to see hardware change."

In the same interview, Spencer also re-confirmed the Xbox Series S and Series X consoles won't be the last Xbox hardware that Microsoft creates.

"I don't think these will be the last big pieces of hardware that we ship."

Another important part was the downplaying of cloud-only gaming.

"When we think about the evolution of our game platform, it's really more of a hybrid game platform between edge and cloud that we're shooting for.

"When we think about xCloud, which is our version of Stadia or Luna, I think what it needs to evolve to are games that actually run between a hybrid environment of the cloud and the local compute capability, and that they can actually take full advantage of the cloud that's there and that's available, but also full advantage of my edge compute capability that I have in my home in the console. It's really a hybrid between both of those.

"That's, I think, the compute model that most people are going to move to with most app development, a hybrid model between edge and the cloud where things that - either from a security, or latency, or even cost and bandwidth standpoint - can be done locally, should be done locally, and things that really could use the scale that you can get through cloud, and be able to light up multiple blades to deliver whatever experience you want to deliver to somebody, would use the power of the cloud.

Direct game-to-TV streaming is something we've long predicted.

This concept is an evolution of Microsoft's aspirations with the cancelled Project Hobart; a small, NVIDIA Shield-like set top box designed specifically for game streaming. Instead, Microsoft could roll out an Xbox Stick to plug directly into a TV's HDMI slot, or even design a Project xCloud app natively to run on smart TVs without any extra hardware.


Microsoft will reach many millions more consumers and fold them into the Xbox ecosystem. The Xbox TV app will introduce more people into the brand and likely push them to upgrade to dedicated hardware--or play games on-the-go via mobile. Either way, the incentive is clear: playing games regardless of where you are in a form factor and frictionless way that doesn't waste your time.

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When they start to do this. Is when I will stop purchasing games. More than likely anyway, the Xbox One X will probably be the LAST console I purchase from Microsoft. I have no need for the new ones that were just launched. I always wait till 10 games is released that I want. So in 3 years, ill pick up a PS5. Then I am done purchasing consoles. Unless it is the older ones. I still need a Gamecube, PS2 and a Dreamcast. Then I have them all. Except for the X1X and PS5.
This is nothing more than a pipe dream of someone that thinks gamers are all looking for the tablet experience. That dreamer needs to be permanently sedated out of existence.
 
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cmdrdredd

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This is nothing more than a pipe dream of someone that thinks gamers are all looking for the tablet experience. That dreamer needs to be permanently sedated out of existence.

This is a supplementary system to having a console or pc for primary gaming. It can also be useful for casual gaming.
 

BarkingGhostar

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Yeah, sell it to Tesla so while people behind the wheel are not driving they can play games. I'm not saying there are not the types of people that enjoy playing games on cell phones and tablets, but I will never see them replacing consoles and PCs in my lifetime.
 

purbeast0

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Best Buy has XSX up right now.

I just got another one so I have a backup for my Walmart one now.

I'm going to give one to my bro in law if they both come through.
 

simas

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Best Buy has XSX up right now.

I just got another one so I have a backup for my Walmart one now.

I'm going to give one to my bro in law if they both come through.

it was surprisingly easy to get one on BB

1. Watch for 'drops' (inventory being available). I used nowinstock.net, I am sure there are other options
2. at Best Buy, configure your account for 2 step authentication (text, email, etc), confirm.
3. When inventory is available, go to the link provided (or just search for Xbox series X console), click 'add to cart'.
4. System would tell you 'please wait' (since you are put in a queue), don't panic, don't refresh (you are in a queue).
5. in few minutes, you will get invitation to proceed and request to confirm (using the 2 step authentication) the code they sent you to verify. I used text so it arrived right away, now you are ready to check out
6. at check out, you will be asked to select which store you want contactless pickup option and it would also show you date it would be available. In my case it was next Friday for majority of the stores. You will see stores dropping off from being available, again dont panic, in a minute or two, just selecting the store allowed me to pick it as pickup options even if 45 seconds ago it was not available (they added inventory).
7. you are done. you get email with confirmation and be told to wait until pickup date and follow instructions then.
8. if you want to, you can install best buy app on your mobile device as it would also direct you to pickup in addition to email and tell you the progress.

So I have one for pickup next Friday and have pending Microsoft store order (which I would probably cancel once I pickup from best buy) for 12/23 pickup.
 

purbeast0

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Amazon has also sold a second round of Series X.

I haven't heard of them selling a second round of PS5 though.
 

simas

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most of the people had success with Microsoft store - they drop (make stock available) very regularly and it lasts for few minutes. i.e. this is yesterday 'drop' history.
what you buy has 'estimated delivery date' after 12/23 so if you want one right now , this is not a path for very impatient.

 

Aikouka

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It was mentioned earlier how Best Buy has the Xbox Game Pass Ultimate on sale for $22.99. Well, Target has it on sale for $19.99 right now for Cyber Monday. So, just a little bit cheaper if you're still looking to add some time.
 

purbeast0

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It was mentioned earlier how Best Buy has the Xbox Game Pass Ultimate on sale for $22.99. Well, Target has it on sale for $19.99 right now for Cyber Monday. So, just a little bit cheaper if you're still looking to add some time.
It's been that price since Thursday I believe.

Only downside is it's digital only. Which is fine if you're using it for yourself. But I got 2 for gifts for my nephews from Best Buy and having the physical card was necessary.
 

Aikouka

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It's been that price since Thursday I believe.

Only downside is it's digital only. Which is fine if you're using it for yourself. But I got 2 for gifts for my nephews from Best Buy and having the physical card was necessary.

What sounds more festive than handing someone a hand-written note with the Xbox digital code on it?

I'm thinking about doing that given I might give someone a digital-only game as a stocking stuffer. It's kind of fun to just say "Enter me into Xbox..." and have them wonder what in the world it is.
 
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sze5003

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It was mentioned earlier how Best Buy has the Xbox Game Pass Ultimate on sale for $22.99. Well, Target has it on sale for $19.99 right now for Cyber Monday. So, just a little bit cheaper if you're still looking to add some time.
I bought 3 of those digital codes from target. My current game pass ultimate sub ends this upcoming Saturday. Those stack without issues I would imagine. I almost bought them for $45 at costco before I got home and realized target had them for $20 each.

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