Xbox Series X

[LikeLinus]

Oh know the 2 Xbox fanboys in here think I'm a Sony fanboy because I'm not praising the Xbox Series X! What will I ever do?

> asks for facts.
> provide facts.
> "those arent the kind of facts I am talking about"

Fuck outta here. I'm done with you.

Yes, please get out of here. That would be lovely.

Plus, you're barking up the wrong tree with the fanboy thing with me. I don't even game anymore. I made that statement well before this started. I'm buying these for my kids. We've had every single Xbox and PS console since their inception.

You did not actually perform facts. You provided a link to someone using marketing materials to make a comparison.

But if you are unable to see your own hypocrisy, well that's on you and you're the one here with the "small brain". You tell someone the demo isn't valid because it's not using finalized hardware. You then make claims and post links that have not been validated and are not even a demo, lol. Plus you deny that Sony botched the launch by announcing it less than 12 hours before the release.

I even showed you links where Sony told reporters in July and August that they would NOT do a surprise release and they would give plenty of warning to customers. There are tons of articles talking about what Sony did was shitty and gave no one time. You decided not to respond to that. Surprise!!

If you cannot see your own fanboyism, well I'm glad you are done with me and you want to leave. Its ridiculous to have to explain common sense to a moron. No one ever asked you to praise the Xbox, but you've criticized it plenty and act like Sony is totally innocent.

 

[purbeast0]

Series S has been available for preorder in the UK since yesterday night and was posted on Slickdeals too.

Xbox Series S : Amazon.co.uk: PC & Video Games

Buy Xbox Series S from Amazon.co.uk. Everyday low prices on a huge range of consoles, games and accessories.

www.amazon.co.uk

As someone who does not want the industry to go fully digital, I am glad to see this isn't selling out.

But it could also be that people just don't want to buy an Xbox One.5 X as well.

 

[piokos]

As someone who does not want the industry to go fully digital, I am glad to see this isn't selling out.

But it could also be that people just don't want to buy an Xbox One.5 X as well.

Yes: as someone who lately spends most of his forum activity on criticizing Xbox, you hope that this console isn't selling well. This is surprising.

In reality though, many of Xbox buyers are probably waiting for the Game Pass bundle (or pre ordered it directly from MS).
If someone plans to pay for Game Pass over the next 2 years, buying a standalone Xbox makes no sense.
Game Pass currently has 10M subscribers - vs 50M Xbox Ones sold since 2013.

 

[quikah]

Yes: as someone who lately spends most of his forum activity on criticizing Xbox, you hope that this console isn't selling well. This is surprising.

In reality though, many of Xbox buyers are probably waiting for the Game Pass bundle (or pre ordered it directly from MS).
If someone plans to pay for Game Pass over the next 2 years, buying a standalone Xbox makes no sense.
Game Pass currently has 10M subscribers - vs 50M Xbox Ones sold since 2013.

Gamepass is at 15M now.

 

[JujuFish]

Yes: as someone who lately spends most of his forum activity on criticizing Xbox, you hope that this console isn't selling well. This is surprising.

@purbeast0 is clearly referring to the Series S, AKA the digital console. I don't think he cares at all if the Series X does well.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Series S has been available for preorder in the UK since yesterday night and was posted on Slickdeals too.

Xbox Series S : Amazon.co.uk: PC & Video Games

Buy Xbox Series S from Amazon.co.uk. Everyday low prices on a huge range of consoles, games and accessories.

www.amazon.co.uk

As someone who does not want the industry to go fully digital, I am glad to see this isn't selling out.

But it could also be that people just don't want to buy an Xbox One.5 X as well.

Well I suppose I see why they thought maybe there would be a market for something like this. I just think they overestimate the average person when it comes to “this one is for people who have 1080p TVs”. Nobody buys a console based on that especially those who would pre-order because they are probably paying attention to the differences. I also think a bigger number of people than they thought actually want to have the disc drive. Being able to play your library of Xbox games is pretty cool for a lot of people but not when you can’t put the disc in.

When I waited in line at my local GameStop they had about 10 people or so. They only had 3 series x consoles and nobody wanted the 2 S consoles they had. I was actually a bit surprised someone didn’t just settle, but I understand gamers not wanting to buy a lower power box and then itch to upgrade again in a couple years because now they have a new TV or whatever.

 

[jpiniero]

When I waited in line at my local GameStop they had about 10 people or so. They only had 3 series x consoles and nobody wanted the 2 S consoles they had. I was actually a bit surprised someone didn’t just settle, but I understand gamers not wanting to buy a lower power box and then itch to upgrade again in a couple years because now they have a new TV or whatever.

I'm surprised to hear that GameStop was even doing S preorders, given that y'know, it's GameStop. IIRC they didn't take preorders for the PS5 DE.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I'm surprised to hear that GameStop was even doing S preorders, given that y'know, it's GameStop. IIRC they didn't take preorders for the PS5 DE.

They did, all the stores in my area did but they didn’t have as many. Like my local store said they did 17 disc systems and only 3 digital.

 

[purbeast0]

Yes: as someone who lately spends most of his forum activity on criticizing Xbox, you hope that this console isn't selling well. This is surprising.

In reality though, many of Xbox buyers are probably waiting for the Game Pass bundle (or pre ordered it directly from MS).
If someone plans to pay for Game Pass over the next 2 years, buying a standalone Xbox makes no sense.
Game Pass currently has 10M subscribers - vs 50M Xbox Ones sold since 2013.

I also hope the PS5 discless version fails too.

How mad does that make you feel?

Also since you seem to be clueless about what you are talking about with the "game pass bundle", if you buy an Xbox Series X with the all access, you are still paying less than retail. it has nothing to do with whether someone wants a series S or X. In the end you are paying less than retail after 2 years for the series X or S console.

 

[purbeast0]

@purbeast0 is clearly referring to the Series S, AKA the digital console. I don't think he cares at all if the Series X does well.

These people are basically like a very specific political following but in the console world.

 

[purbeast0]

When I waited in line at my local GameStop they had about 10 people or so. They only had 3 series x consoles and nobody wanted the 2 S consoles they had. I was actually a bit surprised someone didn’t just settle, but I understand gamers not wanting to buy a lower power box and then itch to upgrade again in a couple years because now they have a new TV or whatever.

No one wants to hear your fake news you fanboy. Stop it. Xbox 4 lyfe.

 

[quikah]

Not sure we can really judge anything on pre-orders. People buying right now are enthusiasts, they are generally going to go for the top SKU no matter. Will see what happens after the first year of sales.

 

[Krunchy T. Clown]

Microsoft buying Zenimax, I don't know what that means for PC Gaming, but I'm at least happy to see MS actively investing in the Series X. I felt like they just didn't care too much about the Xone. A console becomes less appealing if the company that makes it doesn't do what they can to make it better.

 

[foghorn67]

Not sure we can really judge anything on pre-orders. People buying right now are enthusiasts, they are generally going to go for the top SKU no matter. Will see what happens after the first year of sales.

I think you are mostly right on. Since I want both consoles, I am considering getting the digital only version of the PS5. If I wanted only 1, I would hold out for the flagship.

 

[PlanetJosh]

I have the previous two versions of XBox in storage. Got the first one for GTA5 because it wasn't out on pc at the time. Then upgraded to an Xbone. They both went on my shelf when GTA5 came out on the pc. Anyway to stop rambling, waiting for a game for which to get a X. There may be one or two but that's my laziness to not research what games are on which platform.

 

[cmdrdredd]

No one wants to hear your fake news you fanboy. Stop it. Xbox 4 lyfe.

Lol I guess

 

[cmdrdredd]

Microsoft buying Zenimax, I don't know what that means for PC Gaming, but I'm at least happy to see MS actively investing in the Series X. I felt like they just didn't care too much about the Xone. A console becomes less appealing if the company that makes it doesn't do what they can to make it better.

Means nothing negative for PC cause all of Microsoft’s games go to pc. A lot of their games will make it to game pass now. So that’s a win for them, getting people interested in subscribing. I subscribed myself because I hadn’t played Gears 5 and that will get a series x update for 4K HDR 60fps and some visual upgrades. Plus I started replaying the Halo games on PC and I see they have Yakuza Kawami on there which I also have not played. Not to mention all the new titles that make it there for the series x and there is a lot already announced. The value is there IMO. Not everyone likes it but I have to admit that Microsoft is giving a lot of value. It’s only $1 for the first month

 

[cmdrdredd]

I have the previous two versions of XBox in storage. Got the first one for GTA5 because it wasn't out on pc at the time. Then upgraded to an Xbone. They both went on my shelf when GTA5 came out on the pc. Anyway to stop rambling, waiting for a game for which to get a X. There may be one or two but that's my laziness to not research what games are on which platform.

There are a few titles that were pretty much PC exclusive that are seeing a series x release. Two I can name off the top of my head are Crossfire X which is a FPS game in the style of half life or old school halo with hip fire etc. it will have a single player campaign developed by remedy which made the Max Payne games. The other is Bright Memory which is a sci-fi shooter from a small developer out of Hong Kong. Both look pretty good and will be console exclusive to the Xbox. Of course they will be on PC too so they aren’t true exclusives but I’ll probably play them on console.

Anyway you’d just have to browse the release list and see if anything catches your attention.

 

[piokos]

I also hope the PS5 discless version fails too.

How mad does that make you feel?

Mad? Why? I feel a little sad.
I don't know why people are so attached to inserting plastic discs into devices.
If someone is so frightened of downloading games from cloud, how will he survive... not being able to download them at all? Because unless you're 70 or older, you'll very likely see a cloud-only console generation.

Is this the first time you're saying farewell to a physical media type?

Also since you seem to be clueless about what you are talking about with the "game pass bundle", if you buy an Xbox Series X with the all access, you are still paying less than retail. it has nothing to do with whether someone wants a series S or X. In the end you are paying less than retail after 2 years for the series X or S console.

I precisely said buying an Xbox and a separate 2-year subscription makes no sense. Yes, I meant that it's more expensive that way.
I commend your arithmetic proficiency.

Not sure we can really judge anything on pre-orders. People buying right now are enthusiasts, they are generally going to go for the top SKU no matter. Will see what happens after the first year of sales.

Very much so. Enthusiasts + people who just like to preorder stuff and have it before the neighbour (this is mostly a cultural thing).

Most people just buy a console when they feel like gaming. This is pretty much built into the console user experience (which is meant to be more relaxing and casual).
This is why we still see PS4 and Xbox One being sold, which is probably something many forum members find impossible to digest.

 

[MrSquished]

Ars Technica has a hands on with the Series X with backwards compatible games https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/09/xbox-series-x-hands-on-the-big-back-compat-dive-begins/

 

[piokos]

Ars Technica has a hands on with the Series X with backwards compatible games https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/09/xbox-series-x-hands-on-the-big-back-compat-dive-begins/

Lovely.
"In my tests, jumping from one game to the next via Xbox Quick Resume usually clocks in around eight seconds and doesn't exceed 13 seconds, even when grabbing beefy XB1 fare like Red Dead Redemption 2 or Borderlands 3 off a USB 3.1 drive "
Just waiting for this to be confirmed for Series S.

Essentially "Xbox Quick Resume" is what I mentioned in an earlier comment:

Existing consoles can keep the last gaming session in RAM, so it can be brought back "instantly". But this is purged when you launch a different game.

Maybe, thanks to the very fast SSD, Sony will be able to keep a few sessions dumped onto the hard drive. That would be great for sure (and possible on Xbox too, just a little slower).

So it's around 10s to switch between games (playing-to-playing) on the - theoretically slower - Xbox's SSD.
Fast loading is one thing. This basically means you only see the intro and the main menu the first time you run a game.

Of course I'm not surprised this was possible.
Xbox One was already built around virtualization (it's actually a cut-down Hyper-V). The only thing they were missing was a fast SSD for storing containers.

I wonder if PS5 matches this and if they had to change their platform a lot.

Now... the fun part. If this was built on Nvidia Ampere, MIG (Multi-instance GPU) would probably make it possible to run few games at the same time. I wonder if AMD has similar tech planned.

 

[purbeast0]

With the quick resume, you don't have to quit it a special way for it to keep the save state in memory right? Like you can just cut it off and it automatically does it?

EDIT:

And I love the OG 360 notifications popping up in those games.

 

[quikah]

And I love the OG 360 notifications popping up in those games.

You have never played a BC game before? That is how it has always worked for 360 games...

I hope the quick resume could be configurable (change the cache size) and can be disabled, I don't see myself using it much.

 

[piokos]

With the quick resume, you don't have to quit it a special way for it to keep the save state in memory right? Like you can just cut it off and it automatically does it?

You have to somehow trigger the workflow (by switching to another game or turning the console off). It pauses the container, dumps it from RAM to hard drive and starts another one. Just like a VM run on your OS.

Xbox One, when turned off properly, keeps the RAM powered so the single session remains there.
Xbox Series won't have to - they can run for a few seconds, drop everything to SSD and shut down completely (of course I have no idea if MS decides to implement that, but it seems to make sense).

Of course this is still running on volatile memory. If you pull the plug, the session is lost.

This can also be applied to saving.
Normal game save today works by writing a set of parameters that defines the game (say: your character, position etc). It's usually not saving the whole world, so some things (like NPC locations) would be different when you load.
Now they can do this using the same VM copying mechanism. It's just few seconds - not a big deal. You would load a game in the exact state you left it.
It's just a question of how much SSD volume we're willing to sacrifice for this.

 

[purbeast0]

You have never played a BC game before? That is how it has always worked for 360 games...

I hope the quick resume could be configurable (change the cache size) and can be disabled, I don't see myself using it much.

Nope.

I personally don't really go back and play old games since I've owned all consoles prior. I find BC one of the most overrated features on any console for me but I can see how valuable it can be for people especially if they are new to the eco system.