Xbox Series X

[Aikouka]

@purbeast0 Have you managed to win one yet from Taco Bell?

 

[beastykato]

Just looking for opinions here. I have a HP Omen 32" 1440P monitor that is 75Hz. It can apparently run 90Hz pretty regularly if overclocked from guides online, but I've never attempted that yet.

Is there any real reason I should not just get a Series S instead of a Series X? The only reason I can think is the extra 500gb of storage. Will I even see a benefit on this screen from the Series X version 4k games?

 

[purbeast0]

@purbeast0 Have you managed to win one yet from Taco Bell?

Hahaha nope, the free code isn't out yet. It comes out towards the end of October. Then I will try like 20x a day using the dot trick with my gmail account.

That's how I got the PS4.

The only PS5 contest is in Europe and it's with Doritos. So I can't try that one

 

[purbeast0]

Just looking for opinions here. I have a HP Omen 32" 1440P monitor that is 75Hz. It can apparently run 90Hz pretty regularly if overclocked from guides online, but I've never attempted that yet.

Is there any real reason I should not just get a Series S instead of a Series X? The only reason I can think is the extra 500gb of storage. Will I even see a benefit on this screen from the Series X version 4k games?

Series S and Series X have different internals, so I'm guessing you will see a difference in things other than just resolution. Framerates may not be as good. To me, framerates are much MUCH MUCH more important than resolution. I actually hate the fact they are pushing 4k so hard with this gen.

IMO there is absolutely no reason to get an S unless you are simply strap for cash.

 

[beastykato]

Series S and Series X have different internals, so I'm guessing you will see a difference in things other than just resolution. Framerates may not be as good. To me, framerates are much MUCH MUCH more important than resolution. I actually hate the fact they are pushing 4k so hard with this gen.

IMO there is absolutely no reason to get an S unless you are simply strap for cash.

I'm a little confused by that? Everything I have read said the internals were identical, outside of the GPU in the Series S targeting 1440p and the X targeting 4k? I was under the impression if I had an S my game would run the same framerate say 120fps 1440p on a particular game, while the X would run that same game at 120fps 4k.

 

[purbeast0]

I'm a little confused by that? Everything I have read said the internals were identical, outside of the GPU in the Series S targeting 1440p and the X targeting 4k? I was under the impression if I had an S my game would run the same framerate say 120fps 1440p on a particular game, while the X would run that same game at 120fps 4k.

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Xbox Series X vs. Xbox Series S: What's the Difference?

Microsoft has two new Xbox consoles coming out November 10. Here's how they stack up when it comes to price, power, size, and more.

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CPU, GPU, and RAM are all weaker on Series S.

 

[Aikouka]

Hahaha nope, the free code isn't out yet. It comes out towards the end of October. Then I will try like 20x a day using the dot trick with my gmail account.

That's how I got the PS4.

The only PS5 contest is in Europe and it's with Doritos. So I can't try that one

I don't know if you want to go through the effort, but there are two sets of free codes. The first is the one that you send a postcard in for, and they email you the codes. Although, what I don't know is whether or not those codes are reusable (like the free online ones that you're talking about) or if they are just generic codes.

Although, I don't know if it's different this time, but after you enter your email address, you have to enter your personal information before you can enter a code. I don't know if you could end up disqualified due to them finding multiple email addresses with the same information.

 

[piokos]

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Xbox Series X vs. Xbox Series S: What's the Difference?

Microsoft has two new Xbox consoles coming out November 10. Here's how they stack up when it comes to price, power, size, and more.

www.pcmag.com

CPU, GPU, and RAM are all weaker on Series S.

What do you don't understand this time?

Internals and features are the same - meaning it's the same software running on basically the same electronics (sans those performance-related).
The difference is in raw graphics throughput, in SSD capacity (but not speed) and optical drive.
RAM size is made to match the resolution. S needs less memory than X, obviously.

4K has 2.25x the pixels of 1440p.
Raw performance ratio is ~3x, but it's never linear with the final gaming fps. So yeah, S should be capable of matching X's fps at their max resolutions.

Both consoles are designed for 60fps (which means that's what games will be optimized for). 120fps will be achievable in some games, with slightly lower settings.
Obviously, most of people will go for quality. Hardly anyone has a 120Hz TV anyway.

 

[beastykato]

What do you don't understand this time?

Internals and features are the same - meaning it's the same software running on basically the same electronics (sans those performance-related).
The difference is in raw graphics throughput, in SSD capacity (but not speed) and optical drive.
RAM size is made to match the resolution. S needs less memory than X, obviously.

4K has 2.25x the pixels of 1440p.
Raw performance ratio is ~3x, but it's never linear with the final gaming fps. So yeah, S should be capable of matching X's fps at their max resolutions.

Both consoles are designed for 60fps (which means that's what games will be optimized for). 120fps will be achievable in some games, with slightly lower settings.
Obviously, most of people will go for quality. Hardly anyone has a 120Hz TV anyway.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. The RAM difference doesn't concern me or the 200Mhz CPU both of those things a negligible. 200Mhz is nothing and 1440p should need no where near the same RAM capacity as 4K. I'm wondering if real world I'll see any real difference in experience on my 1440p/75 monitor.

I guess I'll have to wait for the full reviews to be sure and should probably just hold off on trying to get a pre-order.

 

[quikah]

Just looking for opinions here. I have a HP Omen 32" 1440P monitor that is 75Hz. It can apparently run 90Hz pretty regularly if overclocked from guides online, but I've never attempted that yet.

Is there any real reason I should not just get a Series S instead of a Series X? The only reason I can think is the extra 500gb of storage. Will I even see a benefit on this screen from the Series X version 4k games?

Maybe, if you can wait for some reviews then you can be sure.

You might see somewhat lower graphics options, but all the games will be certified to run on S, so you shouldn't see stark differences. Most likely the RT might be tuned lower on the S for games that use it. Dirt5 has been shown running at 120fps on the S, so it is a very capable system.

Games will be smaller on the S since they will not download the higher res assets, so that somewhat mitigates the smaller SSD size. I have seen reports that say they are 30% smaller, but that might be best case.

 

[purbeast0]

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. The RAM difference doesn't concern me or the 200Mhz CPU both of those things a negligible. 200Mhz is nothing and 1440p should need no where near the same RAM capacity as 4K. I'm wondering if real world I'll see any real difference in experience on my 1440p/75 monitor.

I guess I'll have to wait for the full reviews to be sure and should probably just hold off on trying to get a pre-order.

Yeah I mean there is theory and then there is real world, and we all know that theory typically isn't what happens in the real world when it comes to these things.

As far back as I can remember with consoles like dating back to PS2, we've always been told in theory how things will look and perform, and in actuality that is never the case. Remember the old man emotion engine demo? We saw nothing even close to that in actuality in the full lifespan of PS2.

The whole bullshot thing started to me (since that is as far back as I remember it happening) with PS3 and Killzone 2. They claimed it was running on a PC with comparable hardware to PS3, and then we all remember how it actually looked on PS2 when it came out.

 

[purbeast0]

I don't know if you want to go through the effort, but there are two sets of free codes. The first is the one that you send a postcard in for, and they email you the codes. Although, what I don't know is whether or not those codes are reusable (like the free online ones that you're talking about) or if they are just generic codes.

Although, I don't know if it's different this time, but after you enter your email address, you have to enter your personal information before you can enter a code. I don't know if you could end up disqualified due to them finding multiple email addresses with the same information.

Nah I'll just go for the code that is online.

I believe with PS3 it asked for all that info the first time you entered your email but after that, you just entered email and code. I am pretty sure I put all my info the same on all accounts, and I'm confident they don't verify that stuff on losses, only wins, since it worked for me.

 

[piokos]

Yeah I mean there is theory and then there is real world, and we all know that theory typically isn't what happens in the real world when it comes to these things.

Sure, it could turn out that this gen consoles suck. That can't be tested until we get the product.

This is not what you were saying earlier.
What I've seen a guy who is trying to imply that S won't deliver what it says on the box, because it has less performance potential than X ("CPU, GPU, and RAM are all weaker on Series S. ").

What we're trying to tell you is: this raw performance difference matches the resolution that they're supposed to support.
In short: if Xbox Series X delivers, Xbox Series S will as well. That's it. On paper everything scales neatly.

 

[purbeast0]

Sure, it could turn out that this gen consoles suck. That can't be tested until we get the product.

This is not what you were saying earlier.
What I've seen a guy who is trying to imply that S won't deliver what it says on the box, because it has less performance potential than X ("CPU, GPU, and RAM are all weaker on Series S. ").

What we're trying to tell you is: this raw performance difference matches the resolution that they're supposed to support.
In short: if Xbox Series X delivers, Xbox Series S will as well. That's it. On paper everything scales neatly.

And on paper, PS3 was supposed to be able to display Killzone 2 like the left, but in actuality it displayed it like the right.

I take everything with a grain of salt since then, which is why when they are showing all these Series X games on equivalent PCs I don't trust it 100%.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Just looking for opinions here. I have a HP Omen 32" 1440P monitor that is 75Hz. It can apparently run 90Hz pretty regularly if overclocked from guides online, but I've never attempted that yet.

Is there any real reason I should not just get a Series S instead of a Series X? The only reason I can think is the extra 500gb of storage. Will I even see a benefit on this screen from the Series X version 4k games?

A lot of games are going to be 1440p or 1080p 60fps with ray tracing but at 4K be 30fps in the S. Unless you plan to use only this monitor for years and years I would consider the X. The ps5 is a bit more powerful in raw performance than the series s Xbox and already we are many games stuck at 30fps. If you ever update your monitor or hook up to a 4K TV the benefits will be clear and you will have a better shot at 60fps games with the X.

 

[Aikouka]

A lot of games are going to be 1440p or 1080p 60fps with ray tracing but at 4K be 30fps in the S. Unless you plan to use only this monitor for years and years I would consider the X. The ps5 is a bit more powerful in raw performance than the series s Xbox and already we are many games stuck at 30fps. If you ever update your monitor or hook up to a 4K TV the benefits will be clear and you will have a better shot at 60fps games with the X.

Do you think the Series S will render at 4K, or will it continue to render at 1440p and upscale to 4K?

 

[piokos]

And on paper, PS3 was supposed to be able to display Killzone 2 like the left, but in actuality it displayed it like the right.

But again: you're talking about general disappointment after pre launch marketing, not particular console.
Xbox X and S are well scaled for the resolution they are marketed for. So they'll both deliver or not. End of story.

Do you think the Series S will render at 4K, or will it continue to render at 1440p and upscale to 4K?

The max resolution is likely fixed, so it'll be 1440p - even in old and light games. It will then be upscaled to 4K or whatever your screen is.
Resolution is not a continuous parameter. Games have UI elements made for particular pixel density. That's why in PC games you're choosing from a set of supported resolutions - and it may turn out that your monitor native resolution (or worse: aspect ratio) is not supported.

Near the end of Xbox Series S lifetime we'll likely see games to complex to be run at 1440p - just like it was with Xbox One. Many recent games run at 900p or even 720p.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Do you think the Series S will render at 4K, or will it continue to render at 1440p and upscale to 4K?

No idea but I think you will have more games at 60fps on the x than the s over the course of time. Not to mention the possibility of some games using lower graphics settings to keep performance up as time goes on. More complex game engines may tax the system more heavily and resolution scaling alone might not be enough. It’s all just speculation but I would never advise anyone to buy the S over the X if both are an option.

 

[purbeast0]

No idea but I think you will have more games at 60fps on the x than the s over the course of time. Not to mention the possibility of some games using lower graphics settings to keep performance up as time goes on. More complex game engines may tax the system more heavily and resolution scaling alone might not be enough. It’s all just speculation but I would never advise anyone to buy the S over the X if both are an option.

Do you know if they've said anything on Xbox side of things about games having a performance mode option?

 

[quikah]

Do you know if they've said anything on Xbox side of things about games having a performance mode option?

AFAIK It is up to the dev what they want to do. Only one I have heard about is Dirt 5. They have a 120FPS mode which has some different graphic options applied as opposed to the 60FPS mode.

Inside Xbox Series X Optimized: Dirt 5 - Xbox Wire

When it launches this holiday, Xbox Series X will be the most powerful console the world has ever seen. One of the biggest benefits of all that power is giving developers the ability to make games that are Xbox Series X Optimized. This means that they’ve taken full advantage of the unique...

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Not clear what the actual difference is though as they are both reportedly 4K. This interview was pre-S announcement, they have confirmed 120FPS mode on S also at 1440 or 1080 (don't remember which).

This was another interview that talked about with the S also:

 

[quikah]

A bunch of Youtubers got a 2nd round of Series X review units. Yongyea, Alanah Pearce, and some others I don't follow. These are retail boxes (with packaging). Under embargo now, but I expect to see unboxings videos soon.

Aside from the pricing, it has been refreshing how open MS has been with this launch. Just a bit of a bummer they don't have more next-gen games ready.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Do you know if they've said anything on Xbox side of things about games having a performance mode option?

DMC5 will have options. 4K 30fps with ray tracing, 1080p 60fps with ray tracing, 4K 60fps without ray tracing, or 1080p 120fps without ray tracing.

This is across both the ps5 and series x. I have no way of knowing if the 30fps limit is due to them standardizing the engine based on the ps5(which is slightly less powerful) or if neither could pull it off.

 

[thetechfreak]

A bunch of Youtubers got a 2nd round of Series X review units. Yongyea, Alanah Pearce, and some others I don't follow. These are retail boxes (with packaging). Under embargo now, but I expect to see unboxings videos soon.

Aside from the pricing, it has been refreshing how open MS has been with this launch. Just a bit of a bummer they don't have more next-gen games ready.

Launch Date though is still under wraps right? Probably Christmas Day 2020?

Also with how well gamepass gives you access to all games on both your PC and console, I feel MS has a huge upper hand. Especially that next gen games slated to cost 10USD more.

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[cmdrdredd]

Launch Date though is still under wraps right? Probably Christmas Day 2020?

Also with how well gamepass gives you access to all games on both your PC and console, I feel MS has a huge upper hand. Especially that next gen games slated to cost 10USD more.

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Christmas? The console releases Nov 10.

If MS can somehow leverage the extra performance of the series x to get the better version of multi platform titles it could be a big deal. As for game pass just remember that it’s up to the developer to put the games on there, not MS. MS will have first party titles on there for sure but third party games won’t necessarily be day one releases on game pass. MS will likely offer incentives to put games on there but it would be up to the developer on a game by game basis unless like EA there ends up being some type of deal worked out.

 

[Aikouka]

If you're thinking about the Xbox Series storage upgrade and you shop at Target, they have a Target Circle 10% off deal for electronics right now. Unsurprisingly, plenty of items are excluded, but the storage upgrade is not. It also stacks with other bonuses, so I was able to snag it for about $178 after three discounts (10% electronics, 5% birthday, 5% Red Card). It is still more expensive than using your own external SSD, but it does bring the price far closer, and of course, supports playing Series games.