Xbox360 Price confirmed

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fstime

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If people want Blue-ray support or HD-DVD support get a DVD player that supports it.

I don't know about you guys but I don't use my Playstation for watching movies, I use a DVD player.

I know it's a nice feature but it's not that importent to me.
 

batmanuel

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Originally posted by: johnnqq
what is the point of a hard drive??

well, as far as the original Xbox goes, the hard drive has been used for a lot of downloadable content. Without the hard drive, they couldn't have patched Halo 2 in order to balance the gameplay. I think at some point the new Halo 2 multiplayer pack will be made available to download on to the hard drive if you have Xbox live. It opens up a lot of possibilitues for a game console. Making it non-standard is a bit of a problem, though, because it discourages developers from using it in their games (in order to maintain compatability with the $299 non-hard drive versions).

 

5150Joker

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Very stupid decision on MS's behalf. If the 20 gb HD was too expensive, they should have included an 8 GB HD for the $299 system or included it with a 20 gb HD but no controller. Oh well I want all consoles to fail so I won't shed any tears if xbox 360 fails.
 

klah

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

...that doesn't change the fact that the XB360 lacks any high definition playback for FMV clips.

I'm pretty sure it will play 720p/WMV9. Not sure what you are referring to.



 

n7

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I feel sorry for the kids who now have to try to convince their parents they need the $399 one, not the $299 one :laugh:

Also, this is indeed good news for Blu-Ray.

I dearly hope Sony doesn't f*ck up things somehow, as they are prone to do, since Blu-ray really is sweet
 

subzero813

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project gotham racing and other games like that which are usually for console-only (fun multiplayer with 4 controllers) are the only reason. any normal game will now probably be co-released on PC and PS3 as well as Xbox360 since all specs are so close now. and the PC (by PS3's release time anyway) will be back on top w/regards to hardware...although not in terms of bang for buck
 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: BouZouki
I don't know about you guys but I don't use my Playstation for watching movies, I use a DVD player.
You would if it could play the movies in Hi-Def.
 

Continuity28

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Originally posted by: BouZouki
If people want Blue-ray support or HD-DVD support get a DVD player that supports it.

I don't know about you guys but I don't use my Playstation for watching movies, I use a DVD player.

I know it's a nice feature but it's not that importent to me.

It's not about movies at all.

Blu-Ray can hold anywhere from 25GB (single) - 200GB (eight) in comparison to a dual layered DVD which can hold 9.4GB. (around 8.7 of which is data).

Which would you rather design your games around?
 

kylebisme

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More space is always nice, but my whole Steam dir is barely over 6gb so I think DVD9 will do fine.
 

ZimZum

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Blue Ray and HD-DVD, pfft please.

HVD is where its at.

Holographic recording technology records data on discs in the form of laser interference fringes, enabling existing discs the same size as today's DVDs to store as much as one terabyte of data (200 times the capacity of a single layer DVD), with a transfer speed of one gigabyte per second (40 times the speed of DVD).

 

BenSkywalker

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If people want Blue-ray support or HD-DVD support get a DVD player that supports it.

Players are launching this year at prices between $400-$500. I don't tend to sweat money much at all, but dropping $1600-$1800 to get one of each(player and console) is certainly less appealing to me then dropping $800 to get one of each. Although, with MS's failure to back HD-DVD they have handed Sony an easy victory for Blu-Ray.

I'm pretty sure it will play 720p/WMV9. Not sure what you are referring to.

On what, DVD9? To get acceptable quality levels that would leave them very little for game code, and that is with minimal FMV clips. It isn't really viable on the XB360.

It's not about movies at all.

The Matrix movie on DVD was the PS2's launch app of choice. It had backwards compatability going for it, and it was a DVD player- the deman was shattering for it. This was largely due to the fact that DVD players at the time cost as much as the PS2 did and couldn't play games. The XB360 ships with HD-DVD support alongside HD-DVD players costing the same and it's a bargain @$400- as it is now it has either no or limited backwards compatability(depending on the model) and a very weak launch lineup. They have no killer app, nothing worth launching a platform with. Sony got away with it last gen mainly because of DVD playback- MS has nothing to fall back on. They will certainly sell through their launch hardware without problem- but they aren't looking good to build anything resembling momentum heading in to the PS3's launch.

Blu-Ray can hold anywhere from 25GB (single) - 200GB (eight) in comparison to a dual layered DVD which can hold 9.4GB. (around 8.7 of which is data).

Which would you rather design your games around?

Obviously that is going to be a major issue- some developers are already complaining about the lack of space with DVD9. HD-DVD would have at least doubled their capacity(slightly more), that would have had them in a much better long term position.

More space is always nice, but my whole Steam dir is barely over 6gb so I think DVD9 will do fine.

A two generation old gaming engine with no FMV- I'm shocked it takes as much space as it does honestly. We aren't talking about very dated technology here though- we are talking about titles far beyond what they are currently shipping on PCs.

Blue Ray and HD-DVD, pfft please.

HVD is where its at.

PS4 maybe, MS may decide to go with CDs for that gen to save a couple dollars

Making it non-standard is a bit of a problem, though, because it discourages developers from using it in their games (in order to maintain compatability with the $299 non-hard drive versions).

Emphasis mine- it is a requirement as of now that devs not use the HD according to MS.
 

Biatche1488

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The 300$ is dumb the real price is 335$ because you have to buy a memory card 64mb
The 400$ is the only smart choice because without hard drive and hd cable it will be boring.
Just play a 720p 16:9 game on a standart 4:3 tv that's hurt! you just can't play on a standar tv you will lose your time triying to read or to find what your are seeing on the screen.(dumb are them who want to play a 720p 16:9 game on a 15 inch tv.)
So the real price is 1500$ at least
 

Hacp

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I was originally going to go with Xbox360, but It looks like microsoft is not going to make it as open as I thought it would. The mention of being a media hub, and also the mention of interconnectability with other devices made me think Microsoft was more open then Sony. But after the ordeal with controllers and other 3rd party periphreals, I think Sony Is more open, especially since they said that they wouldn't cripple anyone fron using an OS on the PS3. Microsoft said specifically that they would.

I just hope that sony's PS3 comes with an HD, because that is what its going to take to get me to pay the 500 or so bucks the PS3 is going to cost.
 

amheck

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This may be a stupid question, but why would ANY console today come without a HDD? The XBOX I have today has a HDD, but yet the next gen one won't? That just seems illogical today with how cheap they are and how much of a benefit they give to something like this.

Can anyone explain the rationale to leave a HDD out of any console? It is strictly to keep the $$ down?
 

knyghtbyte

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Originally posted by: ZimZum
Blue Ray and HD-DVD, pfft please.

HVD is where its at.

Holographic recording technology records data on discs in the form of laser interference fringes, enabling existing discs the same size as today's DVDs to store as much as one terabyte of data (200 times the capacity of a single layer DVD), with a transfer speed of one gigabyte per second (40 times the speed of DVD).


i've actually got a copy of the UK What Hi-Fi mag somewhere from something like 1996 that reported on the Holographic disc technology.....they reckoned it wouldnt be available for around 10-15 years as a viable commercial product....looks like for once they wernt far off.....lol


 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
More space is always nice, but my whole Steam dir is barely over 6gb so I think DVD9 will do fine.

A two generation old gaming engine with no FMV- I'm shocked it takes as much space as it does honestly. We aren't talking about very dated technology here though- we are talking about titles far beyond what they are currently shipping on PCs.[pq]

I'm talking about my whole Steam dir, not just HL2 but CS:S and all the old HL stuff as well. And sure the Source engine isn't the most advanced by any means, but engine code doesn't take much memory anyway so I don't see your argument there. I simply chose my Steam dir as it is the game directory that takes the most space on my drive, and even then it would have 3gb of room for FMV left on a DVD9.
 

EvlD99

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
A two generation old gaming engine with no FMV- I'm shocked it takes as much space as it does honestly. We aren't talking about very dated technology here though- we are talking about titles far beyond what they are currently shipping on PCs.

LOL.. this is just rediculous. Computer games are still coming out on DVD and CD-ROM today... yes CDs. Its not like November is the far off future. And I can tell you there arent going to be any Blue Ray players on the shelf of your local Best Buy any time soon. They are releasing it over a YEAR before the release of the PS3. Doing anything other then DVD would make it extremely expensive. I don't even know why people are argueing this. Its like saying "Im not going to buy a computer until there are bigger hard drives and more powerful processors". You will just always be looking to the future while everybody else is having a great time playing with what is out now.

My $.02
 

SketchMaster

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I don't know about you guy's but I saw the wired controller coming for a long time.

Ever since I heard that there was going to be deferent bundles and saw the picture of a wired controller I knew they were going to do this.




I think that I deserve a cookie for that.
 

kylebisme

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Microsoft spuring the dffernt bundles on us just the other day and I'm pretty sure we all figured out the wired controler on the cheap one at that point. Up until the other day MS guys had been insisting that they would anuch with only one configuration. So I can't see how you would desrve a cookie any more than the rest of us.
 

klah

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

I'm pretty sure it will play 720p/WMV9. Not sure what you are referring to.

On what, DVD9? To get acceptable quality levels that would leave them very little for game code, and that is with minimal FMV clips. It isn't really viable on the XB360.

How many games use over 30 minutes of pre-rendered video? The 720p samples Microsoft has released are only ~6mbps, so around 45MB per minute of pre-rendered cut scenes. I suppose that the few games with over ~1hour of pre-rendered scenes (FFXI and...?) will have to use a lower res than 1280x720, probably 480p/2mbps.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/window...ent_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx
 
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