Xenadrine or Stacker?

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
Xenadrine EMF... what kind of dosage do they recommend? (1 pill with each meal, ...?)

 

[PunDogg]

Originally posted by: edro13
Hydroxycut

we sell alot of that too

 

[Hammer]

people that want to take it are gonna take it. yeah, its not great for you, i think most people that take it are aware of that.

 

[Orsorum]

What about Xenadrine EXF? Are there any potential side effects with that? AFAIK it doesn't contain any ephedrine.

 

[C'DaleRider]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: badluck

neither cause the both can klill you

great response.....so can driving a car.....go away troll....

considering Ephedra has many problems.... i would say he is correct, not a troll.

Disputed Study Calls Ephedra Most Dangerous Herb

MONDAY, Feb. 3 (HealthScoutNews) -- A study of data from poison control centers shows the controversial supplement ephedra is by far the most dangerous herbal product on the market, San Francisco researchers claim.

While ephedra accounted for less that 1 percent of herbal supplement sales in 2001, it was responsible for 62 percent of all the herbal-related reports made to poison control centers that year, says a study that will appear in the March 18 issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine.

Out of the millions of people who use ephedra products every year, only a very small percentage (I'd be willing to bet less than 1%) have any adverse effects to it. It's because a couple people die that it's blown out of proportion. I bet more old farts have died from viagra, with less users than ephedra users. (Just a hypothesis)

Yep, all out of proportion...........tell that to Steve Bechler, who died of heatstroke yesterday. He was using an Ephedra product to drop some weight. The physical exertion in 81-degree weather, not exactly the heat one expects to see during heat injuries, combined with the ephedra in his system to help him drop some weight, gave him the final weight drop..........the permanent one. Belcher was not exactly an out-of-shape old fart.

"An autopsy will help determine whether Bechler had been taking the dietary supplement ephedrine, which has been linked to heatstroke and heart attacks.

Broward County medical examiner Dr. Joshua Perper acknowledged a published report that a bottle of a supplement containing ephedrine was found in Bechler's locker."

Now, not everyone who takes ephedra keels over and dies, but a drug that speeds up your heart rate, raises your blood pressure, as ephedra and every other stimulant does, is hazardous when taken incorrectly. Unfortunately, a strong stimulant like ephedra should be used under medical direction and is NOT a food supplement or such as its advertised right ow to circumvent current drug laws. Under current drug laws, ephedra's been shown to cause heart attacks, strokes, heatstroke, and other side effects; side effects so dangerous and numerous that if ephedra were under FDA control, it would have been pulled from the market.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Zakath15
What about Xenadrine EXF? Are there any potential side effects with that? AFAIK it doesn't contain any ephedrine.

No one's really answered this question... is a product such as Xenadrine EXF (that does NOT contain ephedrine) safe enough to use as a light daily weight-loss supplement?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Zakath15
What about Xenadrine EXF? Are there any potential side effects with that? AFAIK it doesn't contain any ephedrine.

No one's really answered this question... is a product such as Xenadrine EXF (that does NOT contain ephedrine) safe enough to use as a light daily weight-loss supplement?

 

[StageLeft]

Ephedrine products are not 100% safe, but I think that the safety problems have been blown out of proportion. For the few deaths related to them there are literally millions of people who take them without issue.

Personally I'd think it's a bad idea to take them except to supplement an already successful diet. If you are not losing weight without them you'll grow dependent on them. Prove you can lose weight without, then add such a supplement to increase the effects.

When I first tried these there were no retail products around so I was doing just pure ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin. The stuff definitely does work. You can burn off fat fast and hunger pangs are diminished. I try to pretty much stay away from them now though because if I can do something without supplements I think that's the safesy way to do it - even if it's not the fastest.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: C'DaleRider

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: badluck

neither cause the both can klill you

great response.....so can driving a car.....go away troll....

considering Ephedra has many problems.... i would say he is correct, not a troll.

Disputed Study Calls Ephedra Most Dangerous Herb

MONDAY, Feb. 3 (HealthScoutNews) -- A study of data from poison control centers shows the controversial supplement ephedra is by far the most dangerous herbal product on the market, San Francisco researchers claim.

While ephedra accounted for less that 1 percent of herbal supplement sales in 2001, it was responsible for 62 percent of all the herbal-related reports made to poison control centers that year, says a study that will appear in the March 18 issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine.

Out of the millions of people who use ephedra products every year, only a very small percentage (I'd be willing to bet less than 1%) have any adverse effects to it. It's because a couple people die that it's blown out of proportion. I bet more old farts have died from viagra, with less users than ephedra users. (Just a hypothesis)

Yep, all out of proportion...........tell that to Steve Bechler, who died of heatstroke yesterday. He was using an Ephedra product to drop some weight. The physical exertion in 81-degree weather, not exactly the heat one expects to see during heat injuries, combined with the ephedra in his system to help him drop some weight, gave him the final weight drop..........the permanent one. Belcher was not exactly an out-of-shape old fart.

"An autopsy will help determine whether Bechler had been taking the dietary supplement ephedrine, which has been linked to heatstroke and heart attacks.

Broward County medical examiner Dr. Joshua Perper acknowledged a published report that a bottle of a supplement containing ephedrine was found in Bechler's locker."

Now, not everyone who takes ephedra keels over and dies, but a drug that speeds up your heart rate, raises your blood pressure, as ephedra and every other stimulant does, is hazardous when taken incorrectly. Unfortunately, a strong stimulant like ephedra should be used under medical direction and is NOT a food supplement or such as its advertised right ow to circumvent current drug laws. Under current drug laws, ephedra's been shown to cause heart attacks, strokes, heatstroke, and other side effects; side effects so dangerous and numerous that if ephedra were under FDA control, it would have been pulled from the market.

Wow, name the last person other than him to die of ephedra and then tell me the current number of ephedra users. It's a VERY SMALL percentage of total ephedra users. Oh look - one guy died! And he was famous! Ephedra is the antichrist of supplements! I'm not doubting or denying in any fashion that it's not hazardous to your health, but the extent to which it is is COMPLETLY blown out of proportion. One athlete out of MILLIONS of athletes who take ephedra based product dies and suddenly "HEY EPHEDRA CAN BE BAD FOR YOU!" The fact that you pointed out one isolated athlete's case IS BLOWING IT OUT OF PROPORTION compared to the number of athletes and non-athletes total who take it and are still alive and well today.

 

[SnapIT]

It burns calories, great if you are too lazy to take a brisk walk...

I have never had any use for the stuff, why should i waste my money when walking is free?

The whole Ephedra discussion, yes, it is true that Ephedra can be dangerous, in fact, more dangerous than the more potent Clenbuterol and Salbutamol (or the longer acting Salmeterol) because it is "less clean" meaning it does not make a good fit at the receptor site...

However, as you will not see the thyroid degradation with ephedra, i suppose it has some use...

 

[UCDznutz]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Zakath15
What about Xenadrine EXF? Are there any potential side effects with that? AFAIK it doesn't contain any ephedrine.

No one's really answered this question... is a product such as Xenadrine EXF (that does NOT contain ephedrine) safe enough to use as a light daily weight-loss supplement?

i tried that Xenadrine EFX stuff after i tried Stacker 2 and it just didn't have the same kick without the ephedrine.

i've stuck with stacker 2 since it helped me lose about 40 lbs and after this bottle's done i probably won't need any more since my body feels in good shape now.

 

[Koing]

didn't know so many people here used pills to cut............

I wouldn't do anything that messed with the natural workings of my body.

I eat lots of fruit, my diet is a bit *pants* at the moment but thats because I am at Uni but when I was at home it was *almost perfect*. Train a lot etc.

No pills for me.

For me taking pills to get cut would be *cheating* to me and on that reason alone I wouldn't take it. I don't take any supplements to get bigger or stronger and I am a competitive lifter with some trophies to my name.

If it works for you great. I too believe that the thing is blown out of proportion but still the 1% chance of isn't amusing either...

btw whats the chance of a *medical medicene* having a chance that it will kill you? Just trying to compare this figure with Ephedines........

 

[BD231]

Take Thermal Cuts by Sci Fit, no chromium to screw with your glucose levels and it's cheap. Ephedra in plant form is called MaHuang (which is what is used in these supplements). People get the Plant form mixed up with Phen Phen which is the dangorus stuff made up in ladratiories, MaHuang is not bad for you at all if the dose is kept under 100mg a day (these weight loss pills have you taking 40 to 60 a day tops). It is said that white willow bark and MaHuang combined can cause heart valve problems in large amounts, but all current forms of these supplements (aside from the HORRIBLE Metabolife) use a VERY small amount of willow bark to counter any side effects of MaHuang, the only way your going to hurt yourself at all with these pills is taking way more than the recomended dose (these are the people who have killed themselfs).

MaHuang has been used in China/Asian countries to to take care of Asthma, Common Colds and flu symptoms for hundreds of years. Just take what's recomended and there's nothing to worry about, a healthy body is more than capeable of handling these supplemts in moderate amounts.

Koing~

These pills are for people with slow metabolisms or people who have weight to loose but limited amounts of will power. Nobody should be taking these pills otherwise IMO, if a small amount keeps you "cut" then there's really no harm in it, you'd be worse off drinking coffee every morning.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: SnapIT
It burns calories, great if you are too lazy to take a brisk walk...

I have never had any use for the stuff, why should i waste my money when walking is free?

The whole Ephedra discussion, yes, it is true that Ephedra can be dangerous, in fact, more dangerous than the more potent Clenbuterol and Salbutamol (or the longer acting Salmeterol) because it is "less clean" meaning it does not make a good fit at the receptor site...

However, as you will not see the thyroid degradation with ephedra, i suppose it has some use...

I work out often, 3 times a week, weights and running - I walk every where (around 10-15 miles a week or so) as well. I'm a fairly healthy eater, lots of fruits and vegetables, not many carbs (except the occasional bowl of ramen). I snack more than I should, but that isn't normally an issue, I don't think.

The point is, I'm still gaining weight - around 40 pounds in the last two years. Way more than is healthy.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: BD231
Take Thermal Cuts by Sci Fit, no chromium to screw with your glucose levels and it's cheap. Ephedra in plant form is called MaHuang (which is what is used in these supplements). People get the Plant form mixed up with Phen Phen which is the dangorus stuff made up in ladratiories, MaHuang is not bad for you at all if the dose is kept under 100mg a day (these weight loss pills have you taking 40 to 60 a day tops). It is said that white willow bark and MaHuang combined can cause heart valve problems in large amounts, but all current forms of these supplements (aside from the HORRIBLE Metabolife) use a VERY small amount of willow bark to counter any side effects of MaHuang, the only way your going to hurt yourself at all with these pills is taking way more than the recomended dose (these are the people who have killed themselfs).

MaHuang has been used in China/Asian countries to to take care of Asthma, Common Colds and flu symptoms for hundreds of years. Just take what's recomended and there's nothing to worry about, a healthy body is more than capeable of handling these supplemts in moderate amounts.

Hmmm, chromium screws with your glucose levels?

Actually, it only has an effect if you are low on chromium in your diet, and then the effect is positive as it raises insulin sensitivity and stabilizes your insulin levels...

White willow bark is NOT used to counter the side effects of MaHuang (ephedra), it is used to elevate the thermogenic effects of Ephedrine, it is used instead of aspirine (as aspririne is an extract from white willow bark, so DON'T take it if you cannot take aspirine!!!!!)...

The thermogenic effects of the Ephedrine/Caffeine/aspirine stack are not that great, it burns CALORIES, not fat, you want to save some money, just walk a little or eat a bit less, it is healthier and it will work better in the long run...

Even though ECA stacks do not screw up your thyroid as bad as the more potent thermogenics it does mess with it, so your best bet for long term fat reduction is to avoid it completely...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: SnapIT
It burns calories, great if you are too lazy to take a brisk walk...

I have never had any use for the stuff, why should i waste my money when walking is free?

The whole Ephedra discussion, yes, it is true that Ephedra can be dangerous, in fact, more dangerous than the more potent Clenbuterol and Salbutamol (or the longer acting Salmeterol) because it is "less clean" meaning it does not make a good fit at the receptor site...

However, as you will not see the thyroid degradation with ephedra, i suppose it has some use...

I work out often, 3 times a week, weights and running - I walk every where (around 10-15 miles a week or so) as well. I'm a fairly healthy eater, lots of fruits and vegetables, not many carbs (except the occasional bowl of ramen). I snack more than I should, but that isn't normally an issue, I don't think.

So skip some of the snacks and don't use thermogenics, the effects will be the same... less calories ingested means fewer calories to burn...

It is a thermogenic, not a fat loss agent...

Lots of fruit and vegetables means lots of carbs, not only that, but fructose carbs that, even though they are absorbed at a lower rate, decreases insulin sensitivity... You want a healthier way to eat your veggies? Fry them... (yup, the asian kitchen knows how to do it...)

 

[Dznuts007]

As a health care professional, I never recommend any of these products. Most will not listen because they have the idea of "I wanna lose weight fast" in their mind and everything else, including professional opinions are ignored. If you think you know what's best for you or if you think you know what you're doing, go ahead. No one's stopping you. I would compare the ingredients in both, and which ever has the most ephedra per dollar amount, I would go for. Why spend more killing yourself? Heh heh...

 

[Geekbabe]

I see all these supplements being advertised but it's kind of confusing,what are the best ones for a newbie to try?

 

[FrustratedUser]

How does this stuff work?

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
I see all these supplements being advertised but it's kind of confusing,what are the best ones for a newbie to try?

It's a new magic pill called "Gotothegymexerciseregularlyandwatchwhatyoueat".

I had a buddy die this past January of a heart attack while out to see the Super Bowl. He and a few other buddies were lucky enough to get hooked up with the tickets, and they flew out the Thursday of the game. He went to the gym the day before just to get his normal workout in when he collapsed in the middle of working out, right at the gym. The autopsy showed the cause of death was a heart attack brought on by an excessive amount of ephedra. Sure, now you're going to start hearing about the dangers of this drug now because of Bechler, but it really makes you think of all the ones you DON'T hear about, everyone that's not famous and just looking for a quick fix to losing a few pounds.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
I see all these supplements being advertised but it's kind of confusing,what are the best ones for a newbie to try?

It's a new magic pill called "Gotothegymexerciseregularlyandwatchwhatyoueat".

I had a buddy die this past January of a heart attack while out to see the Super Bowl. He and a few other buddies were lucky enough to get hooked up with the tickets, and they flew out the Thursday of the game. He went to the gym the day before just to get his normal workout in when he collapsed in the middle of working out, right at the gym. The autopsy showed the cause of death was a heart attack brought on by an excessive amount of ephedra. Sure, now you're going to start hearing about the dangers of this drug now because of Bechler, but it really makes you think of all the ones you DON'T hear about, everyone that's not famous and just looking for a quick fix to losing a few pounds.

I do exercise and watch what I eat very carefully,I've managed to take off excess weight and been successful at keeping it off (no weight gain over the winter months here) I ask because one see's so many Ads for various products that would appear to be helpful to those who do exercise regularly in helping them blast off that last bit of fat.Isn't Ephedra similar to what's used for people with allergies,asthma? I've been treated in an emergency with Euphedrine sp? and it cleared my airway but made my heart feel like it was doing a jack hammer routine.

 

[ander]

If you just finished a few weeks with Xenadrine you should wait at least a month and a half before starting another program.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: TheEvil1

Originally posted by: badluck

neither cause the both can klill you

great response.....so can driving a car.....go away troll....

im not trolling ass itf fukin true! moron

i know 2 people that have dies cause of this crap. young people in their 20's and in good health. taking it to loose weight and bulk up. the both had heart attacks and died.

its bad for you. IIRC its not FDA dosent liek it either. O and another thing 2 years ago my roomate called teh Stacker company to see how much efedra is in teh stackers and they said that they werent allowed to release that kind of information. kinda makes you think

Its not called "HERBAL Extacy" for teh hell of it

I would imagine 90% of those that died because of it took more than the recommended dose. The remaining 10% were either severely allergic to ephedra or had one of the conditions on the bottle and decided to take it anyways. Spellchecker is your friend, dude. My head hurts from reading your post.

 

[vi edit]

Spellchecker is your friend, dude. My head hurts from reading your post.

Aye. Same here. You actually have to go out of your way and TRY to type that pathetically bad.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: LedZeppelin

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
I see all these supplements being advertised but it's kind of confusing,what are the best ones for a newbie to try?

It's a new magic pill called "Gotothegymexerciseregularlyandwatchwhatyoueat".

I had a buddy die this past January of a heart attack while out to see the Super Bowl. He and a few other buddies were lucky enough to get hooked up with the tickets, and they flew out the Thursday of the game. He went to the gym the day before just to get his normal workout in when he collapsed in the middle of working out, right at the gym. The autopsy showed the cause of death was a heart attack brought on by an excessive amount of ephedra. Sure, now you're going to start hearing about the dangers of this drug now because of Bechler, but it really makes you think of all the ones you DON'T hear about, everyone that's not famous and just looking for a quick fix to losing a few pounds.

I do exercise and watch what I eat very carefully,I've managed to take off excess weight and been successful at keeping it off (no weight gain over the winter months here) I ask because one see's so many Ads for various products that would appear to be helpful to those who do exercise regularly in helping them blast off that last bit of fat.Isn't Ephedra similar to what's used for people with allergies,asthma? I've been treated in an emergency with Euphedrine sp? and it cleared my airway but made my heart feel like it was doing a jack hammer routine.

I don't take any of that garbage. In my opinion, it's all a money making scam for the companies pushing them pills out. I wonder how many of them are actually FDA approved. There's a reason the NCAA, NBA, NFL ban those sort of drugs. I'd stick to regular vitamins and stuff that your doctor would recommend.