Xeon L5639 Overclocking on X58

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Makaveli

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Umm ok.. so my 2.66Ghz Xeon is overclocked by 70% to 4.5Ghz and your 3.2Ghz i7 is similar? 70% overclock would be 5.44Ghz..

Hmm, which overclocks better/has more headroom? 95 watt 2.66Ghz Xeon or 130 watt 3.2Ghz i7?

It is obvious to me, and can be deduced simply with a calculator, which one is stretching the most, and overclocking better..

Staples nor Radioshack near me had a Kill A Watt meter.. Do I really need one? It should be obvious..

When I said that I mean overall ceiling for your overclock.

If you want to look at percentages from your stock speed to mine you are correct.

However my point being all of these chips can hit 4-4.2Ghz and above that you need to start loading up the voltage and you get to a point where the amount of volts requires is not worth the clock speed and heat it generates.

Also if I dropped the multipler on my chip and ran the same 2.66Ghz stock speed do you think my chip will still be pulling 130watts or close to 95 watts?

Interesting finding, my mild 3.44GHz overclock (all I did was bump the BCLK to 150, did not bump any voltage) is actually not stable: I got a blue screen as soon as I ran the Intel Burn Test.
Didn't get any blue screen before that during any gaming session. The test is obviously way more intensive on the CPU.

so I went back to stock speed (3.07GHz) and no more blue screen.

temps never went above 50°C.
without any OC, min temps are between 20°C and 25°C, and I am idling between 24°C and 28°C.
what a huge improvement over the 45nm 130W i7-920.

You will see an improvement and its due to 32nm vs 45nm I noticed the difference right away on my system when I went from a 920 DO to my current cpu.
 
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Makaveli

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Who shit in his Wheaties today ?

D:

If you are referring to me nobody.

I've had this same discussion with burpo before and I think earlier in this thread.

If any of you think I'm wrong then speak up I would love to hear your opinions and why.
 

Burpo

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When I said that I mean overall ceiling for your overclock.

If you want to look at percentages from your stock speed to mine you are correct.

That's all i've been trying to say. These Xeons overclock further (ie better) than the 130 watt CPUs. I hear what you're saying about "ceiling" tho, and yes we've had this discussion before. I really should get a Kill A Watt and find out how much power requirement vs performance difference there is. I think we talked about doing that. My house needs so much stuff that I can't justify an X5675, but pretty sure I could run 5Ghz with that 95 watt cpu reliably & still manage temps.
 
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XavierMace

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Will your HP DL380 G6 do this?


That's why they are still willing to pay a premium for the boards..

No, but since I've got twice the threads and twice the memory channels I would think we'd probably still be pretty even on horsepower when it comes down to it.

I think my point may have been missed. If you have an X58 board, picking up one of these Xeon's is a no brainer, it's an unbelievable bargain regardless if you're overclocking. I'm completely on board with that.

The boards on the other hand are going for higher than new prices (some look to be close to double their original price) and lack features like good SATA3/USB3 that you can get on a new board that's half the price or less.

Don't get me wrong the amount of overclocking potential is impressive. But at stock clocks a 5820K will obliterate an X5690 from everything I see. How much of an overclock do you need on one of these to match a Haswell-E and how much power are you using at that point? Again, serious question, not trying to sound like a dick.

That brings me to, if you're doing something that benefits from eeking out every last bit of power (rendering, etc), then power per watt has to enter into the equation. Especially if you're doing this for business purposes. I used to have a DL580G5 (4x Xeon x7460's, 2.66Ghz 6 cores). But that system used about 1,000 watts constant. I replaced that with the previously mentioned DL380G6 that pulls 145w. That's a $70/mo difference at $0.10/kwh. That adds up pretty quickly.

Again, not arguing the value of the processor. Questioning the wisdom of spending that kind of money on an outdated motherboard.
 

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Venoom

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My house needs so much stuff that I can't justify an X5675, but pretty sure I could run 5Ghz with that 95 watt cpu reliably & still manage temps.

wouldn't that mean 220 BCLK given the 23 multiplier?
would that really be stable?
 

CP5670

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No, but since I've got twice the threads and twice the memory channels I would think we'd probably still be pretty even on horsepower when it comes down to it.

I think my point may have been missed. If you have an X58 board, picking up one of these Xeon's is a no brainer, it's an unbelievable bargain regardless if you're overclocking. I'm completely on board with that.

The boards on the other hand are going for higher than new prices (some look to be close to double their original price) and lack features like good SATA3/USB3 that you can get on a new board that's half the price or less.

Don't get me wrong the amount of overclocking potential is impressive. But at stock clocks a 5820K will obliterate an X5690 from everything I see. How much of an overclock do you need on one of these to match a Haswell-E and how much power are you using at that point? Again, serious question, not trying to sound like a dick.

That brings me to, if you're doing something that benefits from eeking out every last bit of power (rendering, etc), then power per watt has to enter into the equation. Especially if you're doing this for business purposes. I used to have a DL580G5 (4x Xeon x7460's, 2.66Ghz 6 cores). But that system used about 1,000 watts constant. I replaced that with the previously mentioned DL380G6 that pulls 145w. That's a $70/mo difference at $0.10/kwh. That adds up pretty quickly.

Again, not arguing the value of the processor. Questioning the wisdom of spending that kind of money on an outdated motherboard.

In full disclosure, I agree with you. I was thinking of getting a Xeon at one point but decided against it, after finding a good 4790K combo deal at Microcenter and seeing how much the X58 boards were selling for on ebay. I figured I could undercut ebay significantly and still get a good price for it on here. I also upgrade much less often than I once used to (the X58/920 setup lasted a good six years) and didn't want to remain on the old platform for another several years, especially without USB 3. The Xeon is a good budget option, especially if you have a specific use for the two extra cores (which I did not), but if you're paying $200+ for one of these motherboards you might as well get a modern system instead.
 

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Part of the rub on switching from x58 to x97 platform, is the cost of the new CPU and board. But I got a sweet Microcenter combo deal last weekend, on an i7-4790K CPU and decent x79 board, for $300 total. If the Xeon costs me $100, that is only around a $200 difference. And I could also sell the X58 board and CPU to bring that difference down further. So for the most part, the cost saving sticking with x58 and getting Xeon is reduced in my particular case. For me the decision is more about performance and capability (PC is not used for games, mainly application design and video editing/effects).

X97 gets me proper fast Sata III for my fast Samsung SSDs (my x58 board has poorly implemented slow add-on Marvell Sata III), and gets me some on board USB 3.0 connectors and a few other things I would like. And i7-4790K is no slug either. I feel it represents a decent upgrade in performance and capability from the current setup. Maybe not as much an upgrade were I to install a 6 core Xeon, but still an upgrade in a number of respects (particularly in Sata III ports and single threading). Would you guys recommend sticking with my plan to swap the i7-4790k/x97 in place of the i7-950/x58? Or would you recommend sticking with x58 and getting a Xeon? (Keeping in mind the financial incentive to stick with x58 is a bit less in my case.)

bizarre combo seeing that they don't actually work together.
 

Burpo

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wouldn't that mean 220 BCLK given the 23 multiplier?
would that really be stable?

My Asus board would lock an X5675 @ 25X 200bclk and be a beast.. Not so easy with your EVGA.. good luck!
 
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jihe

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And i'm on a i7 130watt 200 bclk stable 24x7 so yes I don't see it.

From everyone in this thread that has been posting I don't see any of you showing me numbers better than what I can do with my chip! 5Ghz suicide runs don't mean anything.

So yes burpo i've yet to see evidence of these xeon being superior overclockers when you are comparing at 32nm!

And what good is that 2nd qpi link going to do in a single socket board????

And why do you keep quoting 5-6 year old retail prices like that is suppose to mean something?
The only advantage of 32nm xeon over 32nm i7 is price, oh and ecc support. I run ecc ram just because they are cheaper, and it's kind of nice to see the functionality actually being used (as reported by memtest).
 

Makaveli

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The only advantage of 32nm xeon over 32nm i7 is price, oh and ecc support. I run ecc ram just because they are cheaper, and it's kind of nice to see the functionality actually being used (as reported by memtest).

ahh yes forgot about ECC support thanks.
 

Venoom

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My Asus board would lock an X5675 @ 25X 200bclk and be a beast.. Not so easy with your EVGA.. good luck!
what? how?
I thought only one core can go up to 25x... isn't the X5675 a 23x CPU?

The only advantage of 32nm xeon over 32nm i7 is price, oh and ecc support. I run ecc ram just because they are cheaper, and it's kind of nice to see the functionality actually being used (as reported by memtest).
isn't ECC RAM harder to overclock?
 

Burpo

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Chip max's out at 26X (turbo's to 3.5Ghz) 25 can be locked if your board allows it..
 

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The only advantage of 32nm xeon over 32nm i7 is price, oh and ecc support. I run ecc ram just because they are cheaper, and it's kind of nice to see the functionality actually being used (as reported by memtest).

I actually wanted to use ECC ram. I was under the impression that both motherboard and CPU should support ECC. Registered ECC RAM is cheaper in ebay (used) than unbuffered ECC. I don't think unbuffered ECC is any cheaper than non-ECC. I haven't seen any single CPU motherboard with registered-ECC support.
 

Makaveli

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isn't ECC RAM harder to overclock?

I would say it is because most boards that have ECC support are server boards and workstations boards and the bioses on these tend to be locked down. Stability is a priority over just performance as it should be in a business environment.

You also take a slight performance hit from the error checking but it isn't large I saw it in the 1%-5% range.
 
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ChinatownWizard

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Just bought an x5650 to go with my gigabyte x58 udr 3 mobo. I have 1300 ddr3 ram. Tried upping the base clock, turning on turbo, turning on xmp, but i dont know too much beyond that, and it crashes, reboots goes back to safe stock settings.
Anyone have any solid numbers I could use to fine tune this thing, please?
Shall I buy faster ram?
I have a single radiator water cooler on it. Dual sli gtx 580s.
1200 watt power source.
I don't want to hit 4.0 but I do want a little boost.
thanks
 
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Venoom

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Is it correct to say that if I get my BCLK to 200, which would give me a 4.6GHz overclock on my X5675 (23x), that I can keep the RAM at 1'600MHz with a 2:8 ratio?
So even for such a high overclock, I would not need more than the 1'600 DDR3 RAM which I already have?
 
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