Xfire missfires

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Crossfire leaves vapor trails.

Or maybe you are right and Ati is doomed and all of us who have read the tea leaves and feel something nice is on the way are really dumb and not really smart like you.

Hey, if you can't handle the opinion of another person, don't play.
I reposted the link for MORPH because as the thread went on, it seemed he got lost in his own ridiculousness. I wanted to refresh his memory.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Crossfire leaves vapor trails.

Or maybe you are right and Ati is doomed and all of us who have read the tea leaves and feel something nice is on the way are really dumb and not really smart like you.

Hey, if you can't handle the opinion of another person, don't play.
I reposted the link for MORPH because as the thread went on, it seemed he got lost in his own ridiculousness. I wanted to refresh his memory.

Your opinion on graphic cards is often interesting. Your opinion on people and your sense of fanboy gang warfare is a little lacking, but such is life, eh?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Crossfire leaves vapor trails.

Or maybe you are right and Ati is doomed and all of us who have read the tea leaves and feel something nice is on the way are really dumb and not really smart like you.

Hey, if you can't handle the opinion of another person, don't play.
I reposted the link for MORPH because as the thread went on, it seemed he got lost in his own ridiculousness. I wanted to refresh his memory.

Your opinion on graphic cards is often interesting. Your opinion on people and your sense of fanboy gang warfare is a little lacking, but such is life, eh?

Thank you. And I find that most people tend to dissappoint. Very few can be relied on and they are hard to find. I have no idea what fanboy gang warfare is, most likely because I am not a fanboy. To your disbelief I am sure. I just call things as I see them. Not much more to it really.

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Crossfire will truly shine with R520. I expect to see plenty of CrossFire boards and cards shortly after October 5.

I'd love to see that aswell. According to Sander on his latest article the X1800XT and X1800XT PE's won't be available until November 5th 2005. I hope he's wrong.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Crossfire will truly shine with R520. I expect to see plenty of CrossFire boards and cards shortly after October 5.

I'd love to see that aswell. According to Sander on his latest article the X1800XT and X1800XT PE's won't be available until November 5th 2005. I hope he's wrong.

I hope he's wrong also.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Thank you. And I find that most people tend to dissappoint. Very few can be relied on and they are hard to find. I have no idea what fanboy gang warfare is, most likely because I am not a fanboy. To your disbelief I am sure. I just call things as I see them. Not much more to it really.

You really do have a wicked sense of humour, and about yourself also. Almost English really. Sorry that you have found the people in your life a disapointment (this is real), is a big, huge, bummer.

 

[lifeguard1999]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
ATi still holds the largest share of the graphics business ...

No, Intel is the largest graphics player due to their integrated graphics.

 

[ronnn]

More like their integrated lack of graphics, but sure does sell.

 

[KeepItRed]

I wish AMD made integrated graphics. They'd pwn Intel.

 

[ronnn]

Well ati certainly pwned them and I think nvidia has paper launched something or is it available?

 

[lifeguard1999]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
I wish AMD made integrated graphics. They'd pwn Intel.

Sorry, but Intel produces far more chips than AMD does. If AMD made such a chip, it still would not outsell Intel.

It would be cool though for AMD (or Intel for that matter) to make a chip that was CPU, GPU, and memory controller all-in-one. If I remember correctly, Intel tried it and cancelled it.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
ATi still holds the largest share of the graphics business so methinks you are exaggerating about how poor of shape they're in. For the holiday season they'll have a complete lineup of next-gen tech video cards so I think they'll do quite well. If you really think they're doing that bad, why not put your money where your mouth is and sell their stock short?

ibm holds the biggest share of the graphics market.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Crossfire leaves vapor trails.

So what, that is the rant that started all this? Am I supposed to get indignant? As I said before, I just personally don't see the hurry or the importance. Just be a waste of money to produce these boards that no one will buy.

see, this is where i have a problem... what difference does it make how YOU personally percieve it? just because it's not important to YOU, it's ok for ati to lie about product availability, releases, etc.? you're missing the big picture because you're too busy looking at it from the perspective of "it's all about you".

while i agree it's a niche market, i said the same thing with nvidia's sli. i don't doubt for a minute tho that if the roles were reversed, and nvidia could not supply the product as promised, you and many of your fellow ati enthusiasts would have beat that horse to death.

the bottom line is it's not a big deal because any of us made it that way, it's a big deal because ati made it a big deal, and frankly crossfire is not the only product plagued by delays and false promises.

When the r520 comes out and if it is the fastest - especially at the 3dmark I have the best computer contest - or better yet the r580 - they will sell. The big issue now for Ati is a successful launch that leaves them with good sales in at least the mid range area. Better yet would be a good old ass kicking of the gtx, but for us consumers a nice competitive balance is best. Or maybe you are right and Ati is doomed and all of us who have read the tea leaves and feel something nice is on the way are really dumb and not really smart like you.

the "ati is doomed" banter by the naysayers really isn't realistic (at least it's way too soon to be), but WE as consumers should expect better service and accurate information from companies such as ati. they get away with all the PR bull$ht because we let them. i have no problem for those who like their products -- hell, i like them. but how about making them accountable? is that such a terrible thing?

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: KeepItRed

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Crossfire will truly shine with R520. I expect to see plenty of CrossFire boards and cards shortly after October 5.

I'd love to see that aswell. According to Sander on his latest article the X1800XT and X1800XT PE's won't be available until November 5th 2005. I hope he's wrong.

I hope he's wrong also.

he's not.

ati has been the one stating (or perhaps i should say "admitting"? heh...) their "flagship" cards will follow approx 30 days after the r520 announcement.

hmmm... "announcement".. does that mean paper launch? has ati ever used the term "r520 release", or has it always been "r520 announcement"?

 

[ZobarStyl]

Yeah, Cainam's saying what we all know but the ATi people just keep putting their hands over their ears like it won't be true. ATi has specifically said their flagship card will be 30 days later, so factoring in that said figure is in AST (ATi Standard Time) we should expect them, oh, say...January.

Joking aside, don't expect this card in volume on Oct 5 or even Nov 5...despite all our hopes that ATi would follow the precedent the G70 launch set, they don't seem to care or more likely, can't make enough x1800XT's to pull a full availibility launch but need some sort of competitor to 7800GTX before year end, or else they look weak.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Crossfire leaves vapor trails.

So what, that is the rant that started all this? Am I supposed to get indignant? As I said before, I just personally don't see the hurry or the importance. Just be a waste of money to produce these boards that no one will buy.

see, this is where i have a problem... what difference does it make how YOU personally percieve it? just because it's not important to YOU, it's ok for ati to lie about product availability, releases, etc.? you're missing the big picture because you're too busy looking at it from the perspective of "it's all about you".

while i agree it's a niche market, i said the same thing with nvidia's sli. i don't doubt for a minute tho that if the roles were reversed, and nvidia could not supply the product as promised, you and many of your fellow ati enthusiasts would have beat that horse to death.

the bottom line is it's not a big deal because any of us made it that way, it's a big deal because ati made it a big deal, and frankly crossfire is not the only product plagued by delays and false promises.

When the r520 comes out and if it is the fastest - especially at the 3dmark I have the best computer contest - or better yet the r580 - they will sell. The big issue now for Ati is a successful launch that leaves them with good sales in at least the mid range area. Better yet would be a good old ass kicking of the gtx, but for us consumers a nice competitive balance is best. Or maybe you are right and Ati is doomed and all of us who have read the tea leaves and feel something nice is on the way are really dumb and not really smart like you.

the "ati is doomed" banter by the naysayers really isn't realistic (at least it's way too soon to be), but WE as consumers should expect better service and accurate information from companies such as ati. they get away with all the PR bull$ht because we let them. i have no problem for those who like their products -- hell, i like them. but how about making them accountable? is that such a terrible thing?

Yes ati did announce the time for availability before having any idea what problems they would encounter. Was very stupid. Nvidia announced special drivers would come to make the 6800 line play something called pure video. Never surfaced. Not that this excuses Ati, but shyt happens. So you all, have obviously forgiven Nvidia for optomized drivers, bs video, shimmering and the 5200 with 256mb ram and if Ati has something nice - the haters will be pissing in the wind. Such is life.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Yeah, Cainam's saying what we all know but the ATi people just keep putting their hands over their ears like it won't be true. ATi has specifically said their flagship card will be 30 days later, so factoring in that said figure is in AST (ATi Standard Time) we should expect them, oh, say...January.

Link please ?

Just to let you know, Rollo was spreading the same BS & couldnt back that up. :laugh:

 

[ZobarStyl]

It's not BS just because fanboys like you can't be bothered with such tedious points like reading comprehension. The Inq had this directly from an ATi rep quite a while back, but you've been too busy with smear campaigns and defending Xfire, so I assume you missed it (see the first sentence of that post; that would be you I'm referring to). Just because we don't keep a list of links in our favorites titled "In case a fanboy asks for it" doesn't mean it's any less true.

Here's a thought; since you've lambasted nearly every member about this and made it your main priority, we'll just wait 4 days. If we can go to any retailer and have it shipped that day, we'll give you the pat on the back you think you so rightly deserve...if not, well...we can subtract about 180 from your post count because I don't think I've seen you do anything more than defend ATi you entire time here.

Use some logic for once...if products being available at launch was an actual priority for ATi, this thread wouldn't have been started in the first place. You can like ATi's products all you want (and I rather do, for the record) but being fed a complete line of BS then expecting the next sentence be the infallible word of God is just plain silly.

and edit in the likely case you missed it: I won't post about this anymore, I'll wait 4 days for the truth rather than try and convince a brick wall of the obvious.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: rbV5

There was a paper launch back in May

ATI launched Crossfire in May? I don't recall that.

They said it would launch long before it did, I believe they had a "launch party" down in Australia last month?

Anyway, who cares?

The point of the thread is that they for sure paper launched it now, after telling reviewers they would not. The day after the 7800GTX launch, and the 7800GT launch, you could go online and buy products from many vendors at MSRP or less.

This is just another example of ATI bungling where they promised it would not be yet another paper launch, and the cards, motherboards, and dongles are nowhere to be found.

If we can't believe ATI about Crossfire not being a paper launch, why should we believe the R520 will not be yet another paper launch? Are they telling us the truth so far?

Yea, they did announce Crossfire in May, thats true. They also said at that time that Crossfire Products would begin to ship in July Link and now, no products in the channel and its the end of the week. So, LOL, yea you could certainly call it a double paper launch, and be right enough.

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
It's not BS just because fanboys like you can't be bothered with such tedious points like reading comprehension. The Inq had this directly from an ATi rep quite a while back, but you've been too busy with smear campaigns and defending Xfire, so I assume you missed it (see the first sentence of that post; that would be you I'm referring to). Just because we don't keep a list of links in our favorites titled "In case a fanboy asks for it" doesn't mean it's any less true.

Here's a thought; since you've lambasted nearly every member about this and made it your main priority, we'll just wait 4 days. If we can go to any retailer and have it shipped that day, we'll give you the pat on the back you think you so rightly deserve...if not, well...we can subtract about 180 from your post count because I don't think I've seen you do anything more than defend ATi you entire time here.

Use some logic for once...if products being available at launch was an actual priority for ATi, this thread wouldn't have been started in the first place. You can like ATi's products all you want (and I rather do, for the record) but being fed a complete line of BS then expecting the next sentence be the infallible word of God is just plain silly.

and edit in the likely case you missed it: I won't post about this anymore, I'll wait 4 days for the truth rather than try and convince a brick wall of the obvious.

I read somewhere that the R520 will have to be available at launch because they don't want to hurt their "Company image" adding to that; ATI had some news about mass quantities of TMSC's R520 wafers shipping back. This was posted a few weeks ago. Either way, it could come on October 5th, or November 5th.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: rbV5
Yea, they did announce Crossfire in May, thats true. They also said at that time that Crossfire Products would begin to ship in July Link and now, no products in the channel and its the end of the week. So, LOL, yea you could certainly call it a double paper launch, and be right enough.

Wow, good find RBV5. They have been paper launching it all summer! What the heck? I wonder if they'll paper launch it again at Christmas?

Maybe there's a dongle shortage because they have to make them by hand or something?

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
It's not BS just because fanboys like you can't be bothered with such tedious points like reading comprehension. The Inq had this directly from an ATi rep quite a while back, but you've been too busy with smear campaigns and defending Xfire, so I assume you missed it (see the first sentence of that post; that would be you I'm referring to). Just because we don't keep a list of links in our favorites titled "In case a fanboy asks for it" doesn't mean it's any less true.

Its not BS from Inquirer? Ok granted Inq does not spread BS, do you believe Inq's 32 pipe R520 theory ? lmao

Hypocrites.

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Here's a thought; since you've lambasted nearly every member about this and made it your main priority, we'll just wait 4 days.

I havent "lambasted" but questioned the validity of that information.

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
If we can go to any retailer and have it shipped that day, we'll give you the pat on the back you think you so rightly deserve...if not, well...we can subtract about 180 from your post count because I don't think I've seen you do anything more than defend ATi you entire time here.

Go ahead and subtract from my post count right now. Unlike you I give a rats ass about my post count. :laugh:

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Use some logic for once...if products being available at launch was an actual priority for ATi, this thread wouldn't have been started in the first place. You can like ATi's products all you want (and I rather do, for the record) but being fed a complete line of BS then expecting the next sentence be the infallible word of God is just plain silly.

Its not a matter of liking either companies. Just dont spread rumors like facts. I wouldnt believe any rumor from Inq about either companies.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Crossfire leaves vapor trails.

So what, that is the rant that started all this? Am I supposed to get indignant? As I said before, I just personally don't see the hurry or the importance. Just be a waste of money to produce these boards that no one will buy.

see, this is where i have a problem... what difference does it make how YOU personally percieve it? just because it's not important to YOU, it's ok for ati to lie about product availability, releases, etc.? you're missing the big picture because you're too busy looking at it from the perspective of "it's all about you".

while i agree it's a niche market, i said the same thing with nvidia's sli. i don't doubt for a minute tho that if the roles were reversed, and nvidia could not supply the product as promised, you and many of your fellow ati enthusiasts would have beat that horse to death.

the bottom line is it's not a big deal because any of us made it that way, it's a big deal because ati made it a big deal, and frankly crossfire is not the only product plagued by delays and false promises.

When the r520 comes out and if it is the fastest - especially at the 3dmark I have the best computer contest - or better yet the r580 - they will sell. The big issue now for Ati is a successful launch that leaves them with good sales in at least the mid range area. Better yet would be a good old ass kicking of the gtx, but for us consumers a nice competitive balance is best. Or maybe you are right and Ati is doomed and all of us who have read the tea leaves and feel something nice is on the way are really dumb and not really smart like you.

the "ati is doomed" banter by the naysayers really isn't realistic (at least it's way too soon to be), but WE as consumers should expect better service and accurate information from companies such as ati. they get away with all the PR bull$ht because we let them. i have no problem for those who like their products -- hell, i like them. but how about making them accountable? is that such a terrible thing?

Yes ati did announce the time for availability before having any idea what problems they would encounter. Was very stupid. Nvidia announced special drivers would come to make the 6800 line play something called pure video. Never surfaced. Not that this excuses Ati, but shyt happens. So you all, have obviously forgiven Nvidia for optomized drivers, bs video, shimmering and the 5200 with 256mb ram and if Ati has something nice - the haters will be pissing in the wind. Such is life.

I haven't forgiven Nvidia for that!!!! I am still pissed off...I would buy an ATI in a hardbeat if I could convert their crads to firegls as easy as I can nvidia cards to quadros...and then ofcourse have ATI Firegls perform better which they do not at current...I go with performance. I dont game with the bigboys so for me the r520 launch is just another day....

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I haven't forgiven Nvidia for that!!!! I am still pissed off...I would buy an ATI in a hardbeat if I could convert their crads to firegls as easy as I can nvidia cards to quadros...and then ofcourse have ATI Firegls perform better which they do not at current...I go with performance. I dont game with the bigboys so for me the r520 launch is just another day....

DU-vie! Teh Vista is comin' yor nVeedia wil fale!

-Teh Turtle

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Crossfire leaves vapor trails.

So what, that is the rant that started all this? Am I supposed to get indignant? As I said before, I just personally don't see the hurry or the importance. Just be a waste of money to produce these boards that no one will buy.

see, this is where i have a problem... what difference does it make how YOU personally percieve it? just because it's not important to YOU, it's ok for ati to lie about product availability, releases, etc.? you're missing the big picture because you're too busy looking at it from the perspective of "it's all about you".

while i agree it's a niche market, i said the same thing with nvidia's sli. i don't doubt for a minute tho that if the roles were reversed, and nvidia could not supply the product as promised, you and many of your fellow ati enthusiasts would have beat that horse to death.

the bottom line is it's not a big deal because any of us made it that way, it's a big deal because ati made it a big deal, and frankly crossfire is not the only product plagued by delays and false promises.

When the r520 comes out and if it is the fastest - especially at the 3dmark I have the best computer contest - or better yet the r580 - they will sell. The big issue now for Ati is a successful launch that leaves them with good sales in at least the mid range area. Better yet would be a good old ass kicking of the gtx, but for us consumers a nice competitive balance is best. Or maybe you are right and Ati is doomed and all of us who have read the tea leaves and feel something nice is on the way are really dumb and not really smart like you.

the "ati is doomed" banter by the naysayers really isn't realistic (at least it's way too soon to be), but WE as consumers should expect better service and accurate information from companies such as ati. they get away with all the PR bull$ht because we let them. i have no problem for those who like their products -- hell, i like them. but how about making them accountable? is that such a terrible thing?

Yes ati did announce the time for availability before having any idea what problems they would encounter. Was very stupid. Nvidia announced special drivers would come to make the 6800 line play something called pure video. Never surfaced. Not that this excuses Ati, but shyt happens. So you all, have obviously forgiven Nvidia for optomized drivers, bs video, shimmering and the 5200 with 256mb ram and if Ati has something nice - the haters will be pissing in the wind. Such is life.

I haven't forgiven Nvidia for that!!!! I am still pissed off...I would buy an ATI in a hardbeat if I could convert their crads to firegls as easy as I can nvidia cards to quadros...and then ofcourse have ATI Firegls perform better which they do not at current...I go with performance. I dont game with the bigboys so for me the r520 launch is just another day....

Anyways was my point, people can rant all they want, call the next product a failure or in reduced supply. If it creams everything in sight - they would be watching their local retailers like hawks and bragging when they found one. Is why these companies are so tricky/crooked about it all - we don't ever penalize them for it.