xfx HD 4870 1GB

[Durvelle27]

how will this do in games like MW, MW2, MW3, Black OPs, Assassins Creed, BF2, BF3, Dirt, Portal 2 etc

Specs:

FX 4100 @4.2GHz
4GB DDR3 1333MHz
1920x1080 Res

 

[Dankk]

The 4870 is considered a somewhat low-end card at this point. However, it will run all of those games you listed perfectly fine... with the exception of maybe BF3. Don't expect to run BF3 at anything higher than medium settings.

Assassin's Creed is another outlier, only because it's poorly optimized. AC1 seems to always have a few performance issues here and there, regardless of how much graphical power I throw at it.

But other than that you're fine. The rest of the games on that list are either old (BF2, Dirt) or use old engines (Portal 2, all of the CoD games).

Also, in the future, consider posting video-card related questions to the Video Cards & Graphics forum.

 

[ShreddedWheat]

I'm guessing low to medium settings in the newer games; maybe high in older games.

 

[Durvelle27]

ok thx really want be playing any new games other than Call of duty, portal 2, dirt3, and new Assassins Creeds..... just till i get enough money to upgrade to a HD 7850

 

[Dankk]

ok thx really want be playing any new games other than Call of duty, portal 2, dirt3, and new Assassins Creeds..... just till i get enough money to upgrade to a HD 7850

FYI, you can play *any* new game you want with a 4870. Just not on High settings. That's all.

 

[shortylickens]

Thats exactly the card I had a couple years ago. It can play Crysis on medium settings. Dont expect too much on modern games, but they will work. Its certainly a lot better than Intel HD.

 

[Durvelle27]

ok thx for all the help

 

[shortylickens]

 

[Durvelle27]

lol i'm no noob

 

[BurnItDwn]

I've got a 4870 in my old phenom2 box ... it generally handles most games OK. I run 1920x1080 and usually leave on 4xAA as well. That said, the newest games I play are probably Civ5 or Kerbal Space Program ... and Kerbal Space Program tends to run like crap on my i5 box with crossfired 6870s too ... (I like to build crazy ships with like 11 stages)

 

[Durvelle27]

AA and AF don't matter since im using this 4870 and is your cpu a dual or quad

 

[borisvodofsky]

You computer is completely not capable of running those games at competitive levels, or even enjoyable levels. '

Had you listened to us when we told you that the AMD cpu is a piece of trash, disaster might've been adverted.

However as it stands, even if you get a 7850 at this point you've be locking away about 30-40% of it's performance because the fx4100 CPU is a bottom barrel chip and the definition of EPIC FAIL when it comes to gaming performance.

It will pretty much bottleneck ANYTHING that you add to your computer. Memory performance, SSD performance, Graphics performance, even Windows runs slower.


That said, it shouldn't be too hard to sell your current setup, recover the losses, and build a new intel rig, which will take your gaming to where "you" want it to be.


And yes, you're "the" n00b.

 

[Durvelle27]

nah i'll stick with my AMD setup its better than a crappy i3 and its doing just fine

 

[mwmorph]

You computer is completely not capable of running those games at competitive levels, or even enjoyable levels. '

Had you listened to us when we told you that the AMD cpu is a piece of trash, disaster might've been adverted.

However as it stands, even if you get a 7850 at this point you've be locking away about 30-40% of it's performance because the fx4100 CPU is a bottom barrel chip and the definition of EPIC FAIL when it comes to gaming performance.

It will pretty much bottleneck ANYTHING that you add to your computer. Memory performance, SSD performance, Graphics performance, even Windows runs slower.


That said, it shouldn't be too hard to sell your current setup, recover the losses, and build a new intel rig, which will take your gaming to where "you" want it to be.


And yes, you're "the" n00b.

I have no idea where you get your information form, but the cpu is not that big of a deal.

The FX-4100 is a decent choice for the price if he was absolutely budget constrained. A i3-2120 is better for ~$20 more, but considering he's putting a card from 2008 in his rig, it probably came down to a budget concern.

The CPU itself will probably give around 5% lower FPS average in most games (with Starcraft 2 in high supply high demans situations being the outlier that's bound by CPU performance with a 7850 level card) at 1920x1080 high settings compared to a stock i3 2120 with a 7850 is not a super high end card. With a 4870, the difference would be minimal since the 4870 will be the bottleneck in any modern game. A good cpu is awesome to have, but given price constraints the FX-4100 at 4.2ghz is not too bad. The FX-4170 (A FX-4100 at 4.2ghz stock clocks) does alright in game benchmarks at real playable resolutions.

Source for a stock FX-4100 v.s. i3 2100

For everyday work that doesn't involve encoding, the difference will be negligible. Considering that even 1080p flash videos run fine on ULV i3s found in cheap laptops, you'll be alright.

A real point of concern is in your case and psu. The Storm Scout has a certain style if you like that, but cooling performance is not very good. That's not a show stopper if you're okay with that though.

The big problem is your PSU. It looks like you got a generic 850w, which if correctly rated would be massive overkill for your system, problem is that with generics, they're usually untrustworthy once you exceed half the wattage rating and some of them will burn out, taking other computer components with it.

Even if it doesn't die, voltage and ripple can be way outside of ATX spec and that could take components out also. The power supply is the one place you never want to cheap out on and frankly a $40, 850w PSU is not something I would trust running my pc. I've seen some PSUs that even during idle pulling only 20% of max load putting out ripple 3x beyond ATX spec, which will lead to a slow but sure death for your system.

I would switch out the PSU asap for something reliable. If money is a issue, I'd recommend a Corsair CX430. Never, ever, ever buy a generic PSU unless you can find a good professional review that opens it up and looks at the interals as well as does benchmark checks. Anandtech and Johnnyguru do great psu reviews.

There are only a few PSU companies that are truly trustworthy without having to check for model reviews:
Tier 1
Corsair
Seasonic
PC Power & Cooling
Antec
Enermax
Silverstone

Tier 2
Sparkle
FSP

A generic PSU from china with no UL number that I can find from a manufacturer without a website selling a 4 lb including packaging (weight usually correlates with PSU quality) $40 850w psu raises way too many red flags and I would not trust it to keep my PC alive if I were you.

 

[Durvelle27]

I have no idea where you get your information form, but the cpu is not that big of a deal.

The FX-4100 is a decent choice for the price if he was absolutely budget constrained. A i3-2120 is better for ~$20 more, but considering he's putting a card from 2008 in his rig, it probably came down to a budget concern.

The CPU itself will probably give around 5% lower FPS average in most games (with Starcraft 2 in high supply high demans situations being the outlier that's bound by CPU performance with a 7850 level card) at 1920x1080 high settings compared to a stock i3 2120 with a 7850 is not a super high end card. With a 4870, the difference would be minimal since the 4870 will be the bottleneck in any modern game. A good cpu is awesome to have, but given price constraints the FX-4100 at 4.2ghz is not too bad. The FX-4170 (A FX-4100 at 4.2ghz stock clocks) does alright in game benchmarks at real playable resolutions.

Source for a stock FX-4100 v.s. i3 2100

For everyday work that doesn't involve encoding, the difference will be negligible. Considering that even 1080p flash videos run fine on ULV i3s found in cheap laptops, you'll be alright.

A real point of concern is in your case and psu. The Storm Scout has a certain style if you like that, but cooling performance is not very good. That's not a show stopper if you're okay with that though.

The big problem is your PSU. It looks like you got a generic 850w, which if correctly rated would be massive overkill for your system, problem is that with generics, they're usually untrustworthy once you exceed half the wattage rating and some of them will burn out, taking other computer components with it.

Even if it doesn't die, voltage and ripple can be way outside of ATX spec and that could take components out also. The power supply is the one place you never want to cheap out on and frankly a $40, 850w PSU is not something I would trust running my pc. I've seen some PSUs that even during idle pulling only 20% of max load putting out ripple 3x beyond ATX spec, which will lead to a slow but sure death for your system.

I would switch out the PSU asap for something reliable. If money is a issue, I'd recommend a Corsair CX430. Never, ever, ever buy a generic PSU unless you can find a good professional review that opens it up and looks at the interals as well as does benchmark checks. Anandtech and Johnnyguru do great psu reviews.

There are only a few PSU companies that are truly trustworthy without having to check for model reviews:
Tier 1
Corsair
Seasonic
PC Power & Cooling
Antec
Enermax
Silverstone

Tier 2
Sparkle
FSP

A generic PSU from china with no UL number that I can find from a manufacturer without a website selling a 4 lb including packaging (weight usually correlates with PSU quality) $40 850w psu raises way too many red flags and I would not trust it to keep my PC alive if I were you.[/QUO

i got the HD 4870 for free and ik that it isn't gonna do very well in modern games wasn't really expecting it to lol.. and from some good benchmarks the FX 4170 does do about 5% better than the i3 2100.... and the psu is ok for now until i get a new gpu it has 2 12v rails rated 27a and 28a

 

[borisvodofsky]

I have no idea where you get your information form, but the cpu is not that big of a deal.

The FX-4100 is a decent choice for the price if he was absolutely budget constrained. A i3-2120 is better for ~$20 more, but considering he's putting a card from 2008 in his rig, it probably came down to a budget concern.

The CPU itself will probably give around 5% lower FPS average in most games (with Starcraft 2 in high supply high demans situations being the outlier that's bound by CPU performance with a 7850 level card) at 1920x1080 high settings compared to a stock i3 2120 with a 7850 is not a super high end card. With a 4870, the difference would be minimal since the 4870 will be the bottleneck in any modern game. A good cpu is awesome to have, but given price constraints the FX-4100 at 4.2ghz is not too bad. The FX-4170 (A FX-4100 at 4.2ghz stock clocks) does alright in game benchmarks at real playable resolutions.

Source for a stock FX-4100 v.s. i3 2100

For everyday work that doesn't involve encoding, the difference will be negligible. Considering that even 1080p flash videos run fine on ULV i3s found in cheap laptops, you'll be alright.

A real point of concern is in your case and psu. The Storm Scout has a certain style if you like that, but cooling performance is not very good. That's not a show stopper if you're okay with that though.

The big problem is your PSU. It looks like you got a generic 850w, which if correctly rated would be massive overkill for your system, problem is that with generics, they're usually untrustworthy once you exceed half the wattage rating and some of them will burn out, taking other computer components with it.

Even if it doesn't die, voltage and ripple can be way outside of ATX spec and that could take components out also. The power supply is the one place you never want to cheap out on and frankly a $40, 850w PSU is not something I would trust running my pc. I've seen some PSUs that even during idle pulling only 20% of max load putting out ripple 3x beyond ATX spec, which will lead to a slow but sure death for your system.

I would switch out the PSU asap for something reliable. If money is a issue, I'd recommend a Corsair CX430. Never, ever, ever buy a generic PSU unless you can find a good professional review that opens it up and looks at the interals as well as does benchmark checks. Anandtech and Johnnyguru do great psu reviews.

There are only a few PSU companies that are truly trustworthy without having to check for model reviews:
Tier 1
Corsair
Seasonic
PC Power & Cooling
Antec
Enermax
Silverstone

Tier 2
Sparkle
FSP

A generic PSU from china with no UL number that I can find from a manufacturer without a website selling a 4 lb including packaging (weight usually correlates with PSU quality) $40 850w psu raises way too many red flags and I would not trust it to keep my PC alive if I were you.

You didn't read the other thread. He was not budget constraint.

Going amd for gaming is going "full retard"

 

[Durvelle27]

You didn't read the other thread. He was not budget constraint.

Going amd for gaming is going "full retard"

i really don't care what you think all you do is bash AMD because your an intel fanboy. AND is not as bad as you so call say.