One thing with running a monolithic chip is that you tend to produce shit tons of heat. Lowering the clock speed by a tiny amount would put the temps in a safer to run long term category but not cooler than the 5XXX series cards. To even keep it under the *card will die* temperatures the 4XX series cards require ridiculously loud coolers. What I'm driving at is that if you had a similar cooler on both ATI and nVidia cards you would see a much larger temperature gap, thus why a slight under-clock of the 480/470 would not help much if any.
When microsoft started selling the original XBox, it was evident they were selling the console at a loss with intent to make up the loss on game titles. nVidia was to blame for the high production cost. In fact, nVidia acted so terribly that Microsoft will no longer do business with them. The XBox 360 was released prematurely, with ATI hardware and nVidia lost their place in the console market.
nVidia is still in the PS3. Also, I believe Tegra is being used in the Zune isn't it (or will be used)? I'm not completely disagreeing that they may have pissed some companies off but their products are still in use.
The PS3 is not really the best example of anything they've taken on themselves as they're involved through design only; the manufacturing is done entirely by Sony Fabs.
That removes a huge part of what they do from the equation.
It's the same for the xbox360 and Wii (I think) with ATI. ATI only designs the chip, they don't manufacture it.
If you are going to quote benchmarks show me an image or a link. I don't believe your made up benchmarks until I see otherwise. Adding another gigabyte of fast memory will do a lot for a graphics card. That is why nVidia pushes cards with more memory, that and to compensate for using slower memory chips than ATI cards. 2gb will improve performance on large 2560x1600 resolutions the most and also show decent gains at 1920x1200.
Though admittedly I would rather see faster core clock speeds than more memory.
People don't understand how long nVidia has been serving products that don't make financial sense and I'm beginning to wonder what will come of them behaving in this fashion.
When microsoft started selling the original XBox, it was evident they were selling the console at a loss with intent to make up the loss on game titles. nVidia was to blame for the high production cost. In fact, nVidia acted so terribly that Microsoft will no longer do business with them. The XBox 360 was released prematurely, with ATI hardware and nVidia lost their place in the console market.
Then they pissed off Intel with the whole chipset debacle .... removing themselves from that market, also. How are you supposed to gain support running around pissing people off ??? The company is big headed in a very self destructive way, XFX is as good an indication as any that they're paying for their now tainted track record.
Actually ATI does manufacture the GPUs for the Wii. Im not sure about the 360 though.
I stand corrected. Thanks. I'm pretty sure Microsoft is the one that deals with manufacturing the 360 GPU.
Sounds shady. How can nVidia dictate what an e-tailer buys.. they're buying from board partners right? Crazy if so.
Still waiting on those 2GB cards, ATI. Opportunity is knocking..
SKYMTL claims Fudo is talking out his ass... to paraphrase..
Wow, Nvidia is not doing good...it's a little sad though...
Are you sure?Actually ATI does manufacture the GPUs for the Wii. Im not sure about the 360 though.
Are you sure?
Because Nintendo as well as Microsoft pay royalties to ATI. It's their main source of income btw.
Are you sure?
Because Nintendo as well as Microsoft pay royalties to ATI. It's their main source of income btw.
I doubt it, royalties aren't the same thing as profits, and afaik, AMD Graphics Division, ATi, had been profitable since last year.