XFX Jumps Off GTX 480 / GTX 470 Ship ?

[slayernine]

The interesting thing is that if GTX480 came out with 10% lower gpu clocks, 256-bit memory bus with faster GDDR5 (could still get higher memory bandwidth that 5870), they would have

1) Been more likely to get more chips at a 70 mhz lower clock speed, helping them lower production cost per chip;
2) Still be as fast as 5870 in most games, while faster in DX11 games;
3) Run cooler.

One thing with running a monolithic chip is that you tend to produce shit tons of heat. Lowering the clock speed by a tiny amount would put the temps in a safer to run long term category but not cooler than the 5XXX series cards. To even keep it under the *card will die* temperatures the 4XX series cards require ridiculously loud coolers. What I'm driving at is that if you had a similar cooler on both ATI and nVidia cards you would see a much larger temperature gap, thus why a slight under-clock of the 480/470 would not help much if any.

 

[edplayer]

I don't believe your made up benchmarks until I see otherwise.

I don't think anyone cares if you believe it or not. And, it exists whether you are aware of it or not:


http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23079

 

[3DVagabond]

I don't think anyone cares if you believe it or not. And, it exists whether you are aware of it or not:


http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23079

They only tested it with 4 games. The one game that you'd expect to see an improvement with, GTA4, is absent.
Strange review, IMO. You get an exclusive review of a product and come up with nothing, really. Unless you want to count Crysis Warhead at an unplayable setting. It would be different if they threw a whole battery of tests at it and came back with, "Meh... no difference". But 4 games and nothing else seems like a complete waste.

 

[Shilohen]

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/video/xfx-jumps-gtx-480-gtx-470-ship/


Afraid to offer the double life time warranty?

Fudzilla has another opinion on the matter, not that it makes nVidia look any better though: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18278/1/.

 

[Daedalus685]

Fudzilla has another opinion on the matter, not that it makes nVidia look any better though: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18278/1/.

SKYMTL claims Fudo is talking out his ass... to paraphrase..

He also mentioned that XFX may not be the only one to skip Fermi... We'll see.

I really would have thought the double lifetime warranty would be a huge selling feature to something that basically screams "water me." I wonder what the real reasons are... I'm sure it has to do with money... but margins or were they afraid of losing their shirts through a warranty?

 

[Nemesis 1]

XFX knows AMD roadmaps. They know the 6750 is to be released on the 40nm die in the third qt of 2010. 4 months is all NV gets as the top single GPU . XFX is playing a tuff game were they could lose or they may win big . Lets wait and see.

 

[Leyawiin]

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/video/xfx-jumps-gtx-480-gtx-470-ship/

The linked article said two traditional Nvidia partners were conspicuously absent in the launch. Who was the second?

 

[Mike_fermington]

This afternoon we received confirmation that XFX, a division of PINE Technologies, will not be releasing any GeForce GTX 400 series graphics cards to the market when the cards become public next month. XFX was not listed as a launch partner for Fermi and did not issue a press release about the upcoming cards, which might come as a shock to many of our readers as they are one of the largest NVIDIA add-in board (AIB) partners in the world! XFX said that the decision not to carry this series of GF100 graphics card was their decision and that they will still be carrying NVIDIA products. It looks like XFX thinks that the Radeon HD 5000 series of graphics card is the right card for the high-end market. From our conversation with XFX they mentioned that they have "yet to see whether the fermented launch will reach an inglorious anti-climax" and that "they want to "Ferm up to who really has the big Guns". It turns out they do have something special that they have been working on. It turns out that XFX and AMD have partnered together and have designed a limited edition run of Radeon HD 5970 graphics cards with not 2GB, but 4GB of on-board memory.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1263/1/

 

[Madcatatlas]

Holy Cow!

Is it possible to glue the Wii controller onto that gun and look at tad sharper when playing zelda?...

 

[Daedalus685]

Holy Cow!

Is it possible to glue the Wii controller onto that gun and look at tad sharper when playing zelda?...

I guess you could.. but the gun is the "package" for the card.. it is gonna be big.

 

[CitanUzuki]

the linked article said two traditional nvidia partners were conspicuously absent in the launch. Who was the second?

bfg?

 

[Daedalus685]

bfg?

Well.. them and XFX are the only 'traditional' NA seller without anything listed as pre order on newegg.

I couldn't imagine them not making 400s though... what else would they do? How quickly could they pick up ATI cards?

BFG lists 480/470 on their site though... interesting none the less... I love speculation!

 

[solofly]

Too bad... So sad... Don't care... I swear...

Arrogant greedy dishonest nv is at it again...

 

[Daedalus685]

Too bad... So sad... Don't care... I swear...

Arrogant greedy dishonest nv is at it again...

How on earth does that add to this thread in even the slightest possible way??

There are a billion interesting things about such a large player not wanting to produce the cards and you focus on that?


How about whether this is an indication they thought the warranty would not be cost effective? Perhaps they just have higher margins on the 5000 series and are happy with them? Hmm?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Wow, XFX was one of Nvidia's premier partners. Now it looks like they favor AMD's GPU's these days... quite the turn around.

AMD has really hit a home run with the 5xxx series of cards. I can't get over how they went from the position they were in back in the 2900/38xx days to what many would consider the current technology leader in the GPU world.

And based on where AMD/ATI was with the 2900 to where they are now, I don't think anyone should think that Nvidia is 'done'. As AMD has shown, in just a year or two's time a dramatic turn around is very much possible. Fermi and the 2900 were late, are/were hot, and I think both underwhelmed with their performance when they did finally launch - though I think the 2900 was certainly the bigger disappointment there. But, I think much like the 2900, Fermi is going to be a great spring board for future products.

I mean when the 2900 launched, did anyone think that XFX would be building high end AMD parts and skipping out on Nvidia's high end parts a few years later? Did anyone think that Nvidia being 'done' would even be something worth discussing?

 

[Attic]

XFX ditching nVidia in nVidia's Fermi debablce is just more bad news in the steaming shit pile that has become the expectations and results of Fermi.

nVidia needs to get some new blood in their leadership and realize that their tactics are pissing off not only gamers, but their board partners as well.

 

[solofly]

realize that their tactics are pissing off not only gamers,

Big time...

 

[MrK6]

Well.. them and XFX are the only 'traditional' NA seller without anything listed as pre order on newegg.

I couldn't imagine them not making 400s though... what else would they do? How quickly could they pick up ATI cards?

BFG lists 480/470 on their site though... interesting none the less... I love speculation!

Aren't their rumors that BFG is going to start producing AMD products as well? Didn't they already close down BFG Europe? It would make sense to close an office and then reopen under a new program, no?

 

[solofly]

How on earth does that add to this thread in even the slightest possible way??

There are a billion interesting things about such a large player not wanting to produce the cards and you focus on that?


How about whether this is an indication they thought the warranty would not be cost effective? Perhaps they just have higher margins on the 5000 series and are happy with them? Hmm?

You'll never know the real reason that's why I don't even try...(nor care really)

One thing is certain and it's stated in the second line of my post...

 

[Daedalus685]

Aren't their rumors that BFG is going to start producing AMD products as well? Didn't they already close down BFG Europe? It would make sense to close an office and then reopen under a new program, no?

Aye, those were the rumours... but they also stated that the folks that were working for BFG Europe went to another company, I don't remember which one.

I was under the impression that they were just closing down the Europe division, we have not heard any 'proof' that they want to sell ATI as well. That woudl be priceless though... Can you imagine what people would have thought 2 years ago if told XFX and BFG will go with ATI? lawls all over.

 

[ScorcherDarkly]

If XFX is skipping of their own accord, they may be afraid of offering a warranty on a card that may not be reliable due to high heat (not likely) or they were told that supply would be so short that they wouldn't be able to feasibly honor their warranties (more likely).

If XFX is being punished by nVidia for becoming non-exclusive to their products, the leadership in that company is even dumber than I thought, and I already thought they were pretty dumb.

Either way, not good news for nVidia, not good news for us.

 

[jpeyton]

Wow. Damn near everything Charlie predicted (and got blasted for) has come true, including huge name Nvidia partners passing on Fermi altogether.

 

[Daedalus685]

If XFX is skipping of their own accord, they may be afraid of offering a warranty on a card that may not be reliable due to high heat (not likely) or they were told that supply would be so short that they wouldn't be able to feasibly honor their warranties (more likely).

If XFX is being punished by nVidia for becoming non-exclusive to their products, the leadership in that company is even dumber than I thought, and I already thought they were pretty dumb.

Either way, not good news for nVidia, not good news for us.

I really think it is bordering on tinfoil hat club for folks to think XFX was shunned because of selling ATI cards... They are a subsidiary of Pine, who while not being a huge company are no slouch in asia. If they let ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte they can't very well shun Pine.

That being said I would guess that the real reason is the margins they wanted vs what Nvidia promised.

 

[nitromullet]

bfg?

http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgrgtx4801534e.aspx
http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgrgtx4701280e.aspx

 

[BD231]

It's already expensive manufacturing and marketing these two cards, plus they are selling it below their manufacturing cost

People don't understand how long nVidia has been serving products that don't make financial sense and I'm beginning to wonder what will come of them behaving in this fashion.

When microsoft started selling the original XBox, it was evident they were selling the console at a loss with intent to make up the loss on game titles. nVidia was to blame for the high production cost. In fact, nVidia acted so terribly that Microsoft will no longer do business with them. The XBox 360 was released prematurely, with ATI hardware and nVidia lost their place in the console market.

Then they pissed off Intel with the whole chipset debacle .... removing themselves from that market, also. How are you supposed to gain support running around pissing people off ??? The company is big headed in a very self destructive way, XFX is as good an indication as any that they're paying for their now tainted track record.