Xoom $799?

[runawayprisoner]

I'll gladly pay $100 more for twice the built-in memory plus the ability to expand that memory with microSD cards (once the Xoom actually supports them). Why would I want to limit myself?

Because aside from storing your music and video files, that space wouldn't be useful for anything else?

 

[zerocool84]

Because aside from storing your music and video files, that space wouldn't be useful for anything else?

Umm videos take up a TON of room.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Umm videos take up a TON of room.

I know. But honestly, I don't get why you can't just use your bigger TV and media center for that task? Leave the tablets to web browsing, listening to music and games?

Unless you want to watch a movie while in your bed, in which case, there's also the option of streaming the video from your computer at home.

 

[zerocool84]

I know. But honestly, I don't get why you can't just use your bigger TV and media center for that task? Leave the tablets to web browsing, listening to music and games?

Unless you want to watch a movie while in your bed, in which case, there's also the option of streaming the video from your computer at home.

Why have Hulu, Netflix, and others on it then? That's the way everything is going. Being able to consume your media anywhere.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Why have Hulu, Netflix, and others on it then? That's the way everything is going. Being able to consume your media anywhere.

Because I can plug the iPad into a TV and play those services back without connecting my laptop or PC? Note that those are all streaming services, and I do stream movies while I am at home.

But that's home. I do take my iPad out. While I do that, I play quick games, listen to music, and view some websites. I don't usually sit anywhere for hours watching a movie on it. That just feels silly.

When I sit down somewhere for a long time, it's usually somewhere with WIFI, so I can stream my movies there if I really feel the need to.

I am not disregarding the media consumption side. I just don't understand the need to carry gigs of videos with your tablet when you probably don't even pull it out and watch more than 10 minutes of those movies each time.

 

[zerocool84]

Because I can plug the iPad into a TV and play those services back without connecting my laptop or PC? Note that those are all streaming services, and I do stream movies while I am at home.

But that's home. I do take my iPad out. While I do that, I play quick games, listen to music, and view some websites. I don't usually sit anywhere for hours watching a movie on it. That just feels silly.

When I sit down somewhere for a long time, it's usually somewhere with WIFI, so I can stream my movies there if I really feel the need to.

I am not disregarding the media consumption side. I just don't understand the need to carry gigs of videos with your tablet when you probably don't even pull it out and watch more than 10 minutes of those movies each time.

Millions of people take trains, subways, or buses to work or to travel anywhere which means it's more than a 10min ride.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Eh... typically, a day has 24 hours. 24 hours of movies is... i'd assume 24GB. 1GB for every hour.

So 32GB is more than enough.

Or do you know someone who watches more than 24 hours of movies a day...?

 

[zerocool84]

Eh... typically, a day has 24 hours. 24 hours of movies is... i'd assume 24GB. 1GB for every hour.

So 32GB is more than enough.

Or do you know someone who watches more than 24 hours of movies a day...?

Dude, no one is going to load a movie or tv show every day. They will spend one night loading up stuff for the week. There's reasons why they make larger iPods, iPhones, iPads and the like so people can make use of the room. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean there's not uses for other people to do it. It's like saying why the need for more than 8GB for music.

 

[runawayprisoner]

No, well, look at it this way: 24 hours of movies. If you watch 4 hours a day, that means 24 hours is good for 6 days.

That's almost a whole week. Unless we are talking about people who watch more than 4 hours?

I won't relate myself to this story, but I am merely doing maths to justify your reasoning, which is that there exists people who watch that much a day. And I don't even doubt that.

I am just doubting the need for more space than 32GB. Obviously that is enough to hold a week worth of movies. Android or not. This is not like a Windows or Mac computer where the OS takes either 15GB or 20GB of space.

 

[KentState]

I have my iPod touch filled with about 32gigs of music alone. That leaves me no room for videos. If I want to carry any type of library with me it is nice to have the option to expand upon it at any time. As I found with a smaller iPod Nano, it's a pain always swapping stuff in and out with limited space.

 

[MrX8503]

That's why I transcode videos on the fly from my server to my iPhone. Who needs gigabytes when you can have terabytes of movies at your disposal.

 

[tdawg]

Because aside from storing your music and video files, that space wouldn't be useful for anything else?

While 16gb of fixed storage may be enough for you, for my use case it doesn't make sense. Your use case may be different, which is why I'm not assuming that my needs/requirements are the same as yours.

 

[KentState]

That's why I transcode videos on the fly from my server to my iPhone. Who needs gigabytes when you can have terabytes of movies at your disposal.

How does it work on an airplane or with data caps on tablet wireless plans?

 

[Red Storm]

That's why I transcode videos on the fly from my server to my iPhone. Who needs gigabytes when you can have terabytes of movies at your disposal.

I need gigabytes because local storage playback quality is much better than streaming.

 

[Wag]

I think at this point I'm just going to wait and see what other companies put out in the Honeycomb dept. I'm particularly interested in the Asus Transformer, as it has an IPS display and should cost the same or less than a wifi Xoom.

 

[Phynaz]

I need gigabytes because local storage playback quality is much better than streaming.

Then you are doing it wrong. Look at something like Air Video, it uses ffmpeg for on the fly transcoding.

 

[Monster_Munch]

More storage is always going to be better, HD rips are several GBs each. I've got a few 1080p MKVs that are 7-8GB.

 

[runawayprisoner]

How does it work on an airplane or with data caps on tablet wireless plans?

Well, you don't end up listening to all that 30GB of music at once. And you can't possibly watch all that 30GB of movies even if you are flying from the U.S. to Asia.

Having a large library is nice when you don't want to reconnect your tablet to your PC too often. That, I realize. But again, it just doesn't make sense to have too much because you don't always have the time to enjoy all of that content at once.

I just don't get the mentality that you always have to bring everything with you, is all. Syncing every once in a while (3-4 days to me) is not that bad considering it also backs up your data.

 

[KentState]

Well, you don't end up listening to all that 30GB of music at once. And you can't possibly watch all that 30GB of movies even if you are flying from the U.S. to Asia.

Having a large library is nice when you don't want to reconnect your tablet to your PC too often. That, I realize. But again, it just doesn't make sense to have too much because you don't always have the time to enjoy all of that content at once.

I just don't get the mentality that you always have to bring everything with you, is all. Syncing every once in a while (3-4 days to me) is not that bad considering it also backs up your data.

Why do you keep using the word "you" like you are speaking for the rest of us. I have plenty of reasons to need more than 30GB total. Until you can wrap your head around the fact that not everyone is like you, then I guess it won't make sense. Are you one of those people that think that someone should only make so much money, drive only so much of a car, or only do things that fit into your own world view? You almost sound like Jobs when he tries to define what we need and not what we want.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Why do you keep using the word "you" like you are speaking for the rest of us. I have plenty of reasons to need more than 30GB total. Until you can wrap your head around the fact that not everyone is like you, then I guess it won't make sense. Are you one of those people that think that someone should only make so much money, drive only so much of a car, or only do things that fit into your own world view? You almost sound like Jobs when he tries to define what we need and not what we want.

I am not trying to group the rest into one group and impose my view nor am I trying to convince you otherwise.

I am trying to justify the need for having more than 30GB total, for myself.

Whenever I say "you", that is in direct response to you, not anyone else.

Do I think people should make only so much money? Nope. But I think people should only spend so much money.

Do I think people should drive so much of a car? Nope. But I think people should only drive so far in a car.

This is not a view imposing fest. I am trying to understand your view. Not everyone goes in here to take a jab at your choice nor criticize it, you know.

 

[Patranus]

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Don't pay any attention to Patranus, he does the same shit in P&N too.

No, I am not comparing apples to oranges.

The cost to buy an entry level Xoom compared to an entry level iPad is $100 more regardless of the spec.

It is a lot easier to rationalize 16 fewer Gb when you are on the fence about buying a tablet than $100 more dollars.

There is a reason why the 3 series is BMWs most popular series of car and it is the same reason why the iPad 1, 16Gb model was the most popular iPad model.

To be competitive with the iPad, the Xoom needs to have the same entry price.

 

[Ns1]

I am trying to understand your view.

The view:

"I would like to have 45gb of pornography on my iPad because I'd like to be able to rub one out to any sexual fantasy I desire at any given time. I also practice tantric sex and like very, very long movies."

"No time to sync, need Anal Invaders 8758348753 NOW!"

 

[senseamp]

Isn't that what tablets are for? Bedtime entertainment?
Seems like perfect use for one

 

[zerocool84]

No, I am not comparing apples to oranges.

The cost to buy an entry level Xoom compared to an entry level iPad is $100 more regardless of the spec.

It is a lot easier to rationalize 16 fewer Gb when you are on the fence about buying a tablet than $100 more dollars.

There is a reason why the 3 series is BMWs most popular series of car and it is the same reason why the iPad 1, 16Gb model was the most popular iPad model.

To be competitive with the iPad, the Xoom needs to have the same entry price.

Yea I don't know why people keep trying to say the Xoom is competitive in price. It just isn't. You cannot get one for less than $800.

 

[tdawg]

No, I am not comparing apples to oranges.

The cost to buy an entry level Xoom compared to an entry level iPad is $100 more regardless of the spec.

It is a lot easier to rationalize 16 fewer Gb when you are on the fence about buying a tablet than $100 more dollars.

There is a reason why the 3 series is BMWs most popular series of car and it is the same reason why the iPad 1, 16Gb model was the most popular iPad model.

To be competitive with the iPad, the Xoom needs to have the same entry price.

No, it doesn't need to be the same price. People can come into a store and a sales rep can tell them that for $499 they can store up to 16gb of apps, music, movies, and pictures on their device, plus whatever space they need if they actually create something (like a travel journal or something) and they have no way to increase it.

If the customer is fine with that, then ok, they can enjoy their new iPad. However, if the customer says, "hmm I'd like more space so I don't handcuff myself with just this entry-level amount", or "16gb doesn't sound like enough storage space, I'd like more", the salesman shows them a 32gb iPad at $599, along with a $599 wifi Xoom (assuming one makes it to market, of course). Now the sales rep discusses the nice upgrade in size to 32gb of built in storage space, but highlights the fact that with the Xoom, the customer has the ability to augment the 32gb of built in storage with an inexpensive microSD memory card (assuming the Xoom gets a functioning SD slot).

Now, the customer may feel that 32gb of built in storage will be more than enough for them over the life of their device, so it comes down to the user experience and the customer either goes iOS or Honeycomb. If, however, the customer thinks they may want more space in the future, they either spend $599 for a 32gb wifi Xoom with the ability to add up to 32gb of additional storage in a microSD card, or the customer can spend $699 right now on a 64gb iPad and again hope they don't ever find themselves with so much media that they are concerned with running out of space.