XP 2200 how far have you Overclocked?

markrb

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I have a XP 2200 currently running perfectly stable at 1.88Ghz and I haven't tried anything higher.
I am already doing far better then Anand did in his try of only 1.822Ghz.
I am at stock voltage and running a Pal 8045 heatsink.
I do plan to try and push it, but I will do it slowly as I have read (right or wrong) that slowly burning
faster speeds yields better long term results.

How far have you pushed this CPU without exotic cooling? I don't plan on ordering any dry ice any time soon.


Thanks,
Mark
 

Duvie

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I am interested in the comments you get...I have talked to 2 large reatilers who I won tmention who said they got tons of these things in stock and they are not selling....So I am interested in who is buying them and will they show same mixed results as online review sites....


What are you testing it with???

What is the stock vcore listed at anyways???

What are your temps??? I know the alpha is not cheap and by no means stock cooler for these things...
 

markrb

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I have a MSI KT3 Ultra Non ARU (no RAID).
The Stock voltage is 1.65V.
According to MBM5 I am at 36C CPU and yes I am on the right setting. My case is at 32C. Bios reports about the same.
According to MBM5 I am at 1.62V (should be 1.65)

I messed up also I didn't figure my speed out correctly. I took Sandra's word for it.
I am at 1.876 not 1.88 as Sandra says.

Maybe those retailers are more expensive. I bought mine from Monarch Computer and now they are
out of stock. They are the cheapest around though at $208 and they say you get a 60 day warranty, but
my paperwork said 30. In my case no big deal since after it ran for two days I voided any warranty and unlocked
it. Simple as pie too. Only one bridge the 5th L3 to close.

I bought my Alpha some time ago for $29. Not Stock cooling, but no Swifty price either.

I have used Prime95's torture test and I also use CCE for video conversions. CCE is about the most demanding App I have ever seen and even points out problems that Prime95 won't.

Mark
 

Duvie

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I think you need to run that temp by mikewarrior, but I would bet 36c for that processor is an error...Sounds like good old socket a inconsistencies...

Does that board read internal diode??? ONly a handful do an I am sure that temp is not correct especially with air cooling only....


I am not calling you a liar but everything I have read tells me that temp don't sound right...definitely not an internal diode reading which should have been higher but more accurate then old socket a measurements...


I wont name retailer but they land on first page of pricewatch....
 

mechBgon

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Mark, what kind of fan is your Alpha set up with? Is it a high-output fan?
 

Chaotic42

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Those Alphas are great. 36C could be realistic. Mine wasn't even warm with my 1800+. It was like 35C under load.
 

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At the moment I have my xp 2200 overclocked to 1903.5MHZ (13.5 x 141fsb). It's at stock voltage and it's completely stable. I haven't tried any higher still waiting for my conductive pen to unlock it first before I play around with it more.

My cooling consists of a ax-7 with a 50cfm fan. My cpu temps at full load is 58C.

 

Duvie

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chaotic42...you wre obviously running some exoctic cooling, living in a freezer or running a water cooler for me to belive that at load you were 35c with an amd 1800+ xp...yeah right....What is you definition of load???


Also I can possibly believe the 36c, possibly, still seems tough unless you has a good high flow fan...it is definitely not a true thermal diode reading!!!

What is the full load markrb???
 

Mikewarrior2

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36 full idle with cpucool and every other idle tweak, maybe

4C over system temp full load with a 67Watt processor , no way in friggin' hell .

The mSI KT3-Aru supposedly reads internal diode temps, but i'm very skeptical. Looks like someone who owns one needs to a MechBGon style A7v333 test that is geared toward backside mb cooling to determine whether it really is a diode reading.

Of course, a bad batch of resistors along hte diode reading traces could result in artificially low readings.


Mike

P.S. Without taking into account the smaller contact surface, an xp2200+ would run at roughly 20-22C over ambient system temp with an Alpha. Taking into account the small die size and that probably goes up a few C.
 

Duvie

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So you agree this is definitely not an accurate internal diode temp reading???

I think the 4c over system temp is quite fishy as well but I have seen some report with p4's running idels about 3-4c over system. Ofcourse they only seem to happen with asus mobos!!!
 

Mikewarrior2

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3-4C over system temp at idle, maybe wtih good cooling and teh right tweaks.


3-4C over system temp at load, not with air coolign on any modern cpu.

As far as teh kt3 reading the int. diode, i ahve my doubts



Mike
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: Duvie
chaotic42...you wre obviously running some exoctic cooling, living in a freezer or running a water cooler for me to belive that at load you were 35c with an amd 1800+ xp...yeah right....What is you definition of load???

No, I was running an Alpha 8045 like I said. AS 2 paste, and a 68 CFM fan (I'm not *totally* sure about that rating, but it's in the 65-70 range).

Yeah, I know it doesn't seem right. My motherboard at the time used a little thermal diode under the processor. I know those aren't too terribly accurate, but the heatsink was room temperature.

As for load, I tried to make it warm up.

I left my computer running Bryce 4 overnight, running a perfect number program, Quake 2 timedemos, UT at 1920x1440x32bit software overnight. That's as much load as I would ever put on a computer.

 

markrb

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I have no idea if it's correct or not. It very well could be some sort of error.
This board is suppose to read the internal diode and I just figured the low temp
was due to the new way of reading the temp.
I doubled checked the bios and MBM and both still say 36C.
It has read as high as 37C. I will doublecheck everything and see what the guys in the MSI forum over at amdmb.com say.

I just upped it to 1898 and it's still stable.

When I had my XP 1700+ on my other motherboard the temp from the board diode was never any higher then 46C with this same cooler.

Mark
 

Mikewarrior2

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well, one thing you'd notice with an internal didoe is that the temp will change rapidly.

You would shift 5-6C in a matter fo seconds going from idle to full load, adn probably have a 10-15C delta between idle and full load.

Temperature response time would be a great way to find out whether the kt3-ultra really reads the internal diode or not.

Becaues the temps are definately not indicative on internal diode temps. Int. Diode = higher than backside socket-tehrmsitor the vast majority of the time.


Mike
 

Mikewarrior2

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saw your thread over at amdmb's forums. If you're really only getting 2C of cpu temp movement, i dont' care what those guys at that forum say, it isn't internal diode.


Mike
 

mechBgon

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If anyone's interested in testing their SocketA motherboard to determine whether the CPU temperature readings are internal or not, here's how I did my test on my A7V333:

Stage 1: Monitor the rate/amount of change in reported temperature as the CPU load (and therefore the actual core temperature) goes up and down
  • start a monitoring utility like MBM5 and set the updates to something like 1 or 2 seconds
  • let the temperature of the system stabilize at idle and note the temperature
  • apply a sudden sustained load to the CPU, such as SETI@Home, Prime95 or whatever
  • take notes on how fast the temperature climbs and how long it takes to stabilize
  • remove load, take notes on how fast the temperature drops and how long it takes to stabilize

In the case of my A7V333, the Stage 1 test showed the temperature taking two minutes to make its full swing from low to high, and back to low again. Furthermore, the full swing was only 3C from idle to full load. The slow response time and small temperature swing suggested that the CPU temperature was being indirectly measured. On to Stage 2...



Stage 2: Monitor the rate of change of the reported temperature as the temperature of the motherboard PCB itself goes up and down
  • get your motherboard out of your case (if your ATX cable is long enough you can do this while your drives stay in place)
  • again, start your monitoring utility and set it to update every 1 or 2 seconds
  • let the temperature stabilize
  • get something cold, like a medical cold pack, wrap it in a washcloth or something, and hold it against the underside of the motherboard's SocketA area, while watching your temperature utility. edit: I don't recommend doing this for any longer than you have to, ten seconds at most. Don't want to crack any solder connections due to the thermally-induced contraction of the PCB...

In Stage 2, the A7V333's response time was practially instantaneous and the temperature drop was radical. This shows that the thermistor is much more sensitive to the temperature of the motherboard than to the temperature of the CPU, indicating that the temperature reading is indeed coming from a surface-mounted thermistor.

It is also possible that a board could have a socket thermistor on a thin, flexible stalk which presses against the underside of the CPU and would be far enough from the motherboard surface that this test might not give conclusive results. A good example would be the Gigabyte 7VRX/7VRXP. However, Gigabyte doesn't claim direct diode readings in the first place.
 

markrb

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Just as an update I upped the speed to 1931Mhz.
Still at stock voltage and stable.
I will run this for a few days and then see if it will hit 180 FSB x 11 for 1980 Mhz.
My goal now is to go above 2Ghz.

Mark
 

markrb

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I am at 2.0Ghz right now and it seems stable, but I won't say it is yet.
I had to bump the voltage all the way from 1.65v to the max of my board of 1.75V.
The CPU is now at 40-42C and it does move quickly, but doesn't have large swings.
I know my memory is stable to 185Mhz at least.

I did fail to mention that I have a Lian-LI case with tons of air flow.
These results are with the side open. With the case closed it goes up
about 1-2C.

I may drop it back down a little to be sure it's stable.

Mark
 

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Originally posted by: markrb
I am at 2.0Ghz right now and it seems stable, but I won't say it is yet.
I had to bump the voltage all the way from 1.65v to the max of my board of 1.75V.
The CPU is now at 40-42C and it does move quickly, but doesn't have large swings.
I know my memory is stable to 185Mhz at least.

I did fail to mention that I have a Lian-LI case with tons of air flow.
These results are with the side open. With the case closed it goes up
about 1-2C.

I may drop it back down a little to be sure it's stable.

Mark

Nice man ..... post pics and benchies .... very good oc ....

SSXeon
 

markrb

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Well it froze in Medal of Honor at 2.0Ghz.
I backed it down to 1.97Ghz and it worked perfect.
It may not have been the CPU, but it points to it.
It could also have been my Radeon that I overclocked as well.
Usually I know it's the CPU or ram because I get a blue screen in XP, but
not this time. Simply a freeze.
When I have time I will back the Radeon down a little and ramp the CPU back up to see what happens.

On another note. How do I post pictures in the board? I don't have a website or even webspace to point to.

My benchmarks at 2.0Ghz in Sandra were.

CPU:
5534
2782

I have not run them at 1.97.

Mark
 

mechBgon

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The picture-posting is disabled on these Forums due to the sheer size of them. Imagine ~94000 members posting pictures... pretty hard to police them against pr0n, etc with that many people signed up.
 

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Its probably the vid card or memory causing the lockups... usually when the CPU is unstable the game just exits or crashes out.
Good job though! Thats about a rating of 2500+ right? I can see it is possible!
 

markrb

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I have a Sunon fan. I forget the CFM, but it isn't super high.
I think it might be 40CFM. The Alpha is cool to the touch if that means anything.

At 1.97 Ghz this is the Sandra Output for the CPU:

SiSoftware Sandra

Processor(s)
Model : AMD Athlon(tm) XP Processor
Speed : 1.97GHz
Model Number : 2440 (estimated)
Performance Rating : PR2888 (estimated)
L2 On-board Cache : 256kB ECC synchronous write-back

Mainboard and BIOS
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI IMB USB SMBus/i2c
MP Support : 1 CPU(s)
System BIOS : American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T
Mainboard : MSI MS-6380E
System Chipset : VIA Technologies Inc VT8366/A Apollo KT266/A,KT333 CPU to PCI Bridge
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 179MHz (358MHz data rate)
Installed Memory : 512MB DDR-SDRAM
Memory Bus Speed : 2x 179MHz (358MHz data rate)


Mark
 

Duvie

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Run prime95 on it at 2.0ghz...If it doesn't crash it is likely the radoen oc'd or drivers issues...


Nice oc!!!!!
 
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