XP 3000+ 400FSB Barton finally available.

[duuuma]

Originally posted by: stevejst
Listen, you will never know the company is going to bankrupcy or not, based on the company reports. Makes sense?

now that is just a silly comment....

To be precise, AMD is racking up 6 quarters of financial losses, all in the range of hundreds of millions of dollars. And they are continuing making further losses. For the year 2002 they lost billion and a half.

Of course, they might be doing fine in the future after they cut their expense and workforce. Now what is a chance for that? "SELL" means exactly that, cut the losses and run away from that company because their future looks bleak. They put all the gamble on Opteron and if that doesn't take off the way the hype is ... judge yourself.

It's people who listen to analysts recommendations as if it were the gospel that cause mass instability in the economic markets. Just where do you think those analysts get there data from anyway? I'll tell you where...the annual reports. *GASP* The same reports you discredited are the source of information for analysts. That's why I say, to be a smart investor and consumer, take a read through their Annual Reports or have someone knowledgeable explain them to you. Don't just take the word of an article in cnet, businessweek, and yahoo.

Now I'll admit that AMD's sales have been disappointing (for like a whole year and a half :Q), but they're still a multi-billion dollar company. Though I seriously doubt their $5.6 BILLION dollars in assets are going to land them in bankruptcy anytime soon, I could be wrong. They have enough cash on hand to pay off all of their short term debt also. Thus, if they do go bankrupt, I'll search for this thread in the archive next year and personally apologize to you.

Maybe I just refuse to believe they're going bankrupt b/c I work for their accounting firm or maybe I just like AMD b/c they bring cpu products to the market that are absolutely incomparable in value. ok ok no more, I'm sorry...

 

[GetInMyFatBelly]

Originally posted by: c627627
I don't know if it qualifies as a redesign but they said that Barton core is physically bigger by about 20 percent when compared to T-Bred.

Bigger core does help out with cooling so there's your reason #2 to get a Barton over Thoroughbred if prices are close.

That larger core is the larger cache

 

[GotIssues]

Whatever idiot decided that AMD should just show their actual GHz and have it compare to an Intel chip is a moron. The average Joe doesn't know squat about benchmarks, or care for that matter. They like big numbers. Thats the entire reason for the rating system.

Joe over here (which makes up about 90% of the population, not a market you want to forget about) is comparing the 1.8GHz AthlonXP to the 2GHz Intel processor. The intel computer is OBVIOUSLY faster, because it has a bigger number and it's more expensive. Well Joe wants the BEST computer he can buy, so he doesn't have to upgrade as often, so he'll plop his green on the Intel computer. Why? Because he believes it to be faster. That's not the case, as WE know, but he doesn't. AMD needed to show that even though its a lower speed, it performs just as good.

Its not a 'gimmick' or a lie, its dumbing it down so the average consumer knows what it is. They don't call different kinds of cola by their composition, even though they are different. They are still comparable in tastes, so they are all refered to as cola. Its just giving the consumer an idea of how it actually performs (or in the soda/pop example, it gives the consumer a general idea on how it tastes). Average consumer = Stupid.

 

[Miramonti]

$258 now.

 

[AnimEva]

if every investor just listened to analyst and when they say Buy, I buy and when they say Sell, I sell, dont you think a lot more people would be in the market?

Obviously not, sometimes people listen to analyst too much. How many times did the analysts said the market would rebound in the last 3 years?

 

[duuuma]

Originally posted by: AnimEva
if every investor just listened to analyst and when they say Buy, I buy and when they say Sell, I sell, dont you think a lot more people would be in the market?

Obviously not, sometimes people listen to analyst too much. How many times did the analysts said the market would rebound in the last 3 years?

my point exactly. do the research and think for yourself.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: FluxCap

probably as good as or a little less than the other bartons, which are at or very near their max speeds now anyway.

Yeah, if you call a Barton 2500+ at 1.83 overclocked to 2.4 a "little"

thats a lot of volts there

 

[arcas]

I don't think we'll see AMD in bankruptcy. More likely, it will be acquired by another company. Believe it or not, there appear to be some rifts developing between HP and Intel with regards to IA64 and HP has already announced that they will produce a server based around AMD's X86-64. And AMD acquisition by HP might not be all that surprising. It would give them a 64-bit alternative to PA-RISC (their Itanium sales appear to be going nowhere).

Similarly, an AMD merger with Sun wouldn't be all that surprising either.

 

[mngisdood]

If A64 fails to live up to expectations, I'd expect drastic changes with/at amd...

 

[ChocolateNupe]

6 reason why amd will be ok

1st Amd will not die. If they need financial help, IBM will pick them up.
2nd Amd64 will not blow. Several mobo makers have pledged to manufacture the amd64 chipset.
3rd Microsoft has developed the OS.
4th Early benchmarks prove that the chip will give Intel something to reckon with.
5th Hpaq and Gateway(?) will have systems ready at the time of launch.
6th Hammer sounds cool. (not mc Hammer though)

I remember when analyst were telling everybody to sell their Palm Inc. shares at ~$9/share a couple of months ago, well its at 16/share now.
nVidia was at 7/share in Oct. now it is at 21/share.

My point is that the analyst dont know as much as we know about technology companies. We knew that the palm 5 products would be big and sell. We knew that nVidia was setting up another push at ATI. We know that AMD is setting up a push at intel. Their stock will reflect that push.

BTW: How many companies have not cut their workforce by 20% or more?

 

[Miramonti]

Amd will file bankruptcy next year imo. They are bleeding money beyond what amd64 will infuse, and they've been bleeding for a while.

And they will be bought by someone from within bankruptcy court proceedings tho.

 

[Princeman]

Apple is claiming to have the world's fastest personal comp, the G5. It's 64 bit from IBM. Has Apple really produced a fast machine or is this all hype?

Powermac

 

[parkbench]

Check a few reviews, buy whatever makes you happy and STFU. You all sound like old hags sitting at a table drinking coffee. The old lady with the crystal ball at the state fair I went to last night probably knows as much about AMD's future as you guys.

This is a post for the 3000+. If you don't want it, move along!

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: FluxCap

probably as good as or a little less than the other bartons, which are at or very near their max speeds now anyway.

Yeah, if you call a Barton 2500+ at 1.83 overclocked to 2.4 a "little"

a good 1700b will reach 2.4, but you won't have that bus speed either...

for the 200 you save you can get yourself an nforce board, great memory or cooling that you will need to OC any AMD chip.....

 

[XNice]

Research AMD the company and read their financial statements and annual reports (or have someone who understands accounting read them for you), before you make a crass generalization on the future of their company.

sorry to thread crap, but sheesh.

Sometimes you gotta let people know.....

Apple is claiming to have the world's fastest personal comp, the G5. It's 64 bit from IBM. Has Apple really produced a fast machine or is this all hype?

Powermac

Never believe anything Apple puts on their own website about their machines. If you look further into how the used the benchmarking tests, you will realize that Apple's marketing dept makes AMD's look straight as an arrow.

 

[Alistar7]

the jump from 32 bit to 64 is astounding, check out microsofts page on 64 bit machines.....

 

[EF9]

why not just buy the retail that comes with a 3yr warranty that will still be cheaper than buying one(OEM) with free shipping?

 

[frankqfrank]

Whatever idiot decided that AMD should just show their actual GHz and have it compare to an Intel chip is a moron. The average Joe doesn't know squat about benchmarks, or care for that matter. They like big numbers. Thats the entire reason for the rating system.

Totally true.

Also interesting speculation around here. Anyone got 2.2 billion for a world class chip maker? I don't think IBM would but Hpaq.... that would be interesting. I don't know if they've got that kind of cash, too lazy to look.