XP 3200+ vs A64 3000+?

[Staz]

I have an XP 3200+, well, it's really an OC'ed XP-M 2500+ OC'ed to 3200+ speeds. I am tossing around the idea of upgrading to an A64, probably 3000+, maybe 3200+, and want to know what kind of speed difference I can expect? If I did this, the mobo I want is that Chaintech Nforce4 board once Newegg gets it back in stock.

What type of speed increase could I expect for gaming if I made this jump?

 

[imported_Underpar]

This is almost exactly my situation. I was going to go A64 3000 and hope to get 2.2 to 2.4GHz out of it. I was also wondering what heatsink most people are running with this OCed and what your current specs are. Im using a jet turbine to cool my current XP2500 to 2.2GHz, so noise is not too much of an issue, but it would be nice to get something a little more quiet.

I also plan to get that Chaintech NF4 board, or if something from ASUS comes out that isn't SLI I wouldn't mind getting.

So here is my ideal setup for a build expected mid January


A64 3000 @ 2.4GHz+
Nforce 4 board, no SLI yet
6600gt PCIe

will use current ram, PSU, case, etc...

So I guess my question is does this sound like an ideal setup and what heatsink do you recomend?

Also whats a good high RPM sata drive?

 

[Staz]

I use a Thermalright ALX 800 with a 50cfm 80mm fan on it to cool my XP-M. I would have used a Zalman CNPS7000BLED-Cu, but my mobo doesn't have the 4 mounting holes around the socket. I have heard these Zalman's run very quiet and cool the A64 very well.

 

[fibes]

Originally posted by: Staz
I use a Thermalright ALX 800 with a 50cfm 80mm fan on it to cool my XP-M. I would have used a Zalman CNPS7000BLED-Cu, but my mobo doesn't have the 4 mounting holes around the socket. I have heard these Zalman's run very quiet and cool the A64 very well.

I second the Zalman. I currently installed this heatsink on my new system. When I'm running Prime95 (blend torture test), it never exceeds 40c and it's pretty quiet.

 

[Mik3y]

well, an xp3200+ at 2.5ghz is the same as the a64 3000+ in general performance, but the athlon 64 still beats it in gaming and such.

 

[miketheidiot]

I think you need a new power supply with a 24 pin instead of 20 pin mobo connector. You might be able to find an adaptor though.

 

[Staz]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
well, an xp3200+ at 2.5ghz is the same as the a64 3000+ in general performance, but the athlon 64 still beats it in gaming and such.

So would my XP-M 2500+ OC'ed to 2400MHz(12x200) be about the same as a A64 2800+?

 

[sodcha0s]

I just upgraded to an A64 3000 Winchester from a AXP 1700+ running at 2.2. I can say that even at stock speeds (1.8g) the A64 SMOKES the AXP o/c'd. I am using the MSI Neo2 Plat. mobo and a Thermalright XP-90hs paired with a YS-Tech 80mm adjustable fan. I am very happy with it, but if I was to do it over again I would go with the A64 3200 for the 10x multiplier. Not sure what the difference would be if I had upgraded from a Barton though.

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: Staz

Originally posted by: Mik3y
well, an xp3200+ at 2.5ghz is the same as the a64 3000+ in general performance, but the athlon 64 still beats it in gaming and such.

So would my XP-M 2500+ OC'ed to 2400MHz(12x200) be about the same as a A64 2800+?

in gaming, yes. in general performance, the xp at 2.2ghz is eqivalent to hte a64 2800+, but at 2.4ghz, it rivals the a64 2800+ in gaming. note that the a64 2800+ rivals that of the p4 3.0ghz in gaming.

 

[imported_Underpar]

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: Staz

Originally posted by: Mik3y
well, an xp3200+ at 2.5ghz is the same as the a64 3000+ in general performance, but the athlon 64 still beats it in gaming and such.

So would my XP-M 2500+ OC'ed to 2400MHz(12x200) be about the same as a A64 2800+?

in gaming, yes. in general performance, the xp at 2.2ghz is eqivalent to hte a64 2800+, but at 2.4ghz, it rivals the a64 2800+ in gaming. note that the a64 2800+ rivals that of the p4 3.0ghz in gaming.

So your saying that going from an OC'ed barton 2500 @ 2.2GHz would not be much of an improvement over a stock A64 3000+? I plan to OC the A64 3000 to hopefully around 2.5GHz, so maybe it would be worth it. I just dont want to take a baby step when I could save the money right now and upgrade the mobo/cpu later.

 

[Staz]

So to sum up, upgrading from an OC'ed Barton XP-M to a A64 2800+ won't be much of a jump and only a minor one if you go A64 3000+?

Remember that even the 754 platform will run at least $200 for CPU/mobo upgrade, probably more, and only for a bit more speed?

 

[imported_Underpar]

bumpie

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: Underpar

Originally posted by: Mik3y

Originally posted by: Staz

Originally posted by: Mik3y
well, an xp3200+ at 2.5ghz is the same as the a64 3000+ in general performance, but the athlon 64 still beats it in gaming and such.

So would my XP-M 2500+ OC'ed to 2400MHz(12x200) be about the same as a A64 2800+?

in gaming, yes. in general performance, the xp at 2.2ghz is eqivalent to hte a64 2800+, but at 2.4ghz, it rivals the a64 2800+ in gaming. note that the a64 2800+ rivals that of the p4 3.0ghz in gaming.

So your saying that going from an OC'ed barton 2500 @ 2.2GHz would not be much of an improvement over a stock A64 3000+? I plan to OC the A64 3000 to hopefully around 2.5GHz, so maybe it would be worth it. I just dont want to take a baby step when I could save the money right now and upgrade the mobo/cpu later.

no, i'm saying that a stock a64 3000+ still rivals or beats the xp at 2.5ghz in gaming. an xp at 2.2ghz is NOT an improvement. note that the xp3200+ was never designed to compete against the a64 or neweg generations of P4's. it was designed to compete with the P4's w/ 533mhz fsb, no hyperthreading, and with single channel memory. amd was just really slow when intel came out wiht the newer generation processors, but still won in price to performance.

 

[Tiamat]

A64 is better at gaming. However, if you have a graphics card of the Radeon 8500 generation or thereabouts, your GPU would be the bottleneck, and the difference in processor may be slight. If, however, you have one of today's generation of GPUs like the 6600s, 6800s, or X800s then the A64 will trounce the AXP since the CPU is the bottleneck.

 

[imported_Zero Cool]

underpar,

You might want to check out this thread before you settle in on a Chaintech NF4 board...

Chaintech NF4 Problems

 

[imported_Underpar]

Originally posted by: Zero Cool
underpar,

You might want to check out this thread before you settle in on a Chaintech NF4 board...

Chaintech NF4 Problems

Thanks for the link, I think I will wait a bit and see what Asus has to offer in the non-sli dept.


I currently have a 9800se with my barton at 3200+ speeds. So I guess it would be worth getting the A64 3000+ if I plan to OC it and get a 6600gt. Plus I plan to use my current mobo/cpu for a HTPC so either way its a good time to upgrade.

Thanks for the help!

 

[imported_umbra]

from what I've heard amd 64's give a 25% increase max in performance for gaming but that's just what I've heard

 

[WarMachine6287]

My situaton is very similiar to the other posts here.....I have a XP2500 OC'ed to 3200. I want to upgrade my AGP video card from a Ti4-4800SE to an nVidia 6600GT without having to go to a motherboard/ cpu upgrade. I've got a family to take care of so I have to stick to a budget. I can't go A64 right now without some serious money juggling. The A64's are selling for a premium right now and I can't see upgrading to an A64 mobo/cpu for big bucks when I have an XP3200 ( sort of ) that runs smooth and cool. What are the technical reasons why an A64 3xxx+ is faster than an XP3200? Should I slap an XP3200+ in my present motherboard and push it as far as it will go? How far will these A64 puppies overclock? An XP3200+ isn't the same as a A64 3200+? Why? Is it the A64 mobo bus speed that makes it faster over all? I use Corsair 3200LL-400's memory. That would be a bottleneck on any system, right? I'm just trying to get the best bang for the (meager) bucks. Thanks for any light you can shine on the subject.

 

[ts3433]

An XP3200+ wouldn't give you much more overclocking headroom, if any, over your current XP2500+. What you have now shouldn't be a big botleneck for the 6600GT. Your RAM isn't a bottleneck, either--the low CL2 latencies are actually overkill for anything. It may enable you to push your XP2500 a little farther, though.

The major technical reason behind the performance increase with the A64 is the on-die memory controller implemented in the K8 architecture, among other improvements. As for the PR ratings, Athlon XPs are rated against old Athlon Tbirds, while the Athlon 64s seem to be scaled more toward 800FSB Pentium 4s.