YACT: What do you think of the new 2007 Camrys

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domsq

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Why does everyone seem to hate Ford so much?

My dad's only ever owned Fords, and he's never had any major problems. I drive a small Ford pickup (a thing called a Bantam, specific to RSA) and it's very reliable.

Or is this major gripe specific to American built Fords?
 

angryswede

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: LeiZaK
Mazda 3 Grand Touring
It's a Ford.

If by its a Ford, you mean Ford owns a stake in Mazda because they bailed them out when they were in trouble, then yeah you are right. They have collaborated on some projects; however, Mazda isn't the same as Ford. It's still Japanese engineering.
 

pclstyle

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saw one on the street yesterday, and i wasn't too impressed.

the car as a whole definitely had a major cosmetic overhaul, but the rear imho is actually pretty darn ugly. those lights -- *shudder*. I obviously didn't get a look inside the car, but from what I can see from the OP's console pic (any dash pics?), it's pretty 'meh'.

 

g8wayrebel

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Camry , no contest. There is absolutely nothing on the road that last as long as a Toyota when taken care of.
My next vehicle will be a Tundra and we will soon purchase a Camry for my better half.
I now drive a Silverado and she has a Cam y ( not a misprint , that is the only thing wrong with it..the r fell off and it has 280xxx plus miles on it.)
The one we have now is my third Toyota. I have never had any issues with any of them other than normal wear and tear way beyond the grave yard for most cars.
 

mwmorph

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I can attest to the camrys durability. I properly matained a 1990 Dk blue camry all the way up till 2002. Whe it died (interference engine+broken timing belt=donation) I gto myself a new 2002 Dark blue camry. No problems ever with the car besides routine matinence.

Of course styling is a different matte.r When I got my 2002 camry(remember the 2002s were a new redesign), I though it was ugly, ut over the years, I'm not sure because its so much more familiar or waht but it looks good now. The original 2007 camrys looked fugly to me too but I guess its starting to grow on me. Maybe the design is too far ahead for it's time?

Nevertheless, no car looks better for the price than a 1997-2000 Lexus SC300/400. Awesome power/speed(espicalyl SC400), everlasting style and of course the V8 burble. I'm going to trade my Camry for a SC pretty soon.
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: g8wayrebel
Camry , no contest. There is absolutely nothing on the road that last as long as a Toyota when taken care of.
My next vehicle will be a Tundra and we will soon purchase a Camry for my better half.
I now drive a Silverado and she has a Cam y ( not a misprint , that is the only thing wrong with it..the r fell off and it has 280xxx plus miles on it.)
The one we have now is my third Toyota. I have never had any issues with any of them other than normal wear and tear way beyond the grave yard for most cars.

Who cares who long it lasts if you are bored with it after 1 year? I guess if you like the Camry, get it, but I wouldn't get any car simply because it lasts a long time. It has to offer some driving satisfaction to me.
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
UPDATE 2: Tried VW tonight. I tried a Passat and a Jetta. My size 18s just BARELY fit between the break pedal and the side of the center console. That's out.

Then I went to Infiniti, knowing that I would have to have gone used to get anything there. Still, I didn't fit into anything.

Then I went back to Nissan. The dealer I worked with there was so freaking cool and easy-going, so I'd like to by from him. My only problem is that I just didn't like the Altima. Well, I drove the V6 Altima, and that solved the issue of power. Now my only problem is room and the horrible "cheapness" of the interior. The interior I think I can get over if I get the Bose stereo. The room, however, is probably going to end that as an option. My right knee just isn't comfortable.

Finally, it was back to Toyota. Well, I wanted to give the V6 a shot to see if I would want that instead of the inline 4. Let me start by saying that they said they were busy and to just take it out by ourselves (me and one of my boys that was with me). Well, I did, and even though I didn't mean to, I got up to 100mph. Let me tell you, that thing gets ON it. The problem I'm having now is that the shifter is very close to my knees on the automatic. I might have to go with the manual just so that I don't hit the shifter. Not a bad thing, but I can't get the V6 manual, so that kind of sucks.

Next thing is going to the Hyundai dealer in freaking BFE (I'm going to try to find someone closer, but we'll see). That Azera better be worth the drive.

Don't forget brand new 2007 Altima is coming in a couple months, and they have fixed the interior.
http://www.nissannews.com/multimedia/nissan2007/800px/07-altima-29.jpg
http://www.nissannews.com/multimedia/nissan2007/altima.shtml

Also, in my experience, Nissans generally give you more kneeroom than Hondas, not sure about Toyotas. Manual Camry kind of defeats the whole purpose of a couch on wheels.
You may have a harder time selling it later since there isn't much of a market for manual camrys.
 

MetalMat

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
For the money ($20k - $24k), this is about the best-looking car out there from what I can tell. I absolutely refuse to waste money on an American P.O.S. again, so that's out. German engineering is alright, but if anything DOES go wrong, it will cost me an arm and a leg to fix it. Soooo...

Is there something I'm missing? Looks like my options are:

- Nissan Altima
- Nissan Sentra
- Honda Accord
- Honda Civic
- Toyota Camry
- Toyota Solara
- Subaru Impreza
- Subaru Legacy

Toyota Camry - Console
Toyota Camry - Front
Toyota Camry - Rear

Edit: Whoops, missed the Altima.

Edit 2: People, Mazda = Ford. Period. I'm not getting one.


Actually, all of those cars are quite good.
 

PowerEngineer

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Well, I find myself going through the same motions as the OP. My 1996 Camry was totaled (not while I was driving and no one was really hurt) and the insurance company gave me $6200 for it (not bad for a 10 year old car with 118,000 miles that cost $20k new). But it's thrown me unprepared back into the car market, and I'm trying to sort out what makes best sense for me.

I'm a little older than your average ATOT'er, about 6'4", 200++ lbs, and have a long torso that makes head room a problem.

Here's what I've learned so far...

Despite what some have claimed, even a cursory look at the latest Consumer Report tabulations of automobile reliability shows that the Japaneese car makers (Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Mazda, and Nissan) are tops. Now past performance isn't an absolute guarantee of future performance -- but it's the best predictor we have.

I've looked at (what I think are) their mid-size entries: Camry, Accord, Legacy, Mazda6, and Maxima. The interiors of Accord and Legacy just don't feel as roomy as the others, so I've reluctantly put them aside. I've looked at the Mazda6 and Maxima; maybe I should do more than just "look", but they just don't seem as "polished" as the Camry. I admit that 10 years with a Camry has to have made me a bit biased. But of those five...I prefer the Camry.

One other point that matters to me (especially after the wreck) is the safety features, particularly side air bags. The new Camry comes STANDARD with front, side and curtain air bags along with one more beneath the steering wheel to protect the driver's knees. It's hard to find used Camrys (or any others) that had side air bags installed when they were optional equipment.

I've looked for used models (really of all five) because I really don't want to spend the money for a new one right now. Their resale values stay so high, however, that there's no real reward for taking on the risk (most seem to depreciate only $2k to $3k per year and there's no big drop in value for just driving one off the lot).

"Certified" used cars are even worse (I had one salesman try to sell me a "certified" Camry LE for over $20k when a new one starts at around $22k!).

I also found that most used cars on the dealers' lots are not ones they took in as "trade-ins". They acquire most of their cars through the wholesale auctions, which means that many come from out of state and they don't really know any more about their histories than you do.

Trying to avoid a new car, I also looked at a few upscale relatives: Toyota Avalon, Lexus ES300, Acura TL, Infiniti I30, and Infiniti G35. One good point is that side air bags became standard equipment on all of these years ago. So...new Camry or used luxury "sedan"?

This is where I ran into my biggest problem: those %@$# mooonroofs! :|

Almost all of these luxury cars are equiped with moonroofs (as part of some option package or another). They reduce available head room by about 1.5" to 2.0". The top of my head is literally up inside the moonroof opening in the Acura TL, Infiniti I30, and Infiniti G35. The others were only slightly better. I would need to find a nice one without a moonroof, and this seems to be practically impossible.

So it looks like I will be ordering a new Camry (probably SE; probably V6; sans moonroof; ~$25k) pretty soon.

What I really want to be doings is finding a nice used moonroof-less Infiniti G35x! :brokenheart:

 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: ElFenix

you've provided a perfect illustration of why 'build better cars' isn't exactly a quick fix for GM. all the studies have shown that they are building better cars, and have been for several years. yet buyers shy away from them, with memories of how GM cars were from 1975 to 2000 or so.

its not just memories. they've been acting like the tobacco industry...acting a bit scummy and going against any legislation to tighten emissions standards. then they drop the ball on hybrids and then sh*t on em. now they are giving out gas rebate promotions to sell more gas guzzling suvs they are making it very easy for people to choose not to buy american.

GM is going for fuel cells. as everyone knows that fuel cells are the next big thing, and hybrids are just a stop-gap solution, i don't see why going for fuel cells over hybrids is sh^ting on hybrids.

not to mention that GM has pretty much the most affordable hybrid option available in the vue greenline right now. 75% of the fuel savings of a toyota system and 30% of the added cost to the consumer. win win.

one other problem with GM is that the quality isn't similar across models. some models are at or near the head of the class, but GM as a whole or the brand as a whole is dragged down in the rankings by a few crappy models (the minivans are particularly bad, or so i've heard). so people look at brand or GM as a whole (the models aren't broken out so much, which is dumb because that's the information you really want) and say, 'well, they're not as good as toyota.'

merc had a similar problem, most of the problems were confined to a few particular models (the M and E classes, iirc), and it was dragging them down bad.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Vic
I think the new Camry is hideous. They stole the Mazda grill and the Bangle rear-end for godssakes. Yuck.

i think you're the only other person who's recognized the bangle trunk on the camry. ugh!
 

RaistlinZ

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
UPDATE: Alright, I got a chance to drive a couple of cars tonight - an Accord and an Altima. The Accord was first, and I generally liked it. The ride was good, the turning radius was great, it was very responsive, and it generally seemed to drive alright. I had a decent amount of room, but it was a bit tight... drivable. The next up was the Nissan. Now I really liked the salesman, and I would love to buy from him, but that car drove like absolute sh1t. Terrible. It was the least-responsive car I've driven in some time. It accelerated awfully through turns, and I just didn't like it. On the plus side, it was roomy enough to even possibly get a moonroof - and the roomiest car I've driven so far - but I can't get by how awfully it drove. I might also add that the dash looked like sh1t. Terrible. The display for the radio especially looked incredibly cheap.

Next I'm going to TRY a Hyundai Azera - because Naustica has been so freaking persistant - and maybe a VW, though I hear they're pretty bad room-wise. That's pretty much it.

Please let me know you like the Azera. I've been debating between buying it or a well-equipped Sonata.
 

trikster2

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As my dad always said: Never buy a car the first model year it comes out. Let someone else work out the bugs. That was advice to an 8 year old who thought the GMC pacer looked neat.

Didn't Camry's take a pretty big hit in reliability the last time they changed model years?
 

hysperion

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: DougK62
I love people who refuse to buy a domestic vehicle just because they once bought a domestic and it was a piece of crap. That's like saying that I'm not going to buy anymore candy because a jawbreaker chipped my tooth once.

I'd get a Mazda.
And I love people that make excuses for domestic cars because they think they're doing the American worker a favor (if you're going to deal in generalizations, I'm going to as well).

Again, I draw your attention to resale value. If I'm totally off my rocker here on reliability, why do Toyotas and Hondas retain their value so much better than Fords, Chryslers, and Chevys?

Also, I've had many domestic cars, and none have been spectacular. This Monte was just the massive bail of hay that broke the camel's back. I'd like to at least try a foreign car and see how reliable it is. Then I can judge for myself.

Edit: AND FOR CHRIST'S SAKE PEOPLE! I AM SIX FOOT NINE!! ARE YOU SIX FOOT NINE? I DO NOT FIT IN A MAZDA! I'VE TRIED! STOP SUGGESTING IT!! I know that you're all sitting in your Mazdas thinking, "I have a lot of headroom," but headroom is not the issue. My knee hits the steering wheel and the center console, and I can't get my foot to the gas pedal. It can't happen.

Because they base those 'resale value' (residual) numbers off MSRP. As we all know- GM/Ford can often be had well below MSRP when new due to incentives. This makes their residual values appear lower because Japanese branded Made in USA cars sell for closer to MSRP. Don't kid yourself- all these depreciate near the same unless you're stupid enough to pay MSRP for the GM/Ford ride.........

According to JD Power's statistics online- GM has exceeded the reliability of a very substantial number of Japanese branded vehicles the last few years..........Those 00' V6 Monte Carlo's were pieces of crap poser vehicles and you deserve the problems you had for buying one.........
 

hysperion

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: ElFenix
because you're so huge and cheap i'd say an impala would probably be awesome for you, but you hate american cars
Does anyone read the posts any more? Dude, I'm driving around a Monte Carlo (same platform as the Impala) that is TOTALLY FALLING APART ON ME, and you say that the only reason I'm not considering an Impala is because I hate American cars?

Great......I've got an 89' Ford Probe with 150k miles on it that's running perfect and my mom has an 05 Toyota Sienna minivan that has been to the dealer 4x in under 10,000 miles.......I also beat the ****** out of a 03 Ford Lightning that I leased for 25k miles and never had a single issue............It's all in perspective- my girlfriend's Rav 4 hasn't had an issue.........................

You do know that most of the Japanese vehicles are usually built in the USA by the same group of people building the American vehicles? My dad works for Delphi and they do parts for both GM and Toyota.......

Yes, American vehicles sucked in the 90's and maybe even 00-01.........they have gotten better and GM is surpassing most of the Japanese makes in terms of reliability.....
 

cvrefugee

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Originally posted by: hysperion
Great......I've got an 89' Ford Probe with 150k miles on it that's running perfect and my mom has an 05 Toyota Sienna minivan that has been to the dealer 4x in under 10,000 miles.......I also beat the ****** out of a 03 Ford Lightning that I leased for 25k miles and never had a single issue............It's all in perspective- my girlfriend's Rav 4 hasn't had an issue.........................

You do know that most of the Japanese vehicles are usually built in the USA by the same group of people building the American vehicles? My dad works for Delphi and they do parts for both GM and Toyota.......

Yes, American vehicles sucked in the 90's and maybe even 00-01.........they have gotten better and GM is surpassing most of the Japanese makes in terms of reliability.....

There's a difference between being assembled and produced. Some Japanese cars are assembled in the U.S., but the parts are made (produced) in Japan. Plus companies like Toyota don't have labor unions, which we all know are the scourge of the U.S. auto industry.

 

oslama

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I do not like the styling of the new Camry. It looks like it was designed by Mazda.
 
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