YAEWBT - Yet another existing while black thread. Modified to all purpose harassment

[nickqt]

That causes them to kill people? Should they get a pass? I’d like to know how I should feel about this.

To me, it seems pretty clear that the black condition is something that most non-black people have no idea about. Being treated as either property, or a second-class citizen is going to affect the culture that black people create for themselves as an almost powerless minority population. This brings with it entrenched, generational poverty and perhaps a built in PTSD that comes from being considered inherently violent and kept separate from the white majority culture since, well, the beginning.

Yet, you sidestep that, and just posit that by even acknowledging objective observable reality, I'm arguing that it "causes" the crime, instead of the crime just being a symptom of the 400+ year old entrenched racism, whether systematic and enforced by the state, or legally allowed as long as it isn't said out loud.

Then you try to say that I'm trying to give "them" a pass. As if that could be read in what I said.

You're clearly implying that there's a "reason" why black crime exists.

Fuck. You asked why. And here you are, not saying what you think it is.

So, why do you think it exists?

Afraid of stating your hypothesis?

Let's hear it.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Poverty + culture

Many don’t like to admit it but the popular black culture is steeped in celebrating violence. Should we be surprised when the numbers show significantly greater violent crimes by them?

 

[nickqt]

Poverty + culture

Many don’t like to admit it but the popular black culture is steeped in celebrating violence. Should we be surprised when the numbers show significantly greater violent crimes by them?

Popular black culture is steeped in celebrating violence?

Popular white culture isn't steeped in celebrating violence?

When I look at popular US culture, I see it all celebrating violence. It's an effect of the past ~80 years of US Empire after WWII.

 

[UNCjigga]

Ok, so blacks kill more blacks than whites. I get that. Why do they kill at a rate 8 times greater than whites though. Racism?

That's a good question. Let's break it down. First, let's look at those SPLC stats again:

white-on-white violent crime = 12.0 per 1,000
black-on-black crime = 16.5 per 1,000

The rates of violent crime aren't that far off, certainly nowhere near 8x more than the other.

So violent crime is similar, but homicides (people dying) is 8x higher. I guess racism (both deliberate and institutional) may play a factor when you think about it:
- Fewer people stopping to help a black victim bleeding out
- Fewer hospitals/emergency rooms/quality doctors available per victim in poorer urban areas with a higher population of blacks

Needs more data for a definitive conclusion.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Nm read that wrong

 

[UglyCasanova]

Point of all this being our dear overlord is making a very one sided arguement in order to pin the woes of blacks on the evil white masters. The reality of the situation is not nearly as rosey.

As the song says, "This is America"

Twyla Smith says she is the grandmother of 4-year-old Messiah Murphy who was shot to death around 11 p.m.

Police say they got a call from a woman saying she was in front of the police station with a young child in her car who had been shot.

Investigators believe the shooting took place in the 100 block of North Pierre Avenue near the intersection of Buena Vista Street, according to SPD Corporal Angie Willhite. They also think two different weapons were used because they found 2 different types of shell casings.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Poverty + culture

Many don’t like to admit it but the popular black culture is steeped in celebrating violence. Should we be surprised when the numbers show significantly greater violent crimes by them?

"Popular black culture" eh?

A list of random Hollywood movies: Saw (parts 1 thru 1000), Goodfellas, The Godfather, Pulp Fiction, Heat, Scarface, Seven, Zodiac, Reservoir Dogs, 9 billion Westerns since Hollywood started up, 9 billion war movies since Hollywood started up, No Country for Old Men.

You're not dumb. Stop acting like you are.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Ok, now turn on your local rap station and get back with me.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Ok, now turn on your local rap station and get back with me.

So you decided to continue with 'the dumb'. Ok <shrug>

 

[nickqt]

Ok, now turn on your local rap station and get back with me.

OK, watch any number of television shows or movies, and get back with me.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Some interesting statistics, and when reading this the all important figure that blacks make up 13% of the population is very relevant.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Robbery

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, the black arrest rate for robbery was 8.55 times higher than whites, and blacks were 16 times more likely to be incarcerated for robbery than non-Hispanic whites. Robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa.

 

[glenn1]

To me, it seems pretty clear that the black condition is something that most non-black people have no idea about. Being treated as either property, or a second-class citizen is going to affect the culture that black people create for themselves as an almost powerless minority population. This brings with it entrenched, generational poverty and perhaps a built in PTSD that comes from being considered inherently violent and kept separate from the white majority culture since, well, the beginning.

Yet, you sidestep that, and just posit that by even acknowledging objective observable reality, I'm arguing that it "causes" the crime, instead of the crime just being a symptom of the 400+ year old entrenched racism, whether systematic and enforced by the state, or legally allowed as long as it isn't said out loud.

Then you try to say that I'm trying to give "them" a pass. As if that could be read in what I said.

You're clearly implying that there's a "reason" why black crime exists.

Fuck. You asked why. And here you are, not saying what you think it is.

So, why do you think it exists?

Afraid of stating your hypothesis?

Let's hear it.

Jews have been enslaved and treated as second class citizens for far longer than African Americans yet their crime rates aren't any higher than median.

 

[nickqt]

Jews have been enslaved and treated as second class citizens for far longer than African Americans yet their crime rates aren't any higher than median.

Then just come out and say what you think the issue is.

It's hilariously obvious what you're attempting to imply.

Just say it. Be like your Strongman role model.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Jews have been enslaved and treated as second class citizens for far longer than African Americans yet their crime rates aren't any higher than median.

No way you are that fucking stupid. Just plain nasty I guess.

 

[HomerJS]

Some interesting statistics, and when reading this the all important figure that blacks make up 13% of the population is very relevant.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Robbery

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, the black arrest rate for robbery was 8.55 times higher than whites, and blacks were 16 times more likely to be incarcerated for robbery than non-Hispanic whites. Robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than vice versa.

So what?

 

[glenn1]

Then just come out and say what you think the issue is.

It's hilariously obvious what you're attempting to imply.

Just say it. Be like your Strongman role model.

I’m not saying anything is the issue but merely disputing the “history of slavery” and “exclusion” and “poverty” and the other named things as causal factors. Unless one can explain how blacks would be impacted but Jews would not then that hypothesis is obviously incorrect.

 

[Amused]

Why do blacks have a homicide rate 8 times higher than whites? Racism?

Yes, racism. I'll explain but I expect you to not understand.

Higher crime is directly tied to poverty. When adjusted for poverty, crime rates of all colors are virtually equal.

So why is this due to racism? A higher percentage of blacks are mired in poverty due to institutionalized racism in the US. Full stop. Because they are mired in poverty due to racism, their crime rates are increased in proportion to their poverty rates.

Institutionalized racism = poverty = crime.

So yes, their crimes rates against each other are due to racism.

 

[glenn1]

Yes, racism. I'll explain but I expect you to not understand.

Higher crime is directly tied to poverty. When adjusted for poverty, crime rates of all colors are virtually equal.

So why is this due to racism? A higher percentage of blacks are mired in poverty due to institutionalized racism in the US. Full stop. Because they are mired in poverty due to racism, their crime rates are increased in proportion to their poverty rates.

Institutionalized racism = poverty = crime.

So yes, their crimes rates against each other are due to racism.

Appalachia is poor also but has lower than national average crime rates so your “poverty =‘crime” hypothesis is wrong also.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/189560.pdf

 

[Amused]

Appalachia is poor also but has lower than national average crime rates so your “poverty =‘crime” hypothesis is wrong also.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/189560.pdf

That's a very nice cherry you've picked there.

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1745-9125.1991.tb01087.x

http://economics.fundamentalfinance.com/povertycrime.php

http://www.unagaliciamoderna.com/eawp/coldata/upload/vol1_14__crime_poverty_india.pdf

https://www.poverties.org/blog/poverty-and-crime

 

[UglyCasanova]

How is it a cherry picked? How do you explain it? 8 times more homicides is a very difficult stat to excuse, poor or not.

 

[UglyCasanova]

So what?

So what? The narrative has beeb blacks are in constant fear for their lives because of evil white people out to get them. What I posted shows that blacks kill whites at a vastly greater rate (especially given they only make up 13% of the population). Whites are no saints and there is definitely work to be done on the racial front, but reality is reality.

 

[HomerJS]

Appalachia is poor also but has lower than national average crime rates so your “poverty =‘crime” hypothesis is wrong also.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/189560.pdf

Middle and upper class blacks do not have a crime rate that is disproportionate so what is your point?

Guess which race who's crimes are responsible for the most economic losses in this countries history? What do you want me to conclude from that?

One major flaw in that study everything get's skewed when population density is factored in.

 

[HomerJS]

So what? The narrative has beeb blacks are in constant fear for their lives because of evil white people out to get them. What I posted shows that blacks kill whites at a vastly greater rate (especially given they only make up 13% of the population). Whites are no saints and there is definitely work to be done on the racial front, but reality is reality.

So what, is so what are you implying about black people?

The point of this thread is to highlight how just existing while black is being criminalized.

Just like this incident.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...en-told-they-were-playing-too-slow/561206002/

 

[Jaskalas]

The point of this thread is to highlight how just existing while black is being criminalized.

I'd certainly agree that there is prejudice and resentment working against them. There is enough attitude and history that either side will look at the other with negative feelings. But the bigger issue of "existing" being criminalized stems from our violent society and an overzealous training of police to be warriors. They match their environment and we, as Americans, need to admit that this is a rather !@#$# social environment we live in. We have to focus on ways to improve it for everyone. To come up with solutions to deescalate society.

 

[glenn1]

Middle and upper class blacks do not have a crime rate that is disproportionate so what is your point?

Guess which race who's crimes are responsible for the most economic losses in this countries history? What do you want me to conclude from that?

One major flaw in that study everything get's skewed when population density is factored in.

My point was that I disagree with the premise “poverty = crime” and I provided an example that disproved that hypothesis. You can find others if you care to look as well. For example during the Great Depression, crime did not go up even though poverty went up.

Your hypothesis about population density playing into a crime rates also seems to fail when measured against real life examples. For example most of the major Asian cities are way more population dense that any US city yet their crime rates are hugely lower.