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Darwin333

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Sadly she can't be arrested for filing a false report as they were in the wrong zone. So I'm not sure what sort of punishment she can get other than getting doxxed, fired, and publicly humiliated.

I'm pretty sure that her info will be public before long, if it isn't already, and the repercussions will be far worse than a filing a false report charge.
 

HomerJS

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I’m not concluding anything about blacks, but you’re painting this pic of evil whites are the cause of all the woes in the lives of blacks but that’s absurd.
If you are not concluding anything about black people why bring up crime statistics when that isn't germane to this thread?

I'm neither saying or intimating whites are causing all the woes of black people. I'm merely echoing what an astute Oakland councilperson stated about white people criminalizing the mere existence of being black

"Police are not private security for any white person that's offended by the presence of black folks in our public spaces,"

I suspect there may be a reason for these poll results
A 2015 Reuters poll showed that black and white Americans tend to hold drastically different attitudes toward police. While 54 percent of all Americans said they “trust the police to be fair and just,” only 30 percent of African-Americans did. And when asked if police “tend to unfairly target minorities,” 69 percent of black Americans agreed, while just 29 percent of whites did.
 
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glenn1

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You disproved nothing. You cherry picked one example while ignoring others.

As for the great depression you are, of course, wrong. Early in the great depression crime spiked to an all time high. It later dropped as the New Deal programs kicked in.

https://www.history.com/topics/crime-in-the-great-depression

It may be a bit more complex than simply poverty = crime. However, statistically, people living in poverty are more likely to commit crimes. My links more than proved that.

The crime rate had been going up for nearly a decade before the Great Depression due to Prohibition and immediately plunged after its repeal. Meanwhile crime fell during the Great Recession and went up huge during the very prosperous 1960s? Indeed the actual data says the opposite of what you're saying for the most part. If you want to go internationally you can make a weak correlation of poverty/crime at the very low end of the scale (like a few hundred a year level poverty) which is well below the threshold of what's typical in the U.S. and doesn't really extrapolate. There's outliers at the tail ends but the line is basically an almost flat but very gently downsloping line once you're past a few thousand/year in income.

 

HomerJS

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The crime rate had been going up for nearly a decade before the Great Depression due to Prohibition and immediately plunged after its repeal. Meanwhile crime fell during the Great Recession and went up huge during the very prosperous 1960s? Indeed the actual data says the opposite of what you're saying for the most part. If you want to go internationally you can make a weak correlation of poverty/crime at the very low end of the scale (like a few hundred a year level poverty) which is well below the threshold of what's typical in the U.S. and doesn't really extrapolate. There's outliers at the tail ends but the line is basically an almost flat but very gently downsloping line once you're past a few thousand/year in income.

and this is relevant to the thread how??? Why???
 

[DHT]Osiris

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and this is relevant to the thread how??? Why???
It isn't. Lots of people just like to take opportunities to create divides between people. Shoehorning a 'black folks be violent' debate into a 'racist shitbag calls cops on someone that doesn't look like them' conversation is a time-honored tradition.
 
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glenn1

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It isn't. Lots of people just like to take opportunities to create divides between people. Shoehorning a 'black folks be violent' debate into a 'racist shitbag calls cops on someone that doesn't look like them' conversation is a time-honored tradition.

It's somewhat relevant. Some populations of blacks show above average crime rates although I'm guessing "black students at Yale University" isn't one of them. And it doesn't seem like the person who reported the person for sleeping in the dorm common area framed it as a black person being violent. In this instance the person who called police was per story in this post not someone who would typical fit the bill of someone who folks would be guessing to be a "racist shitbag."

Braasch is a philosophy Ph.D. candidate who has studied gender and law, according to Yale’s website, and who has expressed civil rights and human rights as interests in her LinkedIn profile.

That being said, where this ties back to the sidebar about poverty is where I said the best way to fight instances like this would be to give black people jobs (the unemployment for urban black males 18-26 is nearly 50% IIRC). Someone in turn said this which I fundamentally disagree with and is a symptom of why blacks have such high unemployment rates; basically folks like Jaskalas (or replace him with most urban progressives) could probably afford to hire a black person but don't and then blame "institutional racism" for it. Or "collective action problem." Or whatever. Anything to avoid getting personally involved other than just calling for higher taxes they expect the rich to pay anyway.

Needless and escalating job preferences such as college and no criminal history just begs "don't apply" if you're from an inner city. From a place of poverty. Our society is financially structured to keep people down in ways that extend beyond trickle down.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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In this instance the person who called police was per story in this post not someone who would typical fit the bill of someone who folks would be guessing to be a "racist shitbag."
They were either a racist, a coward, or both. Either they're concerned about someone that doesn't look like them being in a common area, or they're concerned about ANYONE they don't know being in a common area. Either way they're shitty, and there's a 50% chance they're racist and shitty.

And it doesn't seem like the person who reported the person for sleeping in the dorm common area framed it as a black person being violent.
Then why the hell is a debate about elevated violence among black youths coming up in this thread, if it has nothing to do with that?
 

glenn1

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They were either a racist, a coward, or both. Either they're concerned about someone that doesn't look like them being in a common area, or they're concerned about ANYONE they don't know being in a common area. Either way they're shitty, and there's a 50% chance they're racist and shitty.


Then why the hell is a debate about elevated violence among black youths coming up in this thread, if it has nothing to do with that?

Because the title of the thread is linking it to a larger pattern; "another existing while black thread." There's a direct correlation between things like "how often the police stop you for questioning" and "how much crime and violence goes on in this neighborhood." Much of the feeling of exasperation of "____ while black" is due to the direct and logical approaches to confronting problems stemming from data points like "blacks commit homicide at rates n times <insert other demographic group here> in <insert neighborhood name here>" and the increased policing, incarceration, and other knock-on effects. Thus by the time a black person gets to Yale they have the experience of an entire lifetime of being hassled because of "guilt by association" with other blacks whose behavior was less stellar and who were committing those multiple times above average number of homicides.
 

Perknose

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And it doesn't seem like the person who reported the person for sleeping in the dorm common area framed it as a black person being violent.
Of course not! She's more of a "black people can't possibly be students at Yale" racist asshole.

In this instance the person who called police was per story in this post not someone who would typical fit the bill of someone who folks would be guessing to be a "racist shitbag."
Well, her actions definitely reveal her as racist. And I'm gonna' go with "shitbag" as well, for calling the police.

So, summing up here, racist + shitbag = racist shitbag.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Because the title of the thread is linking it to a larger pattern; "another existing while black thread." There's a direct correlation between things like "how often the police stop you for questioning" and "how much crime and violence goes on in this neighborhood." Much of the feeling of exasperation of "____ while black" is due to the direct and logical approaches to confronting problems stemming from data points like "blacks commit homicide at rates n times <insert other group here> in <insert neighborhood name here>" and the increased policing, incarceration, and other knock-on effects. Thus by the time a black person gets to Yale they have the experience of an entire lifetime of being hassled because of "guilt by association" with other blacks whose behavior was less stellar and who were committing those multiple times above average number of homicides.
You're missing something here. See, 'black while existing' means that, an individual, not doing a damned thing except existing, gets singled out as a potential troublemaker due to their race/ethnicity. This isn't a problem of the blamed, but the accuser. There's a big fucking problem when a black guy at Yale University gets singled out as a potential troublemaker. If a black dude at Yale can't be innocent, where could he be?

It isn't a logical approach btw, it's an approach couched in fear. Logical (and cold-hearted, btw) would be presuming that a prior convict is more likely to commit another crime than another. It's illogical to assume that if one person who looks a certain way committed a crime, another will do the same.
 

HomerJS

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Because the title of the thread is linking it to a larger pattern; "another existing while black thread." There's a direct correlation between things like "how often the police stop you for questioning" and "how much crime and violence goes on in this neighborhood." Much of the feeling of exasperation of "____ while black" is due to the direct and logical approaches to confronting problems stemming from data points like "blacks commit homicide at rates n times <insert other demographic group here> in <insert neighborhood name here>" and the increased policing, incarceration, and other knock-on effects. Thus by the time a black person gets to Yale they have the experience of an entire lifetime of being hassled because of "guilt by association" with other blacks whose behavior was less stellar and who were committing those multiple times above average number of homicides.
Really?

Do you think the white golfer when everyone at the club has to be a member had "datapoints" on his mind when he decided to call the police on the black golfers in front of them?

Did the woman at Yale had datapoints on her mind?

Did the Starbucks manager have datapoints on her mind?

Did the woman who called the police for BBQing while black have "datapoints" on her mind?

You keep ignoring the premise of this thread. Its less about the police but more about the white people who are trying to criminalize black people for just living their lives.

Again I quote the councilwoman
"Police are not private security for any white person that's offended by the presence of black folks in our public spaces,"
 

glenn1

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Really?

Do you think the white golfer when everyone at the club has to be a member had "datapoints" on his mind when he decided to call the police on the black golfers in front of them?

Did the woman at Yale had datapoints on her mind?

Did the Starbucks manager have datapoints on her mind?

Did the woman who called the police for BBQing while black have "datapoints" on her mind?

You keep ignoring the premise of this thread. Its less about the police but more about the white people who are trying to criminalize black people for just living their lives.

Again I quote the councilwoman

Yes, and I'm also bringing up that such behaviors probably would be considered annoying one-offs if there wasn't already a long history of frustrations built up from policies such as "stop and frisk" and incarceration rates for blacks being extraordinarily high relative to other races. The Yale, SBUX, BBQ, etc. complaints are all building on the basic foundation of longer term grievances that black people have. While these cases you're citing probably are being prompted by overblown fears of black people it's also relatively small potatoes. This is akin to small grievances about things like women complaining of "manspreading" on subways was a sideshow to deeper and more pervasive frustrations like widespread sexual harassment.

If you want to deal with all these anecdotal one-offs then have at it, I'm arguing we should leverage these into bigger conversations with minority communities about how to deal with the larger structural problems. For example, many blacks are complaining about policies like "stop and frisk" but likewise want high crime in their neighborhoods addressed; so it not stop and frisk what would their preferred approach to taking on crime be? Or are current approaches to social welfare being helpful, harmful, or inconsequential to minority quality of life in aggregate and what alternative approaches could be used?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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For example, many blacks are complaining about policies like "stop and frisk" but likewise want high crime in their neighborhoods addressed; so it not stop and frisk what would their preferred approach to taking on crime be?
Well shit, maybe they'd prefer it to be approached the same way other racial groups get handled. When was the last time you saw a white dude get stopped and frisked because they were trying to crack down on the local KKK chapter? Oh right, they don't, they just investigate the organization and arrest the appropriate people.

But hey, I'm sure it's actually the social group's fault they're being accosted, due to them not teaching the police force how to properly address crime in the area.
 

umbrella39

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... The new P&N effect: the longer a thread goes the further the StormFront comes out of some folks keyboards...
 

HomerJS

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Well shit, maybe they'd prefer it to be approached the same way other racial groups get handled. When was the last time you saw a white dude get stopped and frisked because they were trying to crack down on the local KKK chapter? Oh right, they don't, they just investigate the organization and arrest the appropriate people.

But hey, I'm sure it's actually the social group's fault they're being accosted, due to them not teaching the police force how to properly address crime in the area.
I don't understand why its so hard for him to understand that simple premise.

I never intended for this thread to get into a larger discussion because OP would get lost in the real larger discussion of the original sin and racism. Criminalizing EWB is a subset of the larger issue and deserves it's own discussion.

Equal treatment is such a simple concept but why so many people fail to grasp?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I don't understand why its so hard for him to understand that simple premise.

I never intended for this thread to get into a larger discussion because OP would get lost in the real larger discussion of the original sin and racism. Criminalizing EWB is a subset of the larger issue and deserves it's own discussion.

Equal treatment is such a simple concept but why so many people fail to grasp?
Usually people 'within' a space they see as good, appropriate, whatever, see people 'without' to be doing something wrong to cause them to end up in that position. After all, their inaction got them in a good place (not realizing it's actually their skin color that got them 95% there), so it has to be the 'action' of another that got them into a terrible place. This is what brings out the thinly-veiled racism in 'if they just didn't commit crime so much, they wouldn't get arrested'.
 
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glenn1

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I don't understand why its so hard for him to understand that simple premise.

I never intended for this thread to get into a larger discussion because OP would get lost in the real larger discussion of the original sin and racism. Criminalizing EWB is a subset of the larger issue and deserves it's own discussion.

Equal treatment is such a simple concept but why so many people fail to grasp?

OK that's my fault then for not understanding you wanted to limit this thread to only outrage for a single incident rather than the "yet another..." your title seemed to be implying.
 

HomerJS

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Trooper fail. Once trooper found out what they were doing he should have thanked them for their community service and stayed there with his lights on for safety reasons while they were picking up the trash.
Black people again being forced to justify their existence. Same request cop had of Yale grad student.

This is why racist white people were so eager to believe Trump's birtherism. Oh, he's one of those black people so he can't possibly belong here so show me your papers boy

Oh here's a theory, maybe the cop thought bunch of black people on roadside, they must be an escaped chain gang.
 
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HomerJS

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Yet another incident. When you read the story it starts out ok. Neighbor approaches man asks what he is doing, which is fine and then...

On May 5, African-American real estate investor Michael Hayes was inspecting a house he's interested in buying in a Memphis neighborhood.

He was pulling a board off the boarded-up home's front down when a woman next door came outside. Hayes said he waved to her. The woman, who is white, asked him what he was doing. He pointed to the sign he had placed in the front yard.

"I told her that I had a contract and that I was an investor," Hayes, who wanted to get inside the house to take pictures, told CNN. "But she wasn't listening to that. She didn't want to hear it."

She said he had no right to be in her neighborhood and should leave, Hayes said. Then she called the police.


However this time police show up and situation is handled properly
The police show up
At this point Hayes, who often records his activities as a real estate investor for his YouTube channel, pulled out his smartphone and started recording.

He was rolling when a squad car from the Memphis Police Department rolled up. The video shows Hayes explaining why he was at the home to a Memphis police officer.

The officer, soon joined by a second officer, seems to be convinced that Hayes has done nothing wrong and tells him that if he has anymore problems with the woman to call him back over to the house "and she will go to jail today."

The officer then walks over to the woman's yard and talks to her, warning her to leave Hayes alone.

Shout out the the MPD
 

HomerJS

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and the MAGA inspired hits just keep coming from the GOP

South Dakota lawmaker: Let businesses 'turn away people of color,' later apologizes
Clark's initial comment came in response to the U.S. Supreme Court's narrow decision Monday siding with a Colorado baker that refused to make a cake for a same-sex couple's wedding.

"He should have the opportunity to run his business the way he wants," Clark wrote. "If he wants to turn away people of color, then that('s) his choice."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-color-later-apologizes/ar-AAyhmlJ?ocid=ientp
 
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