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Leeea

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But killing someone is because you "feel" threatened? Especially when you have the opportunity to retreat?
yep.

If they fire warning shots, they clearly used lethal force ( discharged a firearm ), but did not feel the use of lethal force was necessary. Same reason brandishing a gun is a not a good idea.

There is a reason the police do not fire warning shots. Bullets are for whom it concerns sorts of projectiles.

You may not agree, but the moment a person possesses a firearm, they better know the law.

As for stand your ground, I think it is profoundly stupid. Duty to retreat/de-escalate was always part of the law, and removing that is ... moronic.
 
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Moonbeam

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yep.

If they fire warning shots, they clearly used lethal force ( discharged a firearm ), but did not feel the use of lethal force was necessary. Same reason brandishing a gun is a not a good idea.

There is a reason the police do not fire warning shots. Bullets are for whom it concerns sorts of projectiles.

You may not agree, but the moment a person possesses a firearm, they better know the law.

As for stand your ground, I think it is profoundly stupid. Duty to retreat/de-escalate was always part of the law, and removing that is ... moronic.
Of course if a person were either brave or foolish enough to stand their ground against someone so deranged he or she might kill anybody at any time, wouldn't that be better than running away and leaving somebody else as the ultimate target?

Naturally, the best place for someone who will happily kill innocent people is prison, but wouldn't second best be killed in such an attempt? Don't we say we execute people as a deterrent? Why would killing somebody in the act of trying to kill somebody not amount to the same thing. I am fairly sure that many many murders are committed by people who fancy they themselves will survive.
 

Leeea

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Of course if a person were either brave or foolish enough to stand their ground against someone so deranged he or she might kill anybody at any time, wouldn't that be better than running away and leaving somebody else as the ultimate target?
Speculation on a persons future behavior is immoral in this context. Said person could also cease being a threat. It is far more likely the person is not "deranged", and the person who provoked such behavior will end it by removing themselves.

The correct action would be to call emergency services and perhaps try to warn people to avoid the area.

Naturally, the best place for someone who will happily kill innocent people is prison, but wouldn't second best be killed in such an attempt?
No. It would be best if no one was killed and said person was reformed to function in society.

Don't we say we execute people as a deterrent?
A disturbing practice where the US frequently executes innocent people.

Why would killing somebody in the act of trying to kill somebody not amount to the same thing.
3rd party intervention was always decided the same as first.

Did the third party instigate the incident? Did they attempt to de-escalate/retreat? Were they capable of doing so? Were they capable of presenting a threat to the person doing the murdering? -> Can the person using violence claim self defense themselves?

Violence is rarely a one sided thing.


I am fairly sure that many many murders are committed by people who fancy they themselves will survive.
I think most are committed by people who just become to angry to care what happens after.
 
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Moonbeam

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Speculation on a persons future behavior is immoral in this context. Said person could also cease being a threat. It is far more likely the person is not "deranged", and the person who provoked such behavior will end it by removing themselves.
Speculation on a person’s future behavior in many contexts is indeed immoral but the the judgement as to the imminent behavior of a person threatening deadly force to oneself or others can have just a short window of opportunity to prevent. As I said, if a person were brave or foolish enough and had the means to use deadly force to prevent it being used against one’s self or others successfully, the porson will still be subject to the scrutiny of the law.

You can’t go shoot somebody say yelling at their dog but what about if you have just witnessed somebody dropping random bodies at a mall?
The correct action would be to call emergency services and perhaps try to warn people to avoid the area.
That would be fine if you were neither brave or foolish enough and or lacked the means to respond. But if you indeed had the ability and means to respond and did not, you would have to live with your conscience.

And remember that when you call the police you are calling for someone who is officially sanctioned and empowered to ido the killing for you based on their own judgment.
No. It would be best if no one was killed and said person was reformed to function in society.
Certainly so, however, by acting out against innocent people with an imminent intention to kill them, one forfeits that consideration in my opinion.
A disturbing practice where the US frequently executes innocent people.
We do not disagree, but it is what passes as qualified judgment as to how to reduce crime.
3rd party intervention was always decided the same as first.

Did the third party instigate the incident? Did they attempt to de-escalate/retreat? Were they capable of doing so? Were they capable of presenting a threat to the person doing the murdering? -> Can the person using violence claim self defense themselves?

Violence is rarely a one sided thing.
Again I do not disagree. There are many questions one can ask. Why did someone concealed carrying hide behind a table in the cafeteria while thirty people were executed when the shooter was 10 feet away?
I think most are committed by people who just become to angry to care what happens after.
Yes, and as I said when that anger turns into imminent deadly threat where someone else is brave or foolish enough and has a means to end it, it is morally justified to do so all the way up to taking a life if that is the only way.

It is really very simple. If one is threatening to kill another and the evidence of that is clear and it can only be prevented by you killing one or the other of them, which will it be. Nobody can make moral judgments of people’s future actions, but I hope that were I ever faced with such a situation I would be brave or foolish enough to act. I would not want to live with the knowledge that an innocent person died because I did nothing and could have acted.
 

HomerJS

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yep.

If they fire warning shots, they clearly used lethal force ( discharged a firearm ), but did not feel the use of lethal force was necessary. Same reason brandishing a gun is a not a good idea.

There is a reason the police do not fire warning shots. Bullets are for whom it concerns sorts of projectiles.

You may not agree, but the moment a person possesses a firearm, they better know the law.

As for stand your ground, I think it is profoundly stupid. Duty to retreat/de-escalate was always part of the law, and removing that is ... moronic.
Think that law is equally applied equally between white people and black people?
 

nakedfrog

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Biden establishes national monument at site of 1908 Springfield, Ill., race riot

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Latest search for 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre victims ends with 3 more found with gunshot wounds

ABC|13 hours ago
Investigators say the latest search for the remains of 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre victims has ended with three more containing visible gunshot wounds

Kam needs to go to Tulsa and meet with the lone survivor.

There's another one over east ... Virginia? One of the Carolinas? One of the first incidents ... a grocery store, or maybe a bowling alley ??? I remember reading about it but can't remember where.
Are you thinking of this one, or maybe another incident?

 

Leeea

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Think that law is equally applied equally between white people and black people?
The law is applied equality between all people. Look at officer Earl over there, he is completely fair. He has been doing this job for 50 years, and never failed to uphold this principle. How could you imply anything differently?

I have included a handy chart to help you better understand this:
 
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HomerJS

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The law is applied equality between all people. Look at officer Earl over there, he is completely fair. He has been doing this job for 50 years, and never failed to uphold this principle. How could you imply anything differently?

I have included a handy chart to help you better understand this:
View attachment 105790
well played, sir
 

Zorba

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Tyreek Hill was cuffed on his way to his NFL game this weekend. I'll be interested to see if any more details come out. I know Hill has committed domestic violence in the past.

 

JD50

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I read that he was going over 100mph in a 35mph zone, weaving in and out of traffic. He has a history of being a POS so I'm guessing it was warranted this time, and he probably got preferential treatment.
 

Zorba

Lifer
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I read that he was going over 100mph in a 35mph zone, weaving in and out of traffic. He has a history of being a POS so I'm guessing it was warranted this time, and he probably got preferential treatment.
Yeah, I read that on Reddit, hadn't seen an actual source for it though.
 

DarthKyrie

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I think Tyreek was late to arrive to the game which would explain his speed, fans were already in the stadium from what I read.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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Have to think that if that were true, he'd have been kept a wee bit longer than what he was. That's a speed that'll get you in front of a judge.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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I read that he was going over 100mph in a 35mph zone, weaving in and out of traffic. He has a history of being a POS so I'm guessing it was warranted this time, and he probably got preferential treatment.
It was 65 in a 40
 
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