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DJFuji

Diamond Member
Oct 18, 1999
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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Wow, DJFuji, that's an impressive post... usually there isn't much advice to cure the general YAGT's around here :shocked:

sounds like he got it from a book though.


my problem is that i have nothing to talk about, at least nothing a girl (hell, most people) would be interested in. its that way with my friends or people i hang out with at work.

for example, i regularly go to lunch with 3 women from work. They're the only ones who invite me along to lunch. the male coworkers never ask me to go along, even the ones i talk to regularly. anyway, back to the point. so we have lunch together but I mainly just sit and listen. i rarely have anything to add to the conversation.

I'm sure that there are books containing similar advice to what i've posted, but if youre wondering, no i didnt just copy that from the nearest self help/relationships book. The problem with most of these books is that they're written by a PhD who has no real world experience doing what he preaches. It's the same problem as asking for advice here. 99% of the people doling out advice are unqualified to give it. "Just say hi" is a lot easier to say than to actually do. I approach hundreds of women per year and although it does get easier, that paralyzing sense of fear and anxiety never goes away completely. That feeling you get in your gut when you see a hot girl that you want to talk to...you just have to barrel through it and know that the world won't end no matter what happens.

"Not having anything to say" is generally only a problem because you have not learned to demonstrate your personality. Do you have friends? Do they like you? Are you funny and fun and spontaneous around them? If so, it means you have a personality, you just freeze up around strangers. If not, it means you have to develop one. In either case, you also have to learn how to display it. It's like being in sales and not knowing how to sell your product. Not know what its strong points are or why someone would want to buy it. You're selling yourself, and the skills to do that are the same.

Pontifex you probably knew the elevator hack i described in my first post. Assuming you're not an anti social hermit, you probably know a LOT of interesting things. You just don't realize that other people might find it interesting. Try this: Take a few minutes each day and write down interesting things you know or that have happened to you. On my google custom homepage i have the "interesting thing of the day" that i read every morning. Keep up with the news. Take note of the things that you tell your friends which they find intriguing. The next time you're in a social environment (like say, at lunch with coworkers), bring those topics up (assuming theyre work safe). Tell them the story about how your brother fell in the lake when you were fishing over the weekend. Or tell them about what you want to do. Maybe you want to backpack across Europe. Or learn to scuba dive. Maybe you're taking salsa lessons and your dancing partner keeps stepping on your toes. Or in my case, she's an older woman who tries to hook me up with the other girls in the class but she's hilariously blatant about it even though she tries to be slick. Whatever. Half of the battle to being social is just learning to talk, talk, talk.

Have you noticed that i write long posts? Because i can talk to anyone about anything. I'm not naturally social. I forced myself to learn how to talk, to socialize. It's an invaluable skill that will come back to you in spades. I met Randy Fry (owner/founder of Fry's Electronics) in San Diego a few months back by starting up a random conversation with an older guy in a bar. Had no idea who he was until we exchanged business cards. He told me to give him a ring if i ever need anything. Amazing networking opportunity that wouldnt have happened had i not been social. Sure, it sucks at first. You talk to people but youre nervous and they give you weird looks or whatever. But who cares? You'll never see them again. You're doing this for your personal benefit, not because you want their validation. So talk to people. Everyone. Guys, girls, the elderly, everyone. Social skills are basically the same whether you're chatting up a lingerie model or a grandpa at the DMV. One year from now you'll look back on your old anti social self and barely recognize him. That's a good thing. Self improvement is a continual process.
 

DaShen

Lifer
Dec 1, 2000
10,710
1
0
Originally posted by: DJFuji
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Wow, DJFuji, that's an impressive post... usually there isn't much advice to cure the general YAGT's around here :shocked:

sounds like he got it from a book though.


my problem is that i have nothing to talk about, at least nothing a girl (hell, most people) would be interested in. its that way with my friends or people i hang out with at work.

for example, i regularly go to lunch with 3 women from work. They're the only ones who invite me along to lunch. the male coworkers never ask me to go along, even the ones i talk to regularly. anyway, back to the point. so we have lunch together but I mainly just sit and listen. i rarely have anything to add to the conversation.

I'm sure that there are books containing similar advice to what i've posted, but if youre wondering, no i didnt just copy that from the nearest self help/relationships book. The problem with most of these books is that they're written by a PhD who has no real world experience doing what he preaches. It's the same problem as asking for advice here. 99% of the people doling out advice are unqualified to give it. "Just say hi" is a lot easier to say than to actually do. I approach hundreds of women per year and although it does get easier, that paralyzing sense of fear and anxiety never goes away completely. That feeling you get in your gut when you see a hot girl that you want to talk to...you just have to barrel through it and know that the world won't end no matter what happens.

"Not having anything to say" is generally only a problem because you have not learned to demonstrate your personality. Do you have friends? Do they like you? Are you funny and fun and spontaneous around them? If so, it means you have a personality, you just freeze up around strangers. If not, it means you have to develop one. In either case, you also have to learn how to display it. It's like being in sales and not knowing how to sell your product. Not know what its strong points are or why someone would want to buy it. You're selling yourself, and the skills to do that are the same.

Pontifex you probably knew the elevator hack i described in my first post. Assuming you're not an anti social hermit, you probably know a LOT of interesting things. You just don't realize that other people might find it interesting. Try this: Take a few minutes each day and write down interesting things you know or that have happened to you. On my google custom homepage i have the "interesting thing of the day" that i read every morning. Keep up with the news. Take note of the things that you tell your friends which they find intriguing. The next time you're in a social environment (like say, at lunch with coworkers), bring those topics up (assuming theyre work safe). Tell them the story about how your brother fell in the lake when you were fishing over the weekend. Or tell them about what you want to do. Maybe you want to backpack across Europe. Or learn to scuba dive. Maybe you're taking salsa lessons and your dancing partner keeps stepping on your toes. Or in my case, she's an older woman who tries to hook me up with the other girls in the class but she's hilariously blatant about it even though she tries to be slick. Whatever. Half of the battle to being social is just learning to talk, talk, talk.

Have you noticed that i write long posts? Because i can talk to anyone about anything. I'm not naturally social. I forced myself to learn how to talk, to socialize. It's an invaluable skill that will come back to you in spades. I met Randy Fry (owner/founder of Fry's Electronics) in San Diego a few months back by starting up a random conversation with an older guy in a bar. Had no idea who he was until we exchanged business cards. He told me to give him a ring if i ever need anything. Amazing networking opportunity that wouldnt have happened had i not been social. Sure, it sucks at first. You talk to people but youre nervous and they give you weird looks or whatever. But who cares? You'll never see them again. You're doing this for your personal benefit, not because you want their validation. So talk to people. Everyone. Guys, girls, the elderly, everyone. Social skills are basically the same whether you're chatting up a lingerie model or a grandpa at the DMV. One year from now you'll look back on your old anti social self and barely recognize him. That's a good thing. Self improvement is a continual process.

I am the same way.

To the OP, I suggest you go to a speech club like Toastmasters. It will really help your social skills. Also, make a conscious effort to try to talk to peopl ein athe elevator or on the bus. (What is stopping you?) If they don't want to talke or are rude, you will never see them again, but if the are congenial then you will have learned some new social skills. Learn to small talk about stupid stuff and ask good questions (meaning you have to learn to listen), everything else is about presenting your personalty in a way that isn't intrusive. Hope you do well, OP.
 

Aquaman

Lifer
Dec 17, 1999
25,054
13
0
Stolen from Brutuskend Thread.

1) Did you fart?
cuz you blew me away.

2) Are yer parents retarded?
cuz ya sure are special.

3) My Love fer you is like diarrhea
I can't hold it in.

4) Do you have a library card?
cuz I'd like to sign you out.

5) Is there a mirror in yer pants?
cuz I can see myself in em.

6) If you in I were Squirrels,
I'd store my nuts in yer hole.

7) You might not be the best lookin girl here,
but beauty's only a light switch away.

8) Man - "Fat Penguin!"
Woman - "WHAT?"
Man - "I just wanted to say something that would break the ice."

9) I know I'm not no Fred Flintstone,
but I bet I can make yer bed-rock.

10) I can't find my puppy, can you help me find him?
I think he went inta this cheap motel room.

11) Yer eyes are as blue as window cleaner.

12) If yer gunna regret this in the mornin,
we kin sleep til afternoon.

and.... the best for last!

13) Yer face reminds me of a wrench,
every time I think of it my nuts tighten up.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

pontifex

Lifer
Dec 5, 2000
43,804
46
91
Originally posted by: Aquaman
Stolen from Brutuskend Thread.

1) Did you fart?
cuz you blew me away.

2) Are yer parents retarded?
cuz ya sure are special.

3) My Love fer you is like diarrhea
I can't hold it in.

4) Do you have a library card?
cuz I'd like to sign you out.

5) Is there a mirror in yer pants?
cuz I can see myself in em.

6) If you in I were Squirrels,
I'd store my nuts in yer hole.

7) You might not be the best lookin girl here,
but beauty's only a light switch away.

8) Man - "Fat Penguin!"
Woman - "WHAT?"
Man - "I just wanted to say something that would break the ice."

9) I know I'm not no Fred Flintstone,
but I bet I can make yer bed-rock.

10) I can't find my puppy, can you help me find him?
I think he went inta this cheap motel room.

11) Yer eyes are as blue as window cleaner.

12) If yer gunna regret this in the mornin,
we kin sleep til afternoon.

and.... the best for last!

13) Yer face reminds me of a wrench,
every time I think of it my nuts tighten up.

Cheers,
Aquaman

haha, some good ones in there
 

thehstrybean

Diamond Member
Oct 25, 2004
5,727
1
0
Originally posted by: DJFuji
i was contemplating posting that as a new thread because it's kind of universal to YAGT topics but that seemed rather presumptuous for me to assume. I'll repost as a new thread if you guys think it might be handy.

You're the man...very nice...
 

thehstrybean

Diamond Member
Oct 25, 2004
5,727
1
0
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: spidey07
Answer to all YAGT as I am now 35 years old.

1) You have no idea how many women thought you were the shiznit, but because you didn't do anything you got nothing.

2) They don't fall into your lap. You have to initiate and act first...sorry dude, that's the way it is. Do something.

3) Hi, wanna go out? goes a long way.

#1 and #2 really irk me. if a girl likes me, why the fvck can't she say so? why do i have to be the one to try and figure out that she likes me? i'm tired of the "the guy has to initiate everthing" thing. this is 2007 AD, not 2007 BC for fvck's sake.

Hey man, it's all classical...women don't like chivalry all the time, but they still thing that guys should start the conversation...go figure...
 
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